DOE: Locations Extension

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Originally Posted by dulux-oz

The rounding issue is also being worked on - its an issue with the way computers store fractional numbers, and thus integral to the FG Engine. Still, we'll see what we can do.

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Hmm, I'd rather say it's a symptom of the implementation chosen. Your answer ignores both fixed point representations and rational number implementations either of which is a much better format for currency. Someone back in the day decided these values were floating point and this is the consequence. You may have guessed, but I don't really like floating point numbers. There are lots of applications where they are a sub-optimal solution. Currency happens to be one of those applications.

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Originally Posted by dulux-oz

TL;DR: its coming, but people are just going to have to be patient - I'm only one guy and there's only 24 hours in a day (and, for the record, my health isn't 100% at the moment - my issue, but it effects my productivity :( ).

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Sorry to hear that, get well soon.

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Originally Posted by Ampersandrew

Hmm, I'd rather say it's a symptom of the implementation chosen. Your answer ignores both fixed point representations and rational number implementations either of which is a much better format for currency. Someone back in the day decided these values were floating point and this is the consequence. You may have guessed, but I don't really like floating point numbers. There are lots of applications where they are a sub-optimal solution. Currency happens to be one of those applications.

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Yes, but the decision to use Floats, etc, was not made by me, but is "hard-wired" into the FG-Engine - which we don't have access to (the gut of, that is) hence it taking a while to come up with a decent solution.

Try using this:

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function round(num, numDecimalPlaces)
  local mult = 10^(numDecimalPlaces or 0)
  return math.floor(num * mult + 0.5) / mult
end

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Originally Posted by Andraax

Try using this:

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function round(num, numDecimalPlaces)
  local mult = 10^(numDecimalPlaces or 0)
  return math.floor(num * mult + 0.5) / mult
end

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I haven't tried it, but I don't think that will help. It is more likely that the problem is that 0.2 is not representable exactly in this floating point representation. You will likely end up with 0.2000000098023, which is the closest this floating point representation can get to 0.2

This needs a fix in the output layer. The real underlying problem is that lua doesn't have an integer type. Actually, I have no idea what the problem is :-)

It's also possible that lua has been compiled with single precision floating point numbers here. Anyway, I'm sure Dulux-Oz is aware of all this and taking it into account while looking for a "decent solution".

Yes, the Lua engine uses floating points internally for all numbers (and thus that is what the Lua scripts have to work with), which is the root of the situation.

Regards,
JPG

Seems to work:

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        local nTest = 1 / 6;
        Debug.console("Before round: " .. nTest);
        nTest = round(nTest, 2);
        Debug.console("After round: " .. nTest);

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Runtime Notice: Reloading ruleset
Runtime Notice: s'Before round: 0.16666666666667'
Runtime Notice: s'After round: 0.17'

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The solution Andrax listed is the method I have used for the problem of rounding.
The capitalization problem was resolved by having the routine ignore case.

Total Currency is first loaded into the extension and converted to copper,
then the transaction is conducted.
Then the resulting copper is consolidated to fewest coins using platinum as a base,
then reinserted into the record sheet.

The resulting vendor accurately transacts any exchange, giving proper change in return.
I have been using this for over 6 months with good results.

As the extension belongs to Dulux, I have not given the code to anyone.
I do not know what effect this code will have on other extensions, but expect
that Dulux will figure that out before incorporating it into his extension.

Intruder, he encourages people to modify his stuff and give him code in his extension threads. If you have the fix, I think he'd love to incorporate it.

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Originally Posted by Intruder

Total Currency is first loaded into the extension and converted to copper,
then the transaction is conducted.
Then the resulting copper is consolidated to fewest coins using platinum as a base,
then reinserted into the record sheet.

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Same, because merchants can also act as money lenders. or just round up and things are all dollars to make them whole numbers

copper = 1, silver = 10, gold... etc


sure people are n longer carrying 30k copper piece around, but nobody tracks weights once they get to town with it these days

my DM track :( Shadzar

I have forwarded the code to Dulux for his approval and inclusion.
Yako2020 is one individual that I have had visit my server to see the merchants function.

As of lately, I figure Dulux has not included the code yet.

Hey, Dulux, please get this fixed. I know you're busy, but this has been a long-standing problem. We'd sure appreciate it!

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Originally Posted by Bidmaron

Hey, Dulux, please get this fixed. I know you're busy, but this has been a long-standing problem. We'd sure appreciate it!

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Recently said:

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Originally Posted by dulux-oz

TL;DR: its coming, but people are just going to have to be patient - I'm only one guy and there's only 24 hours in a day (and, for the record, my health isn't 100% at the moment - my issue, but it effects my productivity :( ).

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Thanks, Trenloe, I remember that post now that you mention it.

This is my first time looking at this, but it looks like it could take care of a lot of problems for me - thanks!

I've only looked around briefly and perhaps this is handled a different way... Anyhow, I was adding a building and noticed that the building types did not include CLANDESTINE (thieves guild, spy's safehouse, etc), ENTERTAINMENT (theatre, fighting ring, etc), and while Commercial might cover it FOOD AND LODGING is a category that frequently dominates an adventure cycle. Just friendly suggestions :)

Thanks again!

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Originally Posted by Topdecker

This is my first time looking at this, but it looks like it could take care of a lot of problems for me - thanks!

I've only looked around briefly and perhaps this is handled a different way... Anyhow, I was adding a building and noticed that the building types did not include CLANDESTINE (thieves guild, spy's safehouse, etc), ENTERTAINMENT (theatre, fighting ring, etc), and while Commercial might cover it FOOD AND LODGING is a category that frequently dominates an adventure cycle. Just friendly suggestions :)

Thanks again!

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Nice suggestions - thanks.

All of those are COMMERCIAL (except maybe CLANDESTINE) - and wouldn't you want CLANDESTINE to be (ie look like) something else anyway?

(Thinking about it I might just put them in anyway :) )

Make "Clandestine" a check box. For example, the building is a tavern, so mark it "Food and Lodging" but check the "Clandestine" box and put in a GM note that the local Thieves Guild meets in a hidden room in the basement...

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Originally Posted by Andraax

Make "Clandestine" a check box. For example, the building is a tavern, so mark it "Food and Lodging" but check the "Clandestine" box and put in a GM note that the local Thieves Guild meets in a hidden room in the basement...

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That's a good idea, Andraax! Other checkbox item ideas in the GM section might include:

• Visited / Discovered
• Damaged / Destroyed

There is probably a correlation between the players visiting and the damaged / destroyed status. And of lesser interest....

• Magically Warded / Watched
• Sanctified / Defiled
• Entrance / Exit
• Plot
• For Sale
• Player Owned

I can really think stuff up when I am not doing the work :)

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Originally Posted by Topdecker

That's a good idea, Andraax! Other checkbox item ideas in the GM section might include:

• Visited / Discovered
• Damaged / Destroyed

There is probably a correlation between the players visiting and the damaged / destroyed status. And of lesser interest....

• Magically Warded / Watched
• Sanctified / Defiled
• Entrance / Exit
• Plot
• For Sale
• Player Owned

I can really think stuff up when I am not doing the work :)

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A lot of those could go into the General or GM's Notes sections - there's no real need to separate them out into separate data fields. Of course, if anyone does have a reason for a separate dat field I'm all ears :)

The indicator can be in the main area and be a reminder for the GM to look in the notes. Stuff like this can get "hidden" and overlooked if it's buried in the notes. If it's in the same area as the building's purpose, it gives the GM a visible trigger to go look for stuff in the notes section.

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Originally Posted by dulux-oz

... I'm all ears :)

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I thought you were all thumbs?

Visited/Discovered and Clandestine checkboxes could be useful.

Also, the ability to make building a part of more thqn one location! (For instance I've got constant need for the buildings to be part of a natural rgion, state and specific location at the same time)

Buggery-Bugger!

A serious (at least to me) issue has now appeared with the 3.7.7 update - the following extensions are no longer working, as they have in the past; DOE: Locations (critical, as I am populating a city and world map with POI, and I have numerous entries already - hundreds on the city map alone), DOE: Organizations (less critical because I have yet to begin filling these in during world building - but will need functionality soon), DOE: Sounds (I have yet to play with this extension - low priority).

The extensions appear as clickable links to database(s) on the right hand navigation pane, but now display blank windows when clicked.

All the information that I have already 'pinned' to a maps image, remains so pinned as links but, I can't add any more pin (links) through DOE: Locations.

I know that you might be already aware of these issues. I am just lending my voice to the roar.

Hi Everyone,

With the release of FGv3.3.7 during the last 24-hours I have placed an updated version of the DOE:Locations (v4.8.2) on the first post of this thread.

As I've previously mentioned, with the retirement of the DOE:REMU I'm moving (eventually) all of the DO REMs back from the GitHub Repository to their own relevant FG Forum Threads. For the record: if a DO REM is not avaliable from the first post of its relevant Thread then it will still be avaliable (for the time being) from the GitHub Repository - but check the relevant FG Forum Thread FIRST.

Also, please note that this is a minor "bug update" - the update which will allow the use of this Extension with PF2 is still being developed & tested.

Enjoy

I just update the doe and when I try to use Locations I just get a blank window

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Originally Posted by jab112

I just update the doe and when I try to use Locations I just get a blank window

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You are not using the latest version (v4.8.2). You did not download the Extension from the first post on this Thread, did you, and didn't read Post #906 (the one right before your post). You instead downloaded the copy from the GitHub Repo, didn't you. :)

If you look at the chat window you will see the version is v4.8.2. And to make sure I was using the right one I download form post one today and same thing

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Originally Posted by jab112

If you look at the chat window you will see the version is v4.8.2. And to make sure I was using the right one I download form post one today and same thing

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Also if you look at the chat window you’ll see that coreRPG is showing version 3.3.6A and it should be 3.3.7. Go into your rulesets folder and delete the coreRPG.pak file and do an update.

I didn't see that. I will fix it and try again.

Thank you. That was the problem.

--Hey Folks,

Not sure if this has hit anyone before but I just updated FG today and when I went to load the campaign I was working on the locations window was empty. I had a huge amount of content built there and I haven't added anything new. any ideas?--

Nevermind. Re installing the Base file as well as locations fixed it.

He may have an unpacked ruleset.

I haven't been able to test it extensively but does the new "currencies tab" that was added in the update fix the gp/GP problem we were having? As far as I understand you can set your currencies to lowercase and when dragging parcels over it updates the character sheet with the currencies you set.

Just installed the addon and finding myself quite overwhelmed with the prospect of creating so many shops and locations that I wish to offer my players in a large city. Is there anything generic/premade moduels that I can download or get of the GMGuild so I don't need to handcraft these?

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Originally Posted by matshelge

Just installed the addon and finding myself quite overwhelmed with the prospect of creating so many shops and locations that I wish to offer my players in a large city. Is there anything generic/premade moduels that I can download or get of the GMGuild so I don't need to handcraft these?

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I used WH traders and merchants from dms guild. It has a table for inventories and prices and lots of flavor to each merchant. I would recommend it as a starting point.

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Originally Posted by Davinci522

I used WH traders and merchants from dms guild. It has a table for inventories and prices and lots of flavor to each merchant. I would recommend it as a starting point.

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Looking at that, it seems to be a PDF, I was thinking more like a module that I could load, so they are drag and dropable.

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Originally Posted by matshelge

Looking at that, it seems to be a PDF, I was thinking more like a module that I could load, so they are drag and dropable.

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I haven’t found a module that anyone made. I had to type it all in.

Hey dulux-oz, do you guys have plans to adapt this extension and the others to pathfinder 2 (playtest)?

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Originally Posted by dantedoom

Hey dulux-oz, do you guys have plans to adapt this extension and the others to pathfinder 2 (playtest)?

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It's being worked on. No ETA yet (I've got medical issues interferring with my productivity :( )

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Originally Posted by matshelge

Just installed the addon and finding myself quite overwhelmed with the prospect of creating so many shops and locations that I wish to offer my players in a large city. Is there anything generic/premade moduels that I can download or get of the GMGuild so I don't need to handcraft these?

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Originally Posted by matshelge

Looking at that, it seems to be a PDF, I was thinking more like a module that I could load, so they are drag and dropable.

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I've thought of that and there was a discussion at one point in time for doing something like this for the Sword Coast or at least Waterdeep, but it never came to fruition. I'd like to do it one day, but too many things on my plate.Do

Do note, you would need a license from Dulux, but I;m sure that could be obtained after talking with him.