Paizo and SmiteWorks sign an agreement for official Pathfinder support!

[Trenloe]

For those skimming this thread - all of this "$&%^ hitting the fan" talk is not to do with Fantasy Grounds agreement with Paizo - it is to do with Lone Wolf Publishing's own, very separate agreement. For further details, and more informed discussion about their products, please go to the LWP forums (links in post #119 and #120 in this thread).

Please can we keep this thread limited to discussions directly related to the agreement Smiteworks have with Paizo, which is quite different to Lone Wolf's separate agreement with Paizo. We don't want any confusion creeping in as to the Fantasy Grounds agreement (which I am seeing already). Thanks.

[Toblakai]

Yeah, I own the dead tree Core Rulebook and a couple others. I have no use for buying a PDF I'll never use just so I can have permission to buy (for the same price, hey double dipping!) the FG conversion of that same book. These big companies just can't seem to get it right. Wizards refuse to make PDFs because people who will never be their customers might pirate them so let's punish the people who'd rather have a legal PDF. Now Paizo makes you pay twice. Awesome...

It's not really paying twice, the cost of the RW package + PDF will be pretty close to the MSRP price.
So the difference between FG and RW for Dragon's Demand:

FG: 24.99 (MSRP)
RW: 27.98 if PDF is not already owned
RW: 9.99 if PDF is already owned

So for FG if you have already bought the PDF, you really are paying twice.

[Bidmaron]

Toblaki, welcome to the forums! We are a friendly lot. If you need any help getting started, these boards are a great resource. What version of FG did you buy and what ruleset are you interested in?

[Galymyr]

Fantasy Grounds licensed content for Pathfinder will be sold on Steam and on the Fantasy Grounds site at a fixed cost per item. As far as I can tell, the costs will be the MSRP print price. There might be an option at some point to buy from the Paizo store at a slight discount if you already own the print or PDF product there.

Thanks for the info ddavison. You say "as far as I can tell" which doesn't sound firm to me. Here's what I posted over on the Lone Wolf Forum. Would appreciate your thoughts.

In the same news release Paizo announced that they had granteD a license to both Fantasy Grounds and D20Pro. In the news release on DA20Pro they talked about Paizo developing the back end services to support PDF validation and synchronization between platforms. I seriously doubt Fantasy Grounds got different license terms than LWD and D20Pro.

[ddavison]

Final prices for all FG products are at the discretion of the publisher. We sell through our site and on Steam and that precludes us from being able to do any thirdparty integration that sets the price. The price can only be "X" for us.

[Talyn]

Final prices for all FG products are at the discretion of the publisher. We sell through our site and on Steam and that precludes us from being able to do any thirdparty integration that sets the price. The price can only be "X" for us.

I don't think the price of the FG version is the (potential) uproar, it's whether or not we're going to have to buy the PDFs from Paizo first before we're "allowed" to buy/use the FG content, which is what's being stated from the developers on the other product's sites.

[Galymyr]

I don't think the price of the FG version is the (potential) uproar, it's whether or not we're going to have to buy the PDFs from Paizo first before we're "allowed" to buy/use the FG content, which is what's being stated from the developers on the other product's sites.

This right here is the absolute crux of issue.

[LindseyFan]

This right here is the absolute crux of issue.

Actually I think Doug was quite clear that this isn't a current worry for this community.

[Galymyr]

Actually I think Doug was quite clear that this isn't a current worry for this community.

I disagree. He was quite clear about the cost of the fantasy grounds content not any additional cost that would be levied by Paizo mandating ownership of the .pdf.

[LindseyFan]

I disagree. He was quite clear about the cost of the fantasy grounds content not any additional cost that would be levied by Paizo mandating ownership of the .pdf.

I disagree back. :P See the rest of the moderators' statements as well.