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March 17th, 2023, 14:36 #1
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Question on Abomination Vaults Player's Guide in FG (Spoilers)
The FG version of the Player's Guide contains a fair amount of spoilers and is missing the Otari Gazetteer from the original player's guide.
I'll try to keep this as vague as possible to avoid major spoilers for any players that read this, but if you are planning to play Abomination Vaults I recommend not reading further.
Revealing the main antagonist's object of worship here is a major spoiler. Unless the party has the right skill(s) they may have no idea who or what this 'thing' is. Part of the adventure is finding the connection between antagonist and 'thing' as that's part of the villain's motivation.
The new archetypes need to be found in the adventure. I know the guide has a warning about the unlocks, but the entry titles give a bit away and may be read by accident. I would suggest separating these out into their own modules or something (yes it's more work, but it gives GMs more granular control over what players can see).
I was a bit disappointed that the Coming Together section and the player-friendly Otari Gazetteer are missing as well. This is helpful information that the player's should have. I know that Paizo publishes the Player's Guide separately as a free download and it's not part of the core product that has been converted into FG, but I really think they should be included here with their respective adventure paths, or at least available for sale at a nominal fee (although it would be better to include them as a courtesy and also would help FG stand out from the competition.)
Unfortunately, in it's current state I'm just going to lock the player's guide so my players can't open it in FG. I think it does more harm then good. The only thing to be gained is the backgrounds, and while I'd prefer they show up in the tracker for player creation, it's easy enough to copy and paste them onto the character sheets.
I know there's probably not one solution-fits all groups answer here. I get that some groups may want the spoiler material available for player use, either in Abom. Vaults or another adventure. It would be nice if the GM could limit the information in some way and reveal it when the time is right instead of it being an all or nothing thing though. Being able to share the whole guide but letting the GM control what sections are unlocked would be the perfect solution, but I'm not sure the current programming could support such a feature.
Anyway, those are my thoughts and suggestions for ways to possibly improve player guides. I'd be interested to hear what other GMs and players think and what their experience with the player-facing materials in FG was.
Happy Adventuring!
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March 17th, 2023, 15:02 #2Private Messages: My inbox is forever filling up with PMs. Please don't send me PMs unless they are actually private/personal messages. General FG questions should be asked in the forums - don't be afraid, the FG community don't bite and you're giving everyone the chance to respond and learn!
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March 17th, 2023, 15:11 #3
And to clarify - I think you're referring to the Player's Resource, which is different to the Player's Guide.
I can't check if the Player's Guide has been assigned to the single volume product, as I have all of the products. Do you see a module "Abomination Vaults Player's Guide" for activation?
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March 22nd, 2023, 19:49 #4
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No it doesn't look like the single volume version comes with the Player's Guide.
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You're correct, what I'm seeing are player resources from the single volume. Is there anyway to get the original Player's Guide included with the single volume version? That would be awesome and maybe fix the issue entirely.
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March 22nd, 2023, 20:04 #5Private Messages: My inbox is forever filling up with PMs. Please don't send me PMs unless they are actually private/personal messages. General FG questions should be asked in the forums - don't be afraid, the FG community don't bite and you're giving everyone the chance to respond and learn!
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March 23rd, 2023, 17:50 #6
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Thanks Trenloe! I appreciate the quick response and assistance, as always!
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March 28th, 2023, 15:06 #7
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Confirming for anyone else interested that the original Abomination Vaults Player's Guide now shows up for the single volume collection of the Abomination Vaults in FG. Thank you for the quick turnaround on this. Having this resource available for players is really helpful!
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March 28th, 2023, 15:25 #8Private Messages: My inbox is forever filling up with PMs. Please don't send me PMs unless they are actually private/personal messages. General FG questions should be asked in the forums - don't be afraid, the FG community don't bite and you're giving everyone the chance to respond and learn!
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March 30th, 2023, 02:50 #9
Yeah. Sorry for the oversight. There's a little extra effort necessary on the supplement side to have them attached to products. It was made doubly difficult to notice if you already had the individual version before the one-volume release.
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