Pathfinder Second Edition - PFRPG2 Ruleset - Status, issues and ongoing development

I was aware of the modifier window, for the multi attack penalties, I was merely suggesting the implementation of something more streamlined like the buttons that players get on their sheets. It’s all crazy and new and I know you guys are doing your best! :D

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Originally Posted by Headhuntergaming

I was aware of the modifier window, for the multi attack penalties, I was merely suggesting the implementation of something more streamlined like the buttons that players get on their sheets. It’s all crazy and new and I know you guys are doing your best! :D

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It's a good idea. Something for way down the line when I look at tracking actions... In the meantime the modifier buttons are the way to go.

The effects are missing a bonus type, status. It seems to be fairly common with spells.

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Originally Posted by rickyhunt

The effects are missing a bonus type, status. It seems to be fairly common with spells.

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Thanks for reporting.

Has been reported before and logged as RS2.011 - it is fixed in the next release.

Sorry to interrupt all the great bug reporting with a stupid question, but I'm a little confused on what the difference is between the (free) ruleset and the ($60) Core Rulebook? Is it possible to play the game with just the free ruleset? What does the CRB add to that experience? Is it better reference to the rules or is it more implementation which isn't present in the ruleset?

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Originally Posted by bmanula

Sorry to interrupt all the great bug reporting with a stupid question, but I'm a little confused on what the difference is between the (free) ruleset and the ($60) Core Rulebook? Is it possible to play the game with just the free ruleset? What does the CRB add to that experience? Is it better reference to the rules or is it more implementation which isn't present in the ruleset?

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The ruleset is all the coding under the hood that lets FG know what actions and dice rolls are supposed to do. The CRB is the reference material (here are the classes, the races, the ancestries, the feats, spells, items, etc.) you'd build your characters and NPCs with. There is no SRD yet for the PFRPG2 ruleset yet (estimated six months before they arrive) so of course you can play for "free" — you'd be spending the time to input all that data yourself (pro tip: just input the little bits you actually need to play right away then slowly add the rest as you go along) vs. spending the money where someone already did the work for you (and as features get added to the ruleset, the CRB will be updated for free to support those new features).

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Originally Posted by Talyn

The ruleset is all the coding under the hood that lets FG know what actions and dice rolls are supposed to do. The CRB is the reference material (here are the classes, the races, the ancestries, the feats, spells, items, etc.) you'd build your characters and NPCs with. There is no SRD yet for the PFRPG2 ruleset yet (estimated six months before they arrive) so of course you can play for "free" — you'd be spending the time to input all that data yourself (pro tip: just input the little bits you actually need to play right away then slowly add the rest as you go along) vs. spending the money where someone already did the work for you (and as features get added to the ruleset, the CRB will be updated for free to support those new features).

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The SRD is live already

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Originally Posted by hawkwind

The SRD is live already

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The base SRD is live. But this data has not been converted for FG yet, and won't be for at least 6 months, which is what Talyn was referring to.

@bmanula Welcome to the FG forums!

There's further discussion regarding the content of the Core Rules, and whether you can get along without it, here: https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...-Pathfinder-2E

So, playing around with attack rolls in the system, I noticed that it is set that rolling a 20 is a critical and rolling a 1 is an automatic miss. You might already have plans for this and know about it, but just in case I wanted to point out that in PF2E, a roll of 20 or a roll of 1 just raises or lowers the success by a step and isn't necessarily a critical hit or critical failure.

20 can still miss the target or be merely a regular success rather than a crit depending on where the roll result is compared to their AC, while a 1 could actually still be a hit if say you rolled 10 over their AC, but it just turns the critical you would have gotten into a regular success.

Pg. 445 in the CRB, under Determine the degree of success and effect if you need to look it up at all. :)

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Originally Posted by DevilDraco

So, playing around with attack rolls in the system, I noticed that it is set that rolling a 20 is a critical and rolling a 1 is an automatic miss. You might already have plans for this and know about it, but just in case I wanted to point out that in PF2E, a roll of 20 or a roll of 1 just raises or lowers the success by a step and isn't necessarily a critical hit or critical failure.

20 can still miss the target or be merely a regular success rather than a crit depending on where the roll result is compared to their AC, while a 1 could actually still be a hit if say you rolled 10 over their AC, but it just turns the critical you would have gotten into a regular success.

Pg. 445 in the CRB, under Determine the degree of success and effect if you need to look it up at all. :)

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Thanks for reminding me, I had that in the back of my mind. Logged as RS2.024.

Release 2 if the ruleset is now live - perform an updated and you should see version v3.3.8 (PF2 release 2) in the chat window. See the issue list (linked in post #2) for details of what is included in the this release.

https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...chmentid=28309

So I was trying to figure out what some traits were not getting applied when it came to things like SAVE: effects. The Boggard Swampseer, for example, has the Terrifying Croak. It includes the trait fear. When this is put up against the Satyr's Sylvan Wine (effect SAVE: 3 will, item, fear), it rolled it's save with the +3 effect included. Beautiful!

However, when I cast the FEAR spell (also a Boggard ability), no luck. It would apply the +1 from Sylvan Wine (effect SAVE: 1 will, item), but not the +3. Hrm.

Long story short, I figured it out. When spells are dragged and dropped from the Spell Tab, they get there traits in ALL CAPS, with no commas as separators - and therein lies the problem. Those commas apparently are the key because when I added them to the Fear spell, the +3 vs fear trait worked and the saving throw was further enhanced.

Hopefully, you can fix it so that traits can be identified without the comma separator or that's a lot of spells to add commas to :p

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Originally Posted by ShadeRaven

So I was trying to figure out what some traits were not getting applied when it came to things like SAVE: effects. The Boggard Swampseer, for example, has the Terrifying Croak. It includes the trait fear. When this is put up against the Satyr's Sylvan Wine (effect SAVE: 3 will, item, fear), it rolled it's save with the +3 effect included. Beautiful!

However, when I cast the FEAR spell (also a Boggard ability), no luck. It would apply the +1 from Sylvan Wine (effect SAVE: 1 will, item), but not the +3. Hrm.

Long story short, I figured it out. When spells are dragged and dropped from the Spell Tab, they get there traits in ALL CAPS, with no commas as separators - and therein lies the problem. Those commas apparently are the key because when I added them to the Fear spell, the +3 vs fear trait worked and the saving throw was further enhanced.

Hopefully, you can fix it so that traits can be identified without the comma separator or that's a lot of spells to add commas to :p

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I think I'm going to have to change back to using commas, more based off that one "Sea Devil" trait you found than anything else. Until Paizo start using traits with commas... ;)

hello!!! or I am doing something wrong or striking weapons continue without adding extra damage
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Originally Posted by vyruxx

hello!!! or I am doing something wrong or striking weapons continue without adding extra damage
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You only added striking to the name from what I see. Drag another d6 to the damage to give the bonus it gets from striking.

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Originally Posted by vyruxx

hello!!! or I am doing something wrong or striking weapons continue without adding extra damage
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Add striking to the weapon properties before dragging to the PC sheet.

See the Items page in the Wiki -> User Guides -> PFRPG2 here: https://www.fantasygrounds.com/wiki/...PG2_Item_Sheet

If your weapon is already on the PC sheet then do as @kaernunnos mentions and manually add the extra damage dice.

Hey Trenloe, thanks for the update!

A few humble non-critical requests: To change the Lore and Perception skills on the Chargen for their respective lines on the Strings file. I've been working on the translation LPak for PF2, and the Chargen keeps trying to add "Lore" or "Perception", instead of the translated words. I've included where they are located at for your convenience, since I don't want to trouble you more than needed. And these are not critical, I know you have more stuff going on right now, but if you could log those to fix at some point I'd appreciate.

manager_background.lua

Lines, 111 and 140.
Swap "Lore" with Interface.getString("skill_value_lore")

manager_char.lua
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Swap "Perception" with Interface.getString("skill_value_perception")

Thanks a lot for all the effort!

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Originally Posted by Dr0W

Hey Trenloe, thanks for the update!

A few humble non-critical requests: To change the Lore and Perception skills on the Chargen for their respective lines on the Strings file. I've been working on the translation LPak for PF2, and the Chargen keeps trying to add "Lore" or "Perception", instead of the translated words. I've included where they are located at for your convenience, since I don't want to trouble you more than needed. And these are not critical, I know you have more stuff going on right now, but if you could log those to fix at some point I'd appreciate.

manager_background.lua

Lines, 111 and 140.
Swap "Lore" with Interface.getString("skill_value_lore")

manager_char.lua
Line, 2380.
Swap "Perception" with Interface.getString("skill_value_perception")

Thanks a lot for all the effort!

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I've made those changes (by the way, those files have changed today!). This should be in the update next week.

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Originally Posted by Trenloe

I've made those changes (by the way, those files have changed today!). This should be in the update next week.

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Thanks for the heads up, I've been watching them closely! I've already updated the strings and made a few updates to match the correct terms in portuguese. Little by little I want to add the automation to recognize as many expressions in portuguese as possible, and maybe have a talk with the company in charge of PF2e in Brazil, who knows if they might get in touch with Paizo and SmiteWorks to have the brazilian module sold on FG?

Either way, I know much of the ruleset is going to change in the near future so I'll go slowly and wait for most things to be in place before making those changes.

a very very very minor nit: the order of immunities, weaknesses and resistances on the NPC sheet does not match the bestiary. it offends my sensibilities ;-)

The Choral (Choir Angel) has a feature it its aura I am not sure if there's script/code to handle. Checked the Wiki, but didn't see anything immediately, but it's late, so let me know if I missed something.

" .. gain a +2 status bonus to sonic damage rolls .. take a -2 status penalty to sonic damage rolls .."

Right now, it looks like the best that I can do is to put a simple DMG: 2 single use type effect that has to be used any time a sonic power deals damage. Haven't really looked around to see how often this type of feature is used, but I could see it being applied from feats, etc., as well. They are definitely making a lot of use of traits and this just might be another little feature we may have to deal with.

Same mob, little bit of an oddity (Choral):

The ranged attack was giving this error:
Script Error: [string "scripts/manager_combat2.lua"]:1184: attempt to concatenate local 'sAttackType' (a nil value)

It starts out looking like this:
[one-action] piercing hymn +17 (good, magical, range 90 feet, sonic), Damage 4d6 sonic plus 1d6 good and deafening aria

After a bit of deconstruction, it was always when I added back in "and deafening aria" that the error popped up. Broke that down a little more, and the "and" was okay, but the error started with deafening. A little more trial and error resulted in literally anything I put after the "and" brought out the error. I changed it to "with" and it worked fine.

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Originally Posted by darrenan

a very very very minor nit: the order of immunities, weaknesses and resistances on the NPC sheet does not match the bestiary. it offends my sensibilities ;-)

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We can't have your sensibilities offended! :) Logged as RS2.025, fixed in the next release.

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Originally Posted by ShadeRaven

Same mob, little bit of an oddity (Choral):

The ranged attack was giving this error:
Script Error: [string "scripts/manager_combat2.lua"]:1184: attempt to concatenate local 'sAttackType' (a nil value)

It starts out looking like this:
[one-action] piercing hymn +17 (good, magical, range 90 feet, sonic), Damage 4d6 sonic plus 1d6 good and deafening aria

After a bit of deconstruction, it was always when I added back in "and deafening aria" that the error popped up. Broke that down a little more, and the "and" was okay, but the error started with deafening. A little more trial and error resulted in literally anything I put after the "and" brought out the error. I changed it to "with" and it worked fine.

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Logged as RS2.026. Fixed in the next release.

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Originally Posted by ShadeRaven

The Choral (Choir Angel) has a feature it its aura I am not sure if there's script/code to handle. Checked the Wiki, but didn't see anything immediately, but it's late, so let me know if I missed something.

" .. gain a +2 status bonus to sonic damage rolls .. take a -2 status penalty to sonic damage rolls .."

Right now, it looks like the best that I can do is to put a simple DMG: 2 single use type effect that has to be used any time a sonic power deals damage. Haven't really looked around to see how often this type of feature is used, but I could see it being applied from feats, etc., as well. They are definitely making a lot of use of traits and this just might be another little feature we may have to deal with.

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That's pretty complex and an edge case. I doubt I'll do anything to automate that any time soon. I'll look at it again if there turns out to be lots of abilities like this.

Speaking of sensibilities. RFRPG2 Ruleset is in the title of the thread?

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Originally Posted by madman

Speaking of sensibilities. RFRPG2 Ruleset is in the title of the thread?

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Wow, how didn't I notice that! Thanks!!!

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Originally Posted by Trenloe

For NPC multi-attack penalties use the modifier window:

https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...chmentid=28258

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I don't believe this takes into consideration agile for the creatures does it?

I would still advise anyone reading this to make your first attack against the target and then roll the next two in chat rather than using the modifier (using mental arithmetic). Otherwise it adds a good 5-10s to every turn multiple attacks are used.

I will make a hotkey modifier extension for interested parties though.

Edit: oops update fixed

How far down the list is automation of Persistent Damage that comes off of attack strings?

In doing all these creatures from the Bestiary, I've changed the ".. plus x persistent .." to " .. and .." then added a Spell Tab entry to apply it there. Certainly works for the time being. Just curious if it's on the horizon and I should be prepared to fix all those attack strings.

To be clear, I am overjoyed at all the automation and work going into this already! What can I say, I am a curious cat :p

Hello... In the CT when the player's life goes down, it ends below zero and in PF2 it can never go below 0.

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Originally Posted by lostsanityreturned

I don't believe this takes into consideration agile for the creatures does it?

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Absolutely it does. If the the agile trait is in the attack entry it applies -4 (Multi Atk #2) or -8 (Multi Atk #3)

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Originally Posted by lostsanityreturned

I would still advise anyone reading this to make your first attack against the target and then roll the next two in chat rather than using the modifier (using mental arithmetic). Otherwise it adds a good 5-10s to every turn multiple attacks are used.

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It's a small window, keep it open in the bottom left or wherever is handy (next to the CT if you're rolling from the CT). It takes me 1 second per attack (not 5-10 seconds per turn) to apply a multi-attack penalty before rolling. But, hey, if you don't like clicking buttons then do whatever works for you. :)

Like I have said previously - I will be looking at action automation sometime down the road. At which point there will be better/easier to use functionality for multi-attack penalties. In the meantime, use the buttons in the modifier window or calculate it manually - whichever you find better for your gaming style.

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Originally Posted by ShadeRaven

How far down the list is automation of Persistent Damage that comes off of attack strings?

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Somewhere down the road.

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Originally Posted by ShadeRaven

Just curious if it's on the horizon and I should be prepared to fix all those attack strings.

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Depends how far away the horizon is... ;)

Sorry, but I'm not sure and I'm not going to commit to anything at this point.

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Originally Posted by vyruxx

Hello... In the CT when the player's life goes down, it ends below zero and in PF2 it can never go below 0.

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Yep, death/dying/wounded have not been automated yet. See "Future Features" in post #3.

Just started my first game tonight and rolled for initiative with the combat tracker menu and players with +6 or higher inits are rolling a 2 init.

Giving the party a short rest didn't reset focus spell points. Just discovered that it requires 2 short rests to equal a 10 minute PF2 short rest. The wizard has a spell class for focus spells that was just created when the character was created. The cleric has 2 focus spells, but doesn't have a focus spell class and I can't find a way to create one manually. I can only choose between prepared and spontaneous if I make a new blank spell class.

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Originally Posted by rickyhunt

Just started my first game tonight and rolled for initiative with the combat tracker menu and players with +6 or higher inits are rolling a 2 init.

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Get the players to roll their initiative themselves from the main page of the character sheet. I haven't implemented PC initiative rolls directly in the CT yet.

More info here: https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...ive#post447382

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Originally Posted by rickyhunt

Giving the party a short rest didn't reset focus spell points. Just discovered that it requires 2 short rests to equal a 10 minute PF2 short rest.

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Resting is not implemented yet. I don't think I'll do anything for short rests - there's not really a generic short rest mechanic in PF2. There are plenty of exploration activities that take 10 minutes, but PCs might do different activities during that 10- minutes. I'll remove the whole short rest option from the ruleset.

8 hour rest isn't currently PF2 compatible. Logged as RS2.027.

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Originally Posted by Trenloe

Resting is not implemented yet. I don't think I'll do anything for short rests - there's not really a generic short rest mechanic in PF2. There are plenty of exploration activities that take 10 minutes, but PCs might do different activities during that 10- minutes. I'll remove the whole short rest option from the ruleset.

8 hour rest isn't currently PF2 compatible. Logged as RS2.027.

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Short rest removed, long rest fixed in next release.

Feature Request:

On Page 26 of the Core Rules, there's a Sidebar that gives the option for Voluntary Flaws (in short, basically 2 flaws and 1 boost with some caveats). When alternative methods for character creation is added, it would be nice if this were incorporated as well (options toggle or just the ability to unlock stats for manual adjustment). :)