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    Is there a future for this?

    Hey

    I don't mean to sound angry or impatient, but I am slowly starting to ask myself if there is still ongoing development for this ruleset in FG or if this came to a halt somehow.
    As we didn't hear any news and there are still some things open (ship combat et al) it is reasonable to ask this, I think.

    Does anyone know anything?
    tia for any infos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordNanoc View Post
    Hey

    I don't mean to sound angry or impatient, but I am slowly starting to ask myself if there is still ongoing development for this ruleset in FG or if this came to a halt somehow.
    As we didn't hear any news and there are still some things open (ship combat et al) it is reasonable to ask this, I think.

    Does anyone know anything?
    tia for any infos.
    Sadly I'm am totally with you on this one. Was excited to use this but so much is unimplemented that it is certainly not worth the cost.

    I believe that Smiteworks needs to identify products created and supported by Community Developers with a warning that they might check out without warning or completing development. I don't know this is the case with Traveller but it seems to be. There are several rulesets I've purchased that I likely wouldn't had I understood this when I first started actually using FG for gaming which was right around when this ruleset came out.

    On his Twitter his last Traveller related update was Oct 23, and it appears he is working on a Call of Cthulhu module, WoIN and some Vampire project for FG. It would be nice for at least a drop in to say A) I'm continuing development or B) What you have is what you are getting.

    At the moment my current state of mind is if he writes it I won't buy it. This feeling sadly extends to community developer products as a whole. I now watch how well something is actually supported for some time before purchasing something and even then I wait some more. The reason is pretty simple, especially with a newish project like Traveller, by the time you realize your screwed it is way to late for a refund.

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    Yeah, I'm really disappointed in the state of this ruleset and the apparent lack of development.
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    All products on the FG store are sold as they are; and that's why we have a 30-day money back guarantee in order for each person to assess whether a product meets their needs.

    We require that all developers provide maintenance to update their products for broken items and/or errata; but not for continuing enhancement and development. Some developers choose to expand their offering because of their continued interest in the game, but it is not a requirement.

    The hard facts are that most game systems other than D&D and Pathfinder will not get the same level of features and functionality, since they cater to a much smaller audience and the return on time invested for developers is much smaller to match. If we required every game system to meet the ever moving functionality bar as presented by D&D/Pathfinder, then we would not be able to offer these other systems at all.

    Are there particular facets of the ruleset that are broken, or are you looking for additional enhancements to the product?

    Regards,
    JPG

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    Quote Originally Posted by esmdev View Post
    I believe that Smiteworks needs to identify products created and supported by Community Developers with a warning ... [snip] ... This feeling sadly extends to community developer products as a whole.
    While I get what you're saying, especially in regard to the actual rulesets, keep in mind the community and contracted DLC Developers do 99% of the products in the Store and elsewhere. The FG Library would be tiny if SmiteWorks had to do it all, and everyone would be stuck playing D&D or Pathfinder to the exclusion of everything else.

    Even the official WotC 5E products, SmiteWorks only did the ruleset, SRD and the original PHB and DMG. Everything else (except Ravnica) has been handled by Zacchaeus who is a contract DLC Developer, and he brought the PHB and DMG up to their current state as well. (Zacc is pretty much everyone's hero whether they play 5E or not!) SmiteWorks did the PFRPG ruleset, and the three Paizo hardbacks that have been adapted for FG so far. I've discovered a handful of 3rd-party Pathfinder adventures over the years with Doug credited as well. That's about it.

    Everything else you see in the Store? You're welcome, and we hope you enjoy our efforts!

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    You might also find that by creating a new post - the dev may not even see it if he is not visiting the forums.
    You are more likely to get the dev's attention by posting on their threads (dont spam them).

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    disregard. I didn't realize which forum I was in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moon Wizard View Post
    All products on the FG store are sold as they are; and that's why we have a 30-day money back guarantee in order for each person to assess whether a product meets their needs.

    We require that all developers provide maintenance to update their products for broken items and/or errata; but not for continuing enhancement and development. Some developers choose to expand their offering because of their continued interest in the game, but it is not a requirement.

    The hard facts are that most game systems other than D&D and Pathfinder will not get the same level of features and functionality, since they cater to a much smaller audience and the return on time invested for developers is much smaller to match. If we required every game system to meet the ever moving functionality bar as presented by D&D/Pathfinder, then we would not be able to offer these other systems at all.

    Are there particular facets of the ruleset that are broken, or are you looking for additional enhancements to the product?

    Regards,
    JPG
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    Please scroll down to 'what's next' in the first post. If he had said that's it I'm done then I'd have said the same thing about the ruleset, but that is not the case. So no, there really was no way to know.

    In the blurb about the ruleset in your store it alludes that it is 1st edition Mongoose Traveller, but it is actually like 1/3 of the core rulebook if that. Something so unfinished and so incomplete really shouldn't be $40, that is more than the PHB which is $10 more than the 5E PHB.

    You also might make an effort to inform your customers somewhere in the purchase process that all products are sold as is, I checked, it doesn't say it at least through the point where you have to actually pay. It's nice to say it in the forums but you should make it clear in the actual process. You also might make an effort to inform customers when key parts of the actual game rules simply don't exist. In this case starships, psionics, a whole career (psion), etc...


    I am not trying to be a **** and I get that you feel a need to take a stand for your company but it's not appropriate to tell me the f-off when there was a clear statement that continued development was planned that never actually happened. Had it actually happened I'd have not posted in this thread in the first place. If you check, I'm generally pretty positive on the forum, but this matter really irks me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talyn View Post
    While I get what you're saying, especially in regard to the actual rulesets, keep in mind the community and contracted DLC Developers do 99% of the products in the Store and elsewhere. The FG Library would be tiny if SmiteWorks had to do it all, and everyone would be stuck playing D&D or Pathfinder to the exclusion of everything else.

    Even the official WotC 5E products, SmiteWorks only did the ruleset, SRD and the original PHB and DMG. Everything else (except Ravnica) has been handled by Zacchaeus who is a contract DLC Developer, and he brought the PHB and DMG up to their current state as well. (Zacc is pretty much everyone's hero whether they play 5E or not!) SmiteWorks did the PFRPG ruleset, and the three Paizo hardbacks that have been adapted for FG so far. I've discovered a handful of 3rd-party Pathfinder adventures over the years with Doug credited as well. That's about it.

    Everything else you see in the Store? You're welcome, and we hope you enjoy our efforts!
    I'm sorry if I seem like I'm blanket attacking all the community devs. Like I said I do a lot more research now before I buy something, for instance I've recently starting collecting Savage World because I can see that continuing development appears to be a priority of the various devs involved. I do feel like when something isn't currently supported it should be stated in the purchasing process. I get the Smiteworks wants to make money but it might be nice if they were to indicate in rulesets like RMC or D20 modern or Traveller that they aren't currently being supported. Especially if they are going to charge premium pricing for said products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by damned View Post
    You might also find that by creating a new post - the dev may not even see it if he is not visiting the forums.
    You are more likely to get the dev's attention by posting on their threads (dont spam them).
    We posted in forums that he is on... <crickets>. So LordNanoc posted a new thread that was clear and not off-topic for the various other threads.

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