(New IF operator) New and much better version of Save versus tags

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Originally Posted by Kelrugem

Sure, IFTAG: poison; SIMMUNE (for poison immunity, but there is no automatic parsing of the tag poison, you have to add that tag to each poison action :) ) or IFTAG: zero, one, two, three; IFTAG: spell; SIMMUNE (for immunity against spells up to level three as in the lesser globe of invulnerability; these tags are normally added automatically :) ). IFTAG: spell; IFTAG: enchantment; SIMMUNE for immunity against enchantment spells or just IFTAG: enchantment; SIMMUNE when immune against all enchantment effects :) And so on :)

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Kelrugem, thank you!

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Originally Posted by dellanx

Kelrugem, thank you!

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You're welcome :)

Please redownload the extension :) I accidentally made a bad copy&paste in the last patch and broke IF and NIF effects, that should be fixed now :)

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Originally Posted by Svandal

Intimidate would be nice.

Intimidate skill vs 10+hd+wisdom modifier

Opposed charisma check would be nice (charm person etc)

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Does anyone allow "Bravery+5" lets say to increase the DC by 5?

Please update for 3.3.11 :) Also new things, especially the parser is better (@darrenan, finally I did it :D)

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Originally Posted by Kelrugem

Update 3: New stuff!

nodex

This condition can be used in (N)IF(T) statements to check whether one has lost their Dex modifier to AC: When the (opposing) actor has an effect which leads to a loss of Dex mod to AC then this condition will return true. Hence, one can e.g. code sneak attack with IFT: nodex; DMG: 3d6 precision. The only exception is CA, that can’t be measured and has still to be treated manually or with other effects (e.g. having an CA effect would not apply the mentioned sneak attack effect). Similarly, IF: nodex will not work when the opposing actor has an CA effect, and so on... CA is difficult to treat, FG has major problems to check that, it basically always gave me the error "F***, that is too much, leave me alone with so many calculations!" :D Maybe FG has problems with that type of complexity, or I did it wrong Will not work as a single condition.

ROLLON: [same as for /rollon]

Rolls on the table at the beginning of turn, formatting is as for the macro /rollon. When the name starts with a separated number then do not use a 0 as the first digit (but something like 0A would work, but not 01, 0 A etc.)

• Now compatible with some stuff of rmilmine's advanced effects extension; but sadly the IFTAG operators still won't work with rmilmine's extension :( I spent now many hours updating etc., such that I do not really have time anymore to delve into rmilmine's extension. It is very big extension, and I am not sure whether I can fix it on my side. I turn back to it when I have time for that again (which can really take a while now; I already lost too many hours now :D)
• The parser now automatically parses the tag disbelief, and it finally also parses tags for spell modules with custom actions! :) And the parser will do it intelligent: It won't overwrite anything (except the school entry), so, it checks first whether some tag already exists before it may add it, and custom tags will not be overwritten by that, also the spell box stays on spelllike or none when it was saved like that. But still make a sanity check, the automatic parser of the spell level could lead to two numbers in the tag line when you drop it into another spell level than the one it was saved with (so, save spells maybe without the spell level; or I may automate that later, i.e. such that it deletes the previous number tag). Possible new tags will then be added at the end of all the tags, separated with a space (the semicolon approach looked strange in general); that is just something visual, separating with a space is also okay when it is about automation. The semicolon was just legacy
• IF(T): [condition] effects were returning true in the native code, when there was an effect of precisely that searched condition which was on "Skip". Now this behaviour is fixed, and "Skip" condition effects will be ignored like turned-off effects (but they will not automatically turn to on "when they would have been triggered" as usual, simply due to the the ambiguity of when such conditions would be triggered, especially outside of combat), but they do not do this even in the native code, seemingly also not so easy to code

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Hi, your extension is great !! thanks!
But I have a bug...
I created the following effect : MyEffect;IFTAG: spell;DC:2;ATK:2

It is for the Robe Of Runes effect when recalling spells : While worn, it grants a +4 enhancement bonus to Intelligence and allows the wearer to recall, as a free action, up to four levels of spells per day that he had prepared and then cast. Each time a spell is recalled and prepared again in this manner, the sudden rush of magical energy infuses the wearer with power. For 1 round after recalling a spell, the wearer's spell save DCs and attack rolls made with spells gain a +2 enhancement bonus.

DC Bonus works fine but ATK Bonus doesn't...

Thanks in advance for the future help ^^

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Originally Posted by Sayako

Hi, your extension is great !! thanks!
But I have a bug...
I created the following effect : MyEffect;IFTAG: spell;DC:2;ATK:2

It is for the Robe Of Runes effect when recalling spells : While worn, it grants a +4 enhancement bonus to Intelligence and allows the wearer to recall, as a free action, up to four levels of spells per day that he had prepared and then cast. Each time a spell is recalled and prepared again in this manner, the sudden rush of magical energy infuses the wearer with power. For 1 round after recalling a spell, the wearer's spell save DCs and attack rolls made with spells gain a +2 enhancement bonus.

DC Bonus works fine but ATK Bonus doesn't...

Thanks in advance for the future help ^^

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Hi :)

ATK is not one of the effects supported for the IFTAG operator :) Only the following work with IFTAG: SIMMUNE, SR, SAVE, (improved) evasion, DC and CLC :) But it shouldn't be too hard to add DMG and ATK to that list, too, I think :) I try to add these in the next update (but could take some while) :)

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Originally Posted by Kelrugem

Hi :)

ATK is not one of the effects supported for the IFTAG operator :) Only the following work with IFTAG: SIMMUNE, SR, SAVE, (improved) evasion, DC and CLC :) But it shouldn't be too hard to add DMG and ATK to that list, too, I think :) I try to add these in the next update (but could take some while) :)

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would be great !! Thanks;)

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Originally Posted by Sayako

would be great !! Thanks;)

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Keep an eye at the overlay thread, your wish may have come true :D

Updated to FGU and 3.3.12. This extension is now only part of the full overlay packages, together with all the other things :) Please download one of the overlay packages and think about turning on that extension :) (there are now options to turn off overlays if you do not need it)

(I am just about uploading all these new things, so, when you read this right after I posted it, then please wait a bit :) )

https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...ea-from-Ken-L)
https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...njury-packages (for strainInjury)

There's a problem with your tag creation code.
I dragged in Mind Thrust and it appears to be missing the dividers between tags.
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Great, I will try this when I get some time to :)

Thank for the news and notification ;)

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Originally Posted by bmos

There's a problem with your tag creation code.
I dragged in Mind Thrust and it appears to be missing the dividers between tags.
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That is normal, that is part of the creation for spells which come from modules, spaces are also used as dividers :) So, you can separate tags with semicolons, colons, spaces and probably other things :) The semicolon was just standard due to legacy of a very early save versus tags code :)

The reason is the following: When the parser parses tags of spells from modules, then I need to add some divider at the beginning because there could be already tags :) But it could also be that there are no tags yet, and then the space is the best neutral option, to avoid having a semicolon at the beginning :D (I could let the code check whether or not that thing is empty if that is confusing :) )

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Originally Posted by Kelrugem

That is normal, that is part of the creation for spells which come from modules, spaces are also used as dividers :) So, you can separate tags with semicolons, colons, spaces and probably other things :) The semicolon was just standard due to legacy of a very early save versus tags code :)

The reason is the following: When the parser parses tags of spells from modules, then I need to add some divider at the beginning because there could be already tags :) But it could also be that there are no tags yet, and then the space is the best neutral option, to avoid having a semicolon at the beginning :D (I could let the code check whether or not that thing is empty if that is confusing :) )

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It's a little confusing, but not a big deal if it's working as intended :)
Thanks for the clarification.

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Originally Posted by Sayako

Great, I will try this when I get some time to :)

Thank for the news and notification ;)

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Hehe, you are welcome :D

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Originally Posted by bmos

It's a little confusing, but not a big deal if it's working as intended :)
Thanks for the clarification.

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Ah oki, yeah, since I now have basically just one extension to manage, I can now easier push such small updates :) So, when I do not forget it, then I try to change that in the next time :)

In PF1e:

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The creature is also treated as one level lower for the purpose of level-dependent variables (such as spellcasting) for each negative level possessed. Spellcasters do not lose any prepared spells or slots as a result of negative levels.

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Not sure about 3.5E, but now you can automate NLVL fully thanks to the new update :)
NLVL: 1: CL: -1; CLC: -1

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Originally Posted by bmos

In PF1e:

Not sure about 3.5E, but now you can automate NLVL fully thanks to the new update :)
NLVL: 1: CL: -1; CLC: -1

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Cool :) Though I think you just need NVL: 1; CL: -1, since the CL also contributes to the CLC, or that is something PF1 specific I overlook :D

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Originally Posted by Kelrugem

Cool :) Though I think you just need NVL: 1; CL: -1, since the CL also contributes to the CLC, or that is something PF1 specific I overlook :D

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Oh, I was remembering how it was when I had worked on it. Glad you have simplified there :)

uhm, of course I could be missing something, and just jumping in between the two of you :D

this intrigued me, as it came up when I was messing around but have CL: -1 doesnt seem to be working for concentration checks

ie : the CC check

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"When you make a concentration check, you roll d20 and add your caster level and the ability score modifier used to determine bonus"

this character has a WIS: 14

CL: 3

and NLVL: 1

his concentration check should be: 1d20 + 4, after effects, and in the attachment, it is not

I think what you really need to represent a negative level in pf1e is

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negative level effect; NLVL: 1; CL: -1; COC: -1

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.. let me know if i'm wrong :D

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Originally Posted by Zygmunt Molotch

uhm, of course I could be missing something, and just jumping in between the two of you :D

this intrigued me, as it came up when I was messing around but have CL: -1 doesnt seem to be working for concentration checks

ie : the CC check

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"When you make a concentration check, you roll d20 and add your caster level and the ability score modifier used to determine bonus"

this character has a WIS: 14

CL: 3

and NLVL: 1

his concentration check should be: 1d20 + 4, after effects, and in the attachment, it is not

I think what you really need to represent a negative level is



.. let me know if i'm wrong :D

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Yes, the concentration check in PF1 is not affected :) I mentioned this in the last update notes:

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A word about the CL effect for the PF1 users: It won't update the concentration check, please use the COC effect separetely then :) I decided to do so because then it is for you easy to decide whether or not bonusses to CL and concentration stack by choosing bonus types in the COC effects :) Otherwise I would need to add some code which checks for all COC and CL effects, and which then checks the stacking, when you roll concentration (FG's code does not check stacking of different type of effects of course) :D (and another problem is that the concentration does not know about tags due to that it is not spell-specific. In that way the CL is always compatible with IFTAG)

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So, yes, for PF1 one needs to add COC, for 3.5e one does not need to add anything :) (in my answer to bmos I did not think about that it was about PF1 :D)

perfect :)

good explanation!

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does this:

IFTAG: evocation; DC: 1

work with type... so, can it be like this?

IFTAG: evocation, cold, air, electricity, sonic; DC: 3

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Originally Posted by tahl_liadon

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does this:

IFTAG: evocation; DC: 1

work with type... so, can it be like this?

IFTAG: evocation, cold, air, electricity, sonic; DC: 3

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Yes, IFTAG can be combined with DC :) the second effect would then mean, that the DC is increased by three for all spells having at least one of the tags (not necessarily all, which is what you want, I think) :) When you want that all tags are in the spell, then you'd need to put them into an IFTAG chain (but I doubt that you want that, at least that would be a fancy spell :D)

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tested the type string and it works! cool.

now... review image with my set up... cl works, but dc does not?
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https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...chmentid=41360

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Originally Posted by tahl_liadon

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tested the type string and it works! cool.

now... review image with my set up... cl works, but dc does not?
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https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...chmentid=41360

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Hm, I just tested, for me that works fine :) (and, just in case, DC and CL will stack for DC calculation (if it contributes) once it works for you)

Strange, can you turn off any other extension (or start a test campaign with only this extension)? Then test it there please, maybe an incompatibility with something :)

Also maybe make sure that you have not any unpacked rulesets and extensions in your folders :) (FG prioritizes unpacked things, which can cause to overwriting my code)

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a couple of things:

1) it works now (which is frickin' awesome!) with systematic extensions compatibility tests. however, it's not conflicting with any of them anymore X-D

2) what could be the problem (don't ask me why exactly) was an unpacked extension as you mentioned... i tried that first: there was one that was not packed (creaturegen), so i packed it and removed the directory (now 'creaturegen.ext'). with no unpacked items in the extensions directory, the iftag works with all my previous extensions turned back on.

so [thumbsup] -- thx!

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Originally Posted by tahl_liadon

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a couple of things:

1) it works now (which is frickin' awesome!) with systematic extensions compatibility tests. however, it's not conflicting with any of them anymore X-D

2) what could be the problem (don't ask me why exactly) was an unpacked extension as you mentioned... i tried that first: there was one that was not packed (creaturegen), so i packed it and removed the directory (now 'creaturegen.ext'). with no unpacked items in the extensions directory, the iftag works with all my previous extensions turned back on.

so [thumbsup] -- thx!

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Cool, you are welcome :)

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final scripts:

Arcane Reservoir; IFTAG: spell; DC: 2; CL: 2;

Air Mastery; IFTAG: spell; IFTAG: evocation, cold, air, electricity, sonic; DC: 1; CL: 2;

since both dc and cl stack as you mentioned, this allows toggling on/off as needed.

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@kelrugem

i wonder if you could test this for me and see if this extension is affecting it or fg itself... it's not working for me:

Focused Shot; DMG: [STR];

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Originally Posted by tahl_liadon

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@kelrugem

i wonder if you could test this for me and see if this extension is affecting it or fg itself... it's not working for me:

Focused Shot; DMG: [STR];

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Yes, it works for me, also with all my extensions loaded :) Do you apply it from an actions tab? What do you see? Make sure that you actually have a STR modifier in case you do not see any number :)

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Originally Posted by Kelrugem

Yes, it works for me... Make sure that you actually have a STR modifier in case you do not see any number

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haha! it's always the obvious -- there is no mod (str 10)! i had just assumed if the npc has the feat, it would have the str score to make it relevant.

once in a while i get things like this... paizo writers overlook certain details X-D

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Originally Posted by tahl_liadon

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haha! it's always the obvious -- there is no mod (str 10)! i had just assumed if the npc has the feat, it would have the str score to make it relevant.

once in a while i get things like this... paizo writers overlook certain details X-D

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hehe :D Glad, that the reason was just a STR 10 :D

Hey Kelrugem, I am really excited about this extension but I am having the same problem as the guy in post #12 unfortunately. It will apply the bonus to all saves rather than just the ones it is supposed to.

For example, for the Elven racial +2 save against enchantment, I do IFTAG: enchantment; SAVE: 2 racial and it will apply the bonus to all saves I roll.

Also having a problem trying to apply IFTAG: fear; SAVE: -1 same issue, it applies -1 to all saves. Unfortunately the fix that seemed to work for him is not working for me. I don't use the flat-footed extension, and I re-downloaded your extension. Has to be a incompatibility unfortunately I am a complete noob and have no idea how to tell what is compatible with what, so I'm hoping you can help. I am using the following extensions:

Advanced Character Inventory Manager for 3.5e and pathfinder
Advanced Effects for 3.5e and pathfinder
Big Fonts
CoreRPG-Better Menus (NO SIDEBAR)
CoreRPG-Has Initiative Indicator
Customized Item Generator
Full Overlay Package with other Icons
Height
Hero Points for CoreRPG
PFRPG-Enhanced Items v4.21
Spell Failure
Theme: Wood
Window Saver

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Originally Posted by IKillCharacters42

Hey Kelrugem, I am really excited about this extension but I am having the same problem as the guy in post #12 unfortunately. It will apply the bonus to all saves rather than just the ones it is supposed to.

For example, for the Elven racial +2 save against enchantment, I do IFTAG: enchantment; SAVE: 2 racial and it will apply the bonus to all saves I roll.

Also having a problem trying to apply IFTAG: fear; SAVE: -1 same issue, it applies -1 to all saves. Unfortunately the fix that seemed to work for him is not working for me. I don't use the flat-footed extension, and I re-downloaded your extension. Has to be a incompatibility unfortunately I am a complete noob and have no idea how to tell what is compatible with what, so I'm hoping you can help. I am using the following extensions:

Advanced Character Inventory Manager for 3.5e and pathfinder
Advanced Effects for 3.5e and pathfinder
Big Fonts
CoreRPG-Better Menus (NO SIDEBAR)
CoreRPG-Has Initiative Indicator
Customized Item Generator
Full Overlay Package with other Icons
Height
Hero Points for CoreRPG
PFRPG-Enhanced Items v4.21
Spell Failure
Theme: Wood
Window Saver

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it's sure an incompatibliity, something bugs out the iftag parameter so it gets ignored by fg and it only reads the effects linked (saves, for example).

The advanced effect... is that the one that allows you to put effects onto items? (If it's the one, then that's the cause). If that's not it, either try running FG without any other extensiona and test it. Then run it again with one extension up, and test it. Then, proceed to add one extension (and test it) every time

You use so few extensions it's more feasible than when I did (with something like 37 extensions loaded) :D

By doing so, you should easily figure out which extension bugs it out

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Originally Posted by IKillCharacters42

Hey Kelrugem, I am really excited about this extension but I am having the same problem as the guy in post #12 unfortunately. It will apply the bonus to all saves rather than just the ones it is supposed to.

For example, for the Elven racial +2 save against enchantment, I do IFTAG: enchantment; SAVE: 2 racial and it will apply the bonus to all saves I roll.

Also having a problem trying to apply IFTAG: fear; SAVE: -1 same issue, it applies -1 to all saves. Unfortunately the fix that seemed to work for him is not working for me. I don't use the flat-footed extension, and I re-downloaded your extension. Has to be a incompatibility unfortunately I am a complete noob and have no idea how to tell what is compatible with what, so I'm hoping you can help. I am using the following extensions:

Advanced Character Inventory Manager for 3.5e and pathfinder
Advanced Effects for 3.5e and pathfinder
Big Fonts
CoreRPG-Better Menus (NO SIDEBAR)
CoreRPG-Has Initiative Indicator
Customized Item Generator
Full Overlay Package with other Icons
Height
Hero Points for CoreRPG
PFRPG-Enhanced Items v4.21
Spell Failure
Theme: Wood
Window Saver

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Hi :)

Thanks for the list of extensions: Can you try turning off Advanced Effect for 3.5e and pathfinder and then try again? Sadly, my extension is not compatible with rmilmine's extension, and I think I remember that it was precisely causing that the IFTAG operator is then ignored when one has this extension activated.

In the long run I want to incorporate rmilmine's extension to solve that, but that will take some months until my thesis is done and I finally know what comes after my PhD :D Sorry for the problems :)

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Originally Posted by Asgurgolas

it's sure an incompatibliity, something bugs out the iftag parameter so it gets ignored by fg and it only reads the effects linked (saves, for example).

The advanced effect... is that the one that allows you to put effects onto items? (If it's the one, then that's the cause). If that's not it, either try running FG without any other extensiona and test it. Then run it again with one extension up, and test it. Then, proceed to add one extension (and test it) every time

You use so few extensions it's more feasible than when I did (with something like 37 extensions loaded) :D

By doing so, you should easily figure out which extension bugs it out

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Oops, Asgurgolas was quicker than me :D Thanks, I also suspect rmilmine's extension :)

Unfortunately, you are correct. Makes me sad, I love both of these extensions. Thank you for your help.

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Originally Posted by IKillCharacters42

Unfortunately, you are correct. Makes me sad, I love both of these extensions. Thank you for your help.

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I feel that, that's why I'm looking forward for the day those extensions will become compatible with each other.. (since I totally suck at scripting & programming)

As an intermediate solution I can try to implement a tag line for PC weapons at some point; then one can use IFTAG with weapon attacks and damages to attach effects just to certain weapons :) That would at least cover one of the major advantages of rmilmine's extension :)

it was very useful for NPCs too, having to set up certain effects only once on their NPC entries, that would automatically be applied every time it was put on the tracker... for example setting some undead with "IFT: CUSTOM (Necrotic Cyst); DMG: 1d6 melee" or all those monsters that have passive effects always on (and I can't be bothered to click on each entry in the CT to activate for each one). But for now, focus on your thesis and we'll abduct you for extensions once you're set with your PhD :P