[Extension] - Weapon Handling - Versatile and Offhand attack

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January 6th, 2019, 02:38
st4lk3r87

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[Extension] - Weapon Handling - Versatile and Offhand attack
I created this little extension to get rid of the several copies of the same weapons in the action tab ( 3 longswords, 2 daggers, 2 battleaxes and so on )
It provides a new button to identify the weapon attack as 1-handed, 2-handed or offhand.
- In 2-handed mode if the weapon has a Versatile property the new damage will override the base damage dice. ( Longsword, Battleaxe, Quarterstaff )
- In off-hand mode the ability score modifier is not applied to the damage.
- It's also possible to enable the "Two-weapon fighting style" to ignore the previous rule.
- One-handed mode is the default behaviour ( nothing change )
https://i.imgur.com/Jwc1Ujr.png https://i.imgur.com/zjbppS2.png?2

https://i.imgur.com/eY74KhQ.png https://i.imgur.com/U7xPN9Y.png

https://youtu.be/T4PF0C1pmLs

Possible issues:
I was aware of 2 main conflicts with other extensions: "5e Action Abilities" and "Advanced Effects". I managed to let them work with some workaround. I'm not sure if there could be more problems.

Further consideration: I don't like the icons i'm using at all! If you like this extension and you come up with better ideas let me know please!

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Weapon Handling v1.3.1

Changelog

Version 1.0.0
- First implementation
Version 1.1.0
- Change offhand attack icon. ( Red and rotated of 45 degrees ).
Version 1.1.1
- Fix: Versatile property was ignored when other properties are specified.
Version 1.2.0
- Add: Handling restriction. You can only use the proper handling based on the weapon property.
- Add: Options to disable Handling restriction and go back to the previous functionality.
- Add: Dual Wielder option in "Weapon Meta"
Version 1.3.0
- Add: Attack type restriction. You can only use the proper attack type based on the weapon property.
- Add: Finesse weapon functionality.
- Remove: Old logs.
Version 1.3.1
- Fix: Improved code to support the Advanced Effect extension ( thanks to Valerian Stormbreaker and Intruder )
January 6th, 2019, 02:59
damned

Well done. Great job. Maybe a Fist or a Red Hand for Off Hand?
January 6th, 2019, 03:27
st4lk3r87

Quote:

Originally Posted by damned

Well done. Great job. Maybe a Fist or a Red Hand for Off Hand?

Yes I think a Red Hand could work :) Thank you damned.
January 6th, 2019, 05:40
LordEntrails

Or rotate the off hand icon 45 degrees. Or both :)
January 6th, 2019, 10:12
st4lk3r87

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordEntrails

Or rotate the off hand icon 45 degrees. Or both :)

I did both :D I just uploaded a new version with the new icon ( as well as the new screenshot ).
January 6th, 2019, 11:12
StoryWeaver

Nice extension, I think I'll be adding this to my games. : )
January 6th, 2019, 11:23
st4lk3r87

Quote:

Originally Posted by Styrmir

Nice extension, I think I'll be adding this to my games. : )

Great! Thank you! I'm going to test it with my players on Thursday. Let me know if you find any issues or if you have any suggestions I'm all ears!
January 7th, 2019, 17:30
ReverendJ

Very nice! I was just contemplating going through all my player's Actions tabs to add the 1-hand, 2-hand & off-hand attacks but this extension has saved me the hassle.
January 7th, 2019, 19:48
Eru the One

Very good extension! I couldn't get it to work with tridents (any) or the Dwarven Thrower as they have more than just "Versatile (XdX)" in their properties.
January 7th, 2019, 21:19
AlphaDecay

Ohh - I like this. Thanks a ton.
January 8th, 2019, 03:10
st4lk3r87

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eru the One

Very good extension! I couldn't get it to work with tridents (any) or the Dwarven Thrower as they have more than just "Versatile (XdX)" in their properties.

I can look into them :) What's the default property?
January 8th, 2019, 03:38
st4lk3r87

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eru the One

Very good extension! I couldn't get it to work with tridents (any) or the Dwarven Thrower as they have more than just "Versatile (XdX)" in their properties.

Ok, I updloaded a new version with a minor fix. There was a little bug. If Versatile was not the first property it was ignored. Now it works.
January 8th, 2019, 05:58
st4lk3r87

I Uploaded a new version of the extension. I added some restriction based on weapon properties.

If a weapon has the "two-handed" you can't change the mode to "one-handed" or "off-hand" ( Think about all the greataxe, bow, crossbow and so on ).
If a weapon isn't "light" you can't change the mode to "off-hand". ( I added a Dual Wielder checkbox in "Weapon Meta" that ignore the light property rule in this case ).
If a weapon isn't "versatile" you can't change from "one-handed" to "two-handed".

I also added a new option to disable this new update ( by default it is set to on )
January 8th, 2019, 18:08
ReverendJ

New update is good, thanks.
January 9th, 2019, 04:49
GavinRuneblade

Quote:

Originally Posted by st4lk3r87

I Uploaded a new version of the extension. I added some restriction based on weapon properties.

If a weapon has the "two-handed" you can't change the mode to "one-handed" or "off-hand" ( Think about all the greataxe, bow, crossbow and so on ).
If a weapon isn't "light" you can't change the mode to "off-hand". ( I added a Dual Wielder checkbox in "Weapon Meta" that ignore the light property rule in this case ).
If a weapon isn't "versatile" you can't change from "one-handed" to "two-handed".

I also added a new option to disable this new update ( by default it is set to on )

Excellent update!
January 9th, 2019, 16:01
birdskull

Very nice, little extension!
January 9th, 2019, 17:49
st4lk3r87

Thank you all for the feedback!!!

Talking about "Weapon Handling" the 5e ruleset doesn't treat correctly the range/throw/melee attack type. I decided to remove options when it doesn't make sense. For example: Making a melee attack with a longbow doesn't make sense. If you want to do it, it has to be treated as an improvised weapon. Same if you decide to throw a "non throwable" weapon. With this new version of the extension the player/gm is not allowed to change attack type if the weapon property doesn't state so. Let me know if you like this approach too. Personally I prefer when the user is not confused by lot of useless options.

I also added a functionality for finesse weapon. The extension will try to use the best ability score modifier, between STR or DEX, when "base" modifier is in use and the "finesse" property is added to the weapon.
January 9th, 2019, 20:01
Moon Wizard

The only drawback with this approach is that you limit the way people play the game. One of the reasons why there are so many options is that people often houserule things, so leaving flexibility to use how you want can be useful.

Not saying that it’s bad, just something to consider.

Regards,
JPG
January 9th, 2019, 22:20
st4lk3r87

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moon Wizard

The only drawback with this approach is that you limit the way people play the game. One of the reasons why there are so many options is that people often houserule things, so leaving flexibility to use how you want can be useful.

Not saying that it’s bad, just something to consider.

Regards,
JPG

Yes I totally agree. That's why I added the option to turn it off. So people have the power to decide. A close to RAW approach or a more Homebrewable one.
January 13th, 2019, 14:44
pablomaz

This is excellent! Thanks!
February 13th, 2019, 15:46
HuseyinCinar

Definitely downloading now! I added a "Take Shield Off" (AC:-2) action to all my PCs for when they switch one-two hands or off hands but the Weapons category was getting clumped up.

I'll add this to my collection for sure.
February 14th, 2019, 13:40
mac40k

This is a rather small cosmetic change and is just my opinion of course, but I think the off hand icon would look better if it was 45 degrees off in the opposite direction.
February 14th, 2019, 20:32
st4lk3r87

Quote:

Originally Posted by mac40k

This is a rather small cosmetic change and is just my opinion of course, but I think the off hand icon would look better if it was 45 degrees off in the opposite direction.

I'm doing a small update which is changing the way how ranged attack and ammunition are working. I'll change the icon too :)
February 15th, 2019, 17:23
Temmpest

What an awesome extension! Great work!
March 18th, 2019, 09:05
Pepor

This is really a cool extension.

Could you please tell me how to activate the Finesse property?

Thanks!
March 18th, 2019, 10:25
Zacchaeus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pepor

This is really a cool extension.

Could you please tell me how to activate the Finesse property?

Thanks!

Fantasy Grounds already handles finesse. If you equip a finesse weapon then FG will use whichever stat is the highest (STR or DEX) to determine your hit and damage bonuses.
March 18th, 2019, 15:16
st4lk3r87

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zacchaeus

Fantasy Grounds already handles finesse. If you equip a finesse weapon then FG will use whichever stat is the highest (STR or DEX) to determine your hit and damage bonuses.

Exactly. I didn't touch that part. I must say it's a bit hardcoded but it delivers :D
March 19th, 2019, 08:57
Pepor

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zacchaeus

Fantasy Grounds already handles finesse. If you equip a finesse weapon then FG will use whichever stat is the highest (STR or DEX) to determine your hit and damage bonuses.

Yes, I knew that. I thought I had to do something else in addition to keep that functionality running because of the first post description.

Thank you both guys!
April 14th, 2019, 04:08
rbtmatrix

This should just be included with the 5e rules set by default.
April 14th, 2019, 05:46
DrakosDJ

I agree, but to be fair, there is a lot of stuff that the community does that should be adopted to be in the 5e ruleset.
April 14th, 2019, 06:05
LordEntrails

Keep in mind, every function or piece of automation added to core FG functionality is just a little more overhead. Meaning each version takes little longer to development and validate. Plus, right now the focus is on FGU, not incorporating every valuable idea into FGC.
April 14th, 2019, 18:14
lostsanityreturned

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordEntrails

Keep in mind, every function or piece of automation added to core FG functionality is just a little more overhead. Meaning each version takes little longer to development and validate. Plus, right now the focus is on FGU, not incorporating every valuable idea into FGC.

Sure, but some elements are impactful enough that they are worth putting into the core ruleset imo.

Spell slot tracking is minor and non necessary. This however requires someone to modify a weapon every time they use it with a different number of hands so the versatile and offhand functionality is just such a huge time saver for groups that change weapons frequently.

I am not going to demand it now, but I do think this is one addon that is worth making core.

That and FGU getting built in better inventory container handling functions :P ;) because doing it via ruleset is clunky.
April 14th, 2019, 19:42
Zacchaeus

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostsanityreturned

That and FGU getting built in better inventory container handling functions :P ;) because doing it via ruleset is clunky.

Since Unity won't be touching rulesets because rulesets need to be compatible with the current version of FG things like this won't change just because of Unity.
April 14th, 2019, 19:49
LordEntrails

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostsanityreturned

Sure, but some elements are impactful enough that they are worth putting into the core ruleset imo.

If you feel they are important, then make sure they are on the wishlist and you vote for them. Link in Mr Z's signature.
April 14th, 2019, 22:39
lostsanityreturned

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordEntrails

If you feel they are important, then make sure they are on the wishlist and you vote for them. Link in Mr Z's signature.

I do?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zacchaeus

Since Unity won't be touching rulesets because rulesets need to be compatible with the current version of FG things like this won't change just because of Unity.

Ever? I was under the impression that it was more of a "get the core of unity out there and everything working before looking at further core improvements" kinda thing.
April 14th, 2019, 23:45
LordEntrails

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostsanityreturned

Ever? I was under the impression that it was more of a "get the core of unity out there and everything working before looking at further core improvements" kinda thing.

No, version 1 of FGU won't have ruleset updates. After that, it will depend. As Mr Z says, while FGC remains supported, any ruleset updates will have to be compatible to both FGC and FGU.

Though this functionality can (obviously) be supported on FGC, other possibilities might not be reasonable on both platforms. We wil have to see.

But, regardless, as I said earlier, the best way to get enhancements is to put them on and vote for them on the wishlist :)
April 22nd, 2019, 05:10
Killer931

Awesome work!
May 27th, 2019, 13:42
Stripe_dog

So when you have a versatile weapon (eg. longsword), it changes the damage dice from 1d8 to 1d10 when you change hands. Would it be possible, then, to have a button that can change damage type? For example, change from 1d8 slashing to 1d8 piercing (not for the longsword specifically but a weapon in general), or 1d8 slashing to 1d4 bludgeoning?

Reason being is I think it'd be neat if players could change how they wield a weapon and thus change the damage and damage type. Like the many ways proper long swords are used to make both piercing (thrusts) and slashing attacks or can be held inverted to strike with the pommel/crossguard (Mordhau technique). I know one could just edit the weapon's damage type and dice manually but it's a bit clunky and not conducive to mid-combat tactic changes.
May 27th, 2019, 17:53
Zacchaeus

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisbadger

So when you have a versatile weapon (eg. longsword), it changes the damage dice from 1d8 to 1d10 when you change hands. Would it be possible, then, to have a button that can change damage type? For example, change from 1d8 slashing to 1d8 piercing (not for the longsword specifically but a weapon in general), or 1d8 slashing to 1d4 bludgeoning?

Reason being is I think it'd be neat if players could change how they wield a weapon and thus change the damage and damage type. Like the many ways proper long swords are used to make both piercing (thrusts) and slashing attacks or can be held inverted to strike with the pommel/crossguard (Mordhau technique). I know one could just edit the weapon's damage type and dice manually but it's a bit clunky and not conducive to mid-combat tactic changes.

No, you would need to add a new weapon line with the specific damage type that you wanted.
May 27th, 2019, 18:01
sorvan76

Excellent. Great work, thank you. :)

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