A Descent into Despair Campaign

**Aracon** · April 24th, 2010, 15:30

For the 20 or so players in my games, we will soon be at a good point to consider some changes to our campaign. A number of complaints have surfaced and I wanted to use this forum as a place to vote and to make the developers aware of the issues/features that we don't like, and how our gang will be voting for moving forward.

Issue #1: Some people don't like how the dice are computed to make 100. 90+10 should be 90, not 100. Rolling a 00 should be 100.

Issue #2: Players can't chat to one another

Issue #3: The mapping tools in FG2 are clunky, at that is being very very nice calling it merely clunky.

Issue#4: Lack of support from Chaosium means few future modules in the pipeline so I will have to upload content myself.

Issue #5: Lack of interest by FG2 to publish maps means I have to scrounge them elsewhere or draw them myself. All of the CoC Keepers could get together and collaboratively work on nice maps but with no support from FG2 or CoC this isn't going to happen on this site.

Issue #6: There is no inventory available to characters. The sheet wont open up to their views so doing inventory is really crappy and time consuming.

Issue #7: Number pad has issues when entering data into the CoC character sheets.

Issue #8: The rules in the ruleset are not easy to modify to add content from the companions. With the lack of support from Chaosium I doubt I would see the companions as a module, even though I have entered all the data in myself that I want to use. However, the players have to sift through dozens of notes to piece together the rules.

Issue #9: The modules sold only include part of the product, not everything. $6 to have someone cut and paste in about 12 pages of material is a steep cost.

Issue #10: USing tokens is unweildy. I loaded tokens and getting scaling right and making them useful is very cumbersome.

There are more complaints so feel free to add them as you vote.

Here is what our campaign is voting on:

1. Remain using the ruleset - you can live with the issues
2. Switch to the BRP ruleset requiring a couple of weeks of my time
3. Switch to another product such as maptools that has other issues, but most of which can be overcome with macros.

Voting begins today and ends 5pm May 1st. Only one vote per player and please put your character name in your first line so I know it is a legit vote.

Thanks
-Keeper

**Sigurd** · April 24th, 2010, 15:52

Good luck.

Is your experience with the Cthulu ruleset or the BRP? You might try the BRP Ruleset as it is more recent (I haven't used it.)

I think some of your complaints are a wishlist.

There is no telling what module support will be for chaosium stuff at this point. I don't know that Chaosium will put too much energy\money into a proprietary virtual tabletop, let alone supply it with modules. I hope your new choice has better support.

Good luck avoiding map making. I find I am better using graphics software to make maps, and display software (FG) to show them.

The ruleset hasn't been out very long and I'm sure it will improve. As I said, there is now a BRP ruleset as well. Perhaps that has solved some of your issues or will be developed faster. You might ask. Of course you are free to take your $6 and see who you can hire to make a better ruleset.

But, without any snarkyness, good luck.

Sigurd

**Aracon** · April 24th, 2010, 16:53

Sigurd,

This thread was intended for my players, not a fanboy sitting on the sideline who doesnt know a thing of what he is talking about.

1. I NEVER said the ruleset is $6. An adventure was $6 and amounts to about an hour of cut and past into the module section with no other features added. Clearly you don't have the ruleset or the module for CoC and are completely ignornant and trying to flame what I was attempting to be an open and honest debate about FG2, the CoC ruleset and PROMISE from Doug that all I had to do was buy the pdfs from drivethru RPG and cut and paste and could post up modules for other but after buying the CRAPPY scans have heard nothing back from either Doug of Chaosium.

Doug has promised me multiple times via email and PMs and clearly there is a disconnnect between him and Chaosium... or he just doesn't care about the CoC product line when there is clearly a demand (based upon the 20+ players in my games).

You are again clueless with the "good luck map making" I am (well used to be) a professional cartographer, I dont need good luck. I no longer make a lot of maps due to time constraints but people are interested in my maps and Doug has said there is no interest here.

As for Chaosium putting effort into modules, I was the one offering to input them but cant get a decent pdf scan from the modules that I purchased from drivethru RPG.

Get your facts straight before jumping in and posting and attempting to fanboy my thread.

But without any snarkyness, have a nice day.... as if that comment means anything but snarkyness.

**Aracon** · April 24th, 2010, 17:02

<Snippets from Doug, not including various emails and other inquiries and stil... NOTHING>

ddavison
Developer Join Date: Sep 2008
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Re: Call of Cthulhu followup #3

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Originally Posted by Aracon
Hi, just following up from the maps that I sent you and the inquiries about getting better PDFs from chaosium to continue working on converting Arkham and Secrets of New York. I purchased them both but the copy and paste works very awkward and you were going to check on this about a month ago.

I also sent you some good maps that could be sold as an add on map pack. Please review and comment.

Thanks,
Aracon

I am still waiting on Charlie at Chaosium. He has several things I need him to respond to and this is just one of them.

For the maps, I haven't really decided for sure on those. I would have a hard time justifying a price for them I think that would be well received by the community and be enough to cover the paypal fees and effort of packaging and posting them.

**Sigurd** · April 24th, 2010, 17:47

good luck.

**Aracon** · April 24th, 2010, 18:02

I don't need good luck.

Maptools is free and while I thought the features of FG2 were superior, the more our groups play,the more clamor for a change to something less clunky.

Given the lack of response and cumbersome mapping in Fantasy grounds. The long term viability of a for-profit Fantasy Grounds needs good luck, not me.

**peterb** · April 24th, 2010, 20:16

Forgive me from entering into your "private" thread, but this is a public forum...

I'd like to make some comments to your complaints, as I my self have used the CoC ruleset and also modified it to make it into a fully BRP compatible ruleset (before the official one was released).