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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by damned View Post
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    Maybe the splat books are overpriced?
    Maybe the Core Rulebooks are underpriced.
    Maybe the Core Rulebooks will sell 20x the number of units the splat books will and so can still make more money.

    You dont need the splat books. And if you already have the physical/pdf splat books you can spend time on entering the data you want/need yourself.
    And as a GM you should not feel obligated to do all the spending. If a player wants to run that Fighter variant (and its ok with you as the GM) then they can go and buy the book.
    I think that the message has largely been that a number of us would buy the entire line of 15 books @ $10 a book. At a higher price, we're buying none of the books. We all like the product line, want it to be successful, and would pay not an insignificant amount of money for infrequently used rules support. So the message is that we like what you guys are doing, and please don't misunderstand our lack of purchasing enthusiasm as anything other than our reaction to the unexpectedly high price of the product.

    And yes, imo the core books are underpriced given the depth of features. They would still be a great value at $25, ok at $30.

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    I would like to add that i'm conflicted too about the price of the supplements.
    While i find the prices of the core books perfectly fine - I plan to buy them as soon i'm able- I consider the prices of the complete line a bit excessive.
    My consideration s bi-fold:

    1) They are old books .. in digital format! As a reference comparable newer books costs 50% of that, for example many savage worlds, like the fantasy companion or the super companion.

    2) they are extremely specialized in content. Is hard to justify spending 20$ for something that maybe you will and a single player use 2-3 times in a year long campaign. And the price tag double if i want to use a racial book too! I would buy easily them , or discuss with the players about some bucks for a 10$ one, but 20$ each splat for a old game..not so much. Twenty dollars, in my opinion, is perfectly fine for a core-sized book or setting.
    This does not means i do not appreciate the hard work put into them, just I consider them hard to justify to myself or others.
    Also, I do own the paper books, so, exactly because I do own them is cheaper to input myself the 2-3 things I would use and..not buy the books instead of buying them and saving my time and give support to the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by damned View Post
    There are many factors that go into determining a price point for a product.
    As consumers we can spend our money one time only so we have to choose what is the best use of our money.
    Trying to determine how someone else has valued a product is unlikely to achieve a result.
    The IP holders in turn have to work out how to get what they need from the product.

    Maybe the splat books are overpriced?
    Maybe the Core Rulebooks are underpriced.
    Maybe the Core Rulebooks will sell 20x the number of units the splat books will and so can still make more money.

    You dont need the splat books. And if you already have the physical/pdf splat books you can spend time on entering the data you want/need yourself.
    And as a GM you should not feel obligated to do all the spending. If a player wants to run that Fighter variant (and its ok with you as the GM) then they can go and buy the book.
    If we the consumers don't voice our disappointment and opinion, you won't know why we don't buy them. There seems to be an almost condescending tone in your reply in telling us we don't have to buy the products, as if we don't already know that. The disappointment is in, as someone else pointed out, the price of these splat books compared to other, newer system books. Almost seems like Smite works is trying to gouge us old school gamers who have been dreaming about the day these things become available.

    I will be entering the information as needed myself instead of spending the money on these books, for now at least. I know, as a most the time DM, I'm not expected to buy all the books (again, thanks for pointing that out), and maybe some in my group will want to spend that. I doubt it, but maybe. And now Smite Works knows my OPINION and why, afte spending hundreds of dollars already on 5E books, I'm not entering into 2E with the same enthusiasm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerbelly View Post
    Almost seems like Smite works is trying to gouge us old school gamers who have been dreaming about the day these things become available.
    As has been mentioned in this thread already - WotC decides the price that their material sells for on FG, not SmiteWorks. Now, in the past, SmiteWorks have been able to get WotC to drop their prices on a few 5E FG products - after they’d been in the store for a while (even the popular selling ones). Maybe SmiteWorks will be able to, sometime in the future, get a reduction in some of the 2E material too. But this is just hearsay on my behalf, so don’t spend time waiting or expecting a price reduction outside of sales.

    It’s OK to express you opinion on whether products are too expensive, etc.. I’ve done that in the past myself. But please keep it civil and don’t start throwing accusations around regarding trying to gouge a particular player base or anything else. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by celestian View Post
    You can yes, the powers are just "spells" of type Psionic. There are several other bits related (MAC/MTHACO/etc) on the character/npc sheets.

    It's not "officially" supported yet but the functionality is there.
    I have started entering in the various psionic powers from 2e materials. One thing that would be helpful would be a way to sort based on Disciplines and sciences vs. devotions. Spells can be sorted by sphere, school, and level but those distinctions are meaningless in psionics meaning all psionics are listed together alphabetically.. This may not be possible until psionics/Dark Sun is officially supported. However, doesn't hurt to put my request out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mozmonar View Post
    I have started entering in the various psionic powers from 2e materials. One thing that would be helpful would be a way to sort based on Disciplines and sciences vs. devotions. Spells can be sorted by sphere, school, and level but those distinctions are meaningless in psionics meaning all psionics are listed together alphabetically.. This may not be possible until psionics/Dark Sun is officially supported. However, doesn't hurt to put my request out there.
    The functionally is there just commented out in the code for just such a day. I would have left it but it increased the clutter in the filters a good bit.
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    Perhaps you could have a toggle in the options so that non-psionics groups (likely the majority) can leave it less cluttered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mozmonar View Post
    Perhaps you could have a toggle in the options so that non-psionics groups (likely the majority) can leave it less cluttered.
    Until there is official support for it I'm holding off adding options. Someone could easily create an extension to enable it if they wanted to though.
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    I started a "AD&D2e Fantasy Grounds players" Facebook group. if your on Facebook and maybe want to find a THAC0 game or two. or just discuss ad&d 2e FG content feel free to join us..

    Im currently using it to maybe start up a friday afternoon game.

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/657808001350075/
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  10. #30
    I’m a huge fan and bought the FG books just to support it as AD&D was my favorite game.

    That said, I am not touching the Complete Books. They are too expensive since like others have said, I’d get most of not all and that’s too much for “support” and likely too much even if I ran games.

    Not a dog at anyone I am fairly confident pricing is constrained by outside forces.

    I won’t be spending $300 or $225 on these. In particular, for much of it - I’d do it myself since I don’t need every piece of data for a single fro. It’s more of a reading book than a use one if I recall (meaning amount readable to amount usable in any one given group)

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