Paizo and SmiteWorks sign an agreement for official Pathfinder support!

[damned]

I disagree. He was quite clear about the cost of the fantasy grounds content not any additional cost that would be levied by Paizo mandating ownership of the .pdf.

Doug did say that at this time - without going into any contract or negotiation specifics - SmiteWorks sell here and on Steam and they cannot attach conditions or additional systems checks to that purchase so the price is the price and there are no additional conditions. As another posted pointed out the Realmworks pricing looks to be a little lower that MSRP so there is not as much difference as some people might be thinking.

[Galymyr]

Doug did say that at this time - without going into any contract or negotiation specifics - SmiteWorks sell here and on Steam and they cannot attach conditions or additional systems checks to that purchase so the price is the price and there are no additional conditions. As another posted pointed out the Realmworks pricing looks to be a little lower that MSRP so there is not as much difference as some people might be thinking.

The RW cost is below MSRP because you're not buying the content you're buying the effort for the data entry. In addition to the data entry effort you also must purchase the official .pdf. So are you saying that when we pay MSRP for Rise of the Runelords Aniversary Edition in the FG store that the content and the FG data entry are both included in that MSRP?

[damned]

The RW cost is below MSRP because you're not buying the content you're buying the effort for the data entry. In addition to the data entry effort you also must purchase the official .pdf. So are you saying that when we pay MSRP for Rise of the Runelords Aniversary Edition in the FG store that the content and the FG data entry are both included in that MSRP?

Thats how the 5e and Call of Cthulhu and Savage Worlds rulesets work.
The content supplied in the FG product is the same content as the physical or PDF products but in FG format and only usable in FG.

[Galymyr]

Thats how the 5e and Call of Cthulhu and Savage Worlds rulesets work.
The content supplied in the FG product is the same content as the physical or PDF products but in FG format and only usable in FG.

Wonderful! Thank you! Now, call Paizo and tell them to hurry up with the review.

[ddavison]

There will not be any requirement for a check on whether or not you own the PDF.

The unknown portion is whether or not you will get a discounted price for the FG version if you buy it directly from the Paizo website and already own the PDF.

[Galymyr]

There will not be any requirement for a check on whether or not you own the PDF.

The unknown portion is whether or not you will get a discounted price for the FG version if you buy it directly from the Paizo website and already own the PDF.

Wait, that's exactly what I said was going to happen. If I own the Paizo .pdf then I only pay for the FG data entry effort, that's the discount you mentioned. If I don't own the .pdf then I pay full MSRP, and from what I read elsewhere is the print edition MSRP not the .pdf MSRP. Which makes sense because it would need to include both costs.

[JohnD]

Personally, I'm not seeing the reason for the gnashing of teeth here.

RW is not FG. Whatever contractual agreement that was negotiated between them and Paizo only relates to RW.

Continuing discussion *here* of RW/Paizo pricing is IMO not just in the wrong area, it's on the completely wrong website and can/will only lead to confusion about FG's soon to be offered Paizo products for FG.

It is interesting to know the results of the RW/Paizo contract regarding pricing structure because it informs a potential consumer about the on-line strategy that Paizo is obviously working under. But that really only means something to FG if their contract is exactly the same, which is extremely unlikely (but not impossible).

Doug has always in my experience been a straight shooter with the FG community in as much as he can without telling us things that we have no business in knowing about his business.

This is really no different than people complaining about the pricing structure of the 5e content and blaming FG for it: WotC sets constraints for 5e and Paizo sets constraints on their IP. If Paizo said you could only buy their content if you paid in cans of lima beans and had to be wearing clown shoes and a WWII German helmet, well those would be the conditions of sale. FG Pathfinder players, if they don't like the pricing presented to them on Steam and in the FG store, can choose to continue on like they have to now, and not worry about the clown shoes and finding a helmet.

Likely Paizo sees a difference in how their content can be accessed, used and potentially disseminated out into the world on RW and how the same questions are answered on FG.

[Vhok]

I don't care what it costs buying cruse of the crimson throne soon as it comes out. my group already made characters, can't wait to start!!!

[swbuza]

Kinda the same, but Rise of the Runelords and I'm two sessions into it, hoping for a released version that'll save me a bunch of time before too many more sessions.

[AstaSyneri]

We'll just have to wait and see. IMHO it would be smart for Paizo to set their FG prizes along the lines of their PDFs - players would still want many of the PDFs - they are just better to read and much prettier in their layouts ;-).

But then it would me much smarter for us to take this discussion to the Paizo forums, wouldn't it? ;-) We might give them something to think about.