Coming out of Invisibility striking my enemy question

**Haggar** · May 21st, 2018, 23:34

Hi all,

One of my PC's is a Ninja, when he uses Vanish we give him Invisibility and I just simply apply the Invisibility effect on him. My question is when he strikes the enemy with his first attack do I need to give my enemies the "Flat Footed" condition or is it automatically included? Thank you for your help!

**LordEntrails** · May 22nd, 2018, 00:21

What Ruleset?

**Haggar** · May 22nd, 2018, 01:00

oh sorry, Pathfinder

**Blahness98** · May 22nd, 2018, 01:33

Just have him use the +/- and click on flatfooted for the attack. Then have him attack. If he is full attacking, have him only drag the first attack to his target then drag the other iterative attacks over once the flat foot is gone.

**Trenloe** · May 22nd, 2018, 02:28

Originally Posted by Haggar

One of my PC's is a Ninja, when he uses Vanish we give him Invisibility and I just simply apply the Invisibility effect on him. My question is when he strikes the enemy with his first attack do I need to give my enemies the "Flat Footed" condition or is it automatically included? Thank you for your help!

Check the Invisibility condition here: https://www.fantasygrounds.com/wiki/...cts#Conditions

We see that it has the following modifiers: ATK:2; CA; TCONC Looking at CA - "When attacking, actor treats defender as flat-footed."

**Haggar** · May 22nd, 2018, 06:35

Nice find! Thank you

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