improved uncanny dodge effect?

[tahl_liadon]

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so a rogue has improved uncanny dodge and the player "hard-coded" the ac bonus into the 'misc' box for flat-footed ac.

while this is practically ok, for the most part, for this ability, it is not a blanket permanent effect;
there are conditions that would denied rogue's dex,
like immobilized (e.g. hold spell, stunned, paralyzed, etc) or successful feint or a higher level attacker.

has anyone come up with a good way to manage this, or is there a good way to create effects for this?

[Kelrugem]

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so a rogue has improved uncanny dodge and the player "hard-coded" the ac bonus into the 'misc' box for flat-footed ac.

while this is practically ok, for the most part, for this ability, it is not a blanket permanent effect;
there are conditions that would denied rogue's dex,
like immobilized (e.g. hold spell, stunned, paralyzed, etc) or successful feint or a higher level attacker.

has anyone come up with a good way to manage this, or is there a good way to create effects for this?

Just as a note: In my extension (improved) uncanny dodge prevents the automatic apply of the flat-footed effect at the combat start (already by the original author mr900rr) Besides that I did not yet automate anything else regarding this (besides the code you already know, so, maybe someone did some effects for this; I did not really yet think about it)

[tahl_liadon]

...(improved) uncanny dodge prevents the automatic apply of the flat-footed effect at the combat start...

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clarification questions:

1) do i need the "(improved)" spelled out as effect script?... as in: (improved) uncanny dodge;

2a) i do notice the "flat-footed" effect is populated to npc when added to combat tracker;
how does your extension know not to populate "flat-footed" effect -- from reading the feats to see if "(improved) uncanny dodge" exists?

2b) or are you saying the "flat-footed" effect is populated by default, and if npc has (improved) uncanny dodge, it ignores "flat-footed"?

3) if pc already exists on combat tracker, how does the whole thing work,
since "flat-footed" effect does not get populated when adding pc from 'characters' dialog window?

thx

[Kelrugem]

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clarification questions:

1) do i need the "(improved)" spelled out as effect script?... as in: (improved) uncanny dodge;

2a) i do notice the "flat-footed" effect is populated to npc when added to combat tracker;
how does your extension know not to populate "flat-footed" effect -- from reading the feats to see if "(improved) uncanny dodge" exists?

2b) or are you saying the "flat-footed" effect is populated by default, and if npc has (improved) uncanny dodge, it ignores "flat-footed"?

3) if pc already exists on combat tracker, how does the whole thing work,
since "flat-footed" effect does not get populated when adding pc from 'characters' dialog window?

thx

That NPCs always got flatfooted on drop was actually a bug which I fixed now

It works like this: Activate flatfooted on start in the options (which you seemingly did), then everyone gets the effect Flatfooted, if the round counter is 0. However, if a PC has either Uncanny Dodge or Improved Uncanny Dodge as class ability, then it won't get that effect (it is not case-sensitive and it can also be under feats, I think, but not sure right now )

For an NPC: It looks for those "dodges" under SQ

[tahl_liadon]

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kk will try all that. thx for clarifications!

still need to figure out how to manage other aspects of imprd uncanny dodge tho... looks like i'll be a manual process for now.

[bmos]

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kk will try all that. thx for clarifications!

still need to figure out how to manage other aspects of imprd uncanny dodge tho... looks like i'll be a manual process for now.

I think the ruleset already handles the half/no damage if you have "Improved Uncanny Dodge" as an effect.

[Kelrugem]

I think the ruleset already handles the half/no damage if you have "Improved Uncanny Dodge" as an effect.

That is "Improved Evasion"

[bmos]

That is "Improved Evasion"

indeed it is. Oops.

There is something in the ruleset about Improved Uncanny Dodge as well, but it seems not to do anything yet.

[Kelrugem]

indeed it is. Oops.

There is something in the ruleset about Improved Uncanny Dodge as well, but it seems not to do anything yet.

I didn't look yet in the code, but I think it parses (improved) uncanny dodge as effect for NPCs having that in SQ But just as informational effect; maybe you have seen that

[bmos]

I didn't look yet in the code, but I think it parses (improved) uncanny dodge as effect for NPCs having that in SQ But just as informational effect; maybe you have seen that

Yup, that is what the code appears to do. I don't see any code that parses it back from effects to automate things.