IF NOT - Untrue Effects

Temporarily reverted to Version 0.3 until future update!

Current Version: 1.0

Functions like IF: ; and IFT: ; except checks if proceeding conditions are absent.

• IFN: condition; - Ignores the remainder of the effect components within the effect label, unless the source actor does not have the specified condition.
• IFTN: condition; - Ignores the remainder of the effect components within the effect label, unless the opposing actor does not have the specified condition.

A note about compatability:

any extensions that modify EffectManager5e/manager_effect_5E may have conflicts; please report any found issues in this forum.

I am new to LUA and XML writing, so updates/improvements may not happen very often.

The extension is available on Forge.


Changelog:

ver. 0.11 - changed load order to 0 to reduce chance of overriding other extensions and added more appropriate logo.
ver. 0.2 - some redundancy removed from script, load order adjusted to 100, added compatability to Advanced Effects by celestian.
ver. 0.3 - fixed compatability for Advanced Effects by celestian.
ver. 1.0 - Significantly improved compatability with extensions that modify EffectManager5E functions.

for anyone here because of duplicate or disabled file/extensions; please navigate to your FGU data/extensions folder and remove any IF Not-Untrue Effects ext files and run an update.
The current file should be named: IF_NOT-untrue_effects_berwind.ext and the extension menu name is Feature: Untrue Effects

Very nice! Thanks for the contribution!

Nice! Welcome to the community! If you want, there's a Discord server with a few of us that are writing free/open source extensions and the like for Fantasy Grounds. There's only ten of us in there, but there's some heavy contributors such as bmos, Kelrugem, MeAndUnique, Saagael and others. All are welcome! And if you so choose, you could host or share your repo with the group so others could help contribute. I promise you'll get food information and advice from these folks - they've been awesome to collaborate/learn from.

https://discord.gg/qpCeDvekKa

Not that the food is necessarily that good. But hey, free is free ;)

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Not that the food is necessarily that good. But hey, free is free ;)

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I've learned a bunch from you guys, just sitting in there and reading. And all the help when I post a question has been awesome.

I'm also learning LUA (mainly to build my own extensions) though i am a absolute begginer. Have you tried the merge rules to merge your script with the existing file? Could this be used to increase compatibility with other extensions, maybe?

Check this link: https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...yering-summary

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I'm also learning LUA (mainly to build my own extensions) though i am a absolute begginer. Have you tried the merge rules to merge your script with the existing file? Could this be used to increase compatibility with other extensions, maybe?

Check this link: https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...yering-summary

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Funnily enough, MeAndUnique just brought that up to me in Discord this morning. I was hoping to look into it next week, but for now I'm going to be lowering the loadorder to help lower the chance of my script overriding another.

Until major improvements are made, I would rather my script be overrode instead of causing another script to not function properly.

Thanks for this EXT very useful, pretty much a must have.

Everything seemed to work well testing in my game, so I've added the update.

ver. 0.2 - some redundancy removed from script, load order adjusted to 100, added compatability to Advanced Effects by celestian. Added an option in menu to apply effects from IFTN without a target.

New menu option to apply IFTN effects without target is not functioning fully as expected, I have disabled it for the time being.

Thanks to Kelgrugem for pointing this out.

When playing with the Kingdoms and Warfare extension, I have found that whenever a creature uses an ability that applies the Recharge effect such as the giant spider's Web ability, or a red dragon's Fire Breath attack, it causes an exception when the effect would normally cause the dice to be rolled to check if the ability recharges.

I've also noticed after this exception occurs, that new effects cannot be applied to any token or entry in the combat tracker, and effects that were already applied to creatures in the initiative order seem not to function as intended, or sometimes at all. Exiting back to the launcher and relaunching the game fixes this until another Recharge is provoked.

Apparently after trial and error, I tracked this bug down to a conflict between your extension and Kingdoms and Warfare. https://github.com/MCDMFG/KingdomsAndWarfare/wiki

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Originally Posted by Fingersome

When playing with the Kingdoms and Warfare extension, I have found that whenever a creature uses an ability that applies the Recharge effect such as the giant spider's Web ability, or a red dragon's Fire Breath attack, it causes an exception when the effect would normally cause the dice to be rolled to check if the ability recharges.

I've also noticed after this exception occurs, that new effects cannot be applied to any token or entry in the combat tracker, and effects that were already applied to creatures in the initiative order seem not to function as intended, or sometimes at all. Exiting back to the launcher and relaunching the game fixes this until another Recharge is provoked.

Apparently after trial and error, I tracked this bug down to a conflict between your extension and Kingdoms and Warfare. https://github.com/MCDMFG/KingdomsAndWarfare/wiki

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When testing in a clean campaign with only Kingdoms and Warfare and Untrue Effects loaded I am unable to reproduce any error. I have used both the Adult Red Dragon and Giant Spider from the SRD.

Can you verify that both extensions are up to date? Also, depending on how long you've had Untrue Effects, it had a file rename early on that could be confounding things; deleting and re-updating FG would clear that up. If not, specific steps taken to generate the error in a fresh campaign, as well as the error text would be very helpful in attempting to resolve this issue.

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Originally Posted by Fingersome

When playing with the Kingdoms and Warfare extension, I have found that whenever a creature uses an ability that applies the Recharge effect such as the giant spider's Web ability, or a red dragon's Fire Breath attack, it causes an exception when the effect would normally cause the dice to be rolled to check if the ability recharges.

I've also noticed after this exception occurs, that new effects cannot be applied to any token or entry in the combat tracker, and effects that were already applied to creatures in the initiative order seem not to function as intended, or sometimes at all. Exiting back to the launcher and relaunching the game fixes this until another Recharge is provoked.

Apparently after trial and error, I tracked this bug down to a conflict between your extension and Kingdoms and Warfare. https://github.com/MCDMFG/KingdomsAndWarfare/wiki

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Sorry for the delay, my priorities have been away from FG modding for a bit.

Can you confirm that you have checked everything MeAndUnique has mentioned?:
Updating both extensions*, creating a brand new campaign to test

*(Navigate to your extensions folder, if you see two different Untrue Effects files, delete both and update FG)

If so and as MeAndUnique again mentioned, provide specific steps taken to help me reproduce the bug. A screenshot or log of the error on top of this would be very helpful.

hi, any one have some exemple for 5e content? just to make sur i understand before get it.

regards

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Originally Posted by plap3014

hi, any one have some exemple for 5e content? just to make sur i understand before get it.

regards

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Hey plap, the extension was created for 5E D&D, there is an attatchment on the main forum page.

Also pasting it here for your convenience.
https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...6&d=1649190973

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Originally Posted by MeAndUnique

When testing in a clean campaign with only Kingdoms and Warfare and Untrue Effects loaded I am unable to reproduce any error. I have used both the Adult Red Dragon and Giant Spider from the SRD.

Can you verify that both extensions are up to date? Also, depending on how long you've had Untrue Effects, it had a file rename early on that could be confounding things; deleting and re-updating FG would clear that up. If not, specific steps taken to generate the error in a fresh campaign, as well as the error text would be very helpful in attempting to resolve this issue.

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I'm *fairly* certain both extensions are up to date, since I acquired both through Forge, so there is no reason they shouldn't be.
When you say delete and re-update Fantasy Grounds, you mean the entire program? I'm sure I could do that, but i'd need to back up a few things.

I've tried it in a fresh campaign using only those extensions, which seems to suggest that it is due to the file renaming you mention.
I've generated logs of the error, though i'm not sure which ones are important, this one seems to contain the actual exception...? https://pastebin.com/YRg6pAuD

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Originally Posted by Fingersome

I'm *fairly* certain both extensions are up to date, since I acquired both through Forge, so there is no reason they shouldn't be.
When you say delete and re-update Fantasy Grounds, you mean the entire program? I'm sure I could do that, but i'd need to back up a few things.

I've tried it in a fresh campaign using only those extensions, which seems to suggest that it is due to the file renaming you mention.
I've generated logs of the error, though i'm not sure which ones are important, this one seems to contain the actual exception...? https://pastebin.com/YRg6pAuD

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No need to reinstall all of FG, just the Untrue Effects extension (assuming that is the case). Click the folder icon in the top-left of the FG Launcher to open your FG data folder, and then go to "extensions" from there.

I heard it may be possible to use this effect to create an armor with the following effect:

"A creature that grapples you or you grapple takes 1d4 piercing damage at the start of your turns"

I understand just about everything about this except for how to make this effect last until the grapple/grappled condition is dropped. do you think it's possible? I am using stuff like Equipped Effects, Automatic Effects, Advanced Effects, Kit'N'Kaboodle and all the others in that similar vein

I don't think you need to use this EXT for what you looking to do, this is for the use of the other way around.

You want something like.

Spikey Armor; IF: CUSTOM(Grappled); DMGO: 1d4 piercing
- Use this onto the target that you are grappling.

Spikey Armor; DMGO: 1d4 piercing
-Use this onto the target that is grappling you.


Personally, I would use the second one for both cases. Just remove it once you remove grapple.

I'm noticing this ext is conflicting with Advanced Effects EXT which causing Advanced Effects to not use the "ACTION ONLY" triggering on item, it will apply it to the creature/pc in all cases instead of when only using that item/weapon.

You can hit me up on discord if you would like.

Random find: had a creature with a breath weapon (with the recharge effect) in the CT. If the breath weapon was available, while using the down-arrow to move through CT entries, all was well. But if the ability was used, needing a recharge roll when INIT arrived on its CT entry, it would throw an error (not there when extension was disabled).

Script execution error: [string "scriptsmanager_effect_untrue.lua"]: 78: attempt to call global 'applyRecharge' (a nil value)

Sorry, focus has been away from forum for a while as I've been prepping for running a new system.

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Random find: had a creature with a breath weapon (with the recharge effect) in the CT. If the breath weapon was available, while using the down-arrow to move through CT entries, all was well. But if the ability was used, needing a recharge roll when INIT arrived on its CT entry, it would throw an error (not there when extension was disabled).

Script execution error: [string "scriptsmanager_effect_untrue.lua"]: 78: attempt to call global 'applyRecharge' (a nil value)

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I am still unable to reproduce this issue with recharging, are there any other extensions that you are running that may be causing a conflict; and are you using the most up-to-date version of the extension?

The following changes have been made in version 0.3:

• improved compatability with Advanced Effects

Thank you to those in the Fantasy Grounds Unoffical Developer's Guild.

The apply recharge error is an interaction between Untrue effects and ongoing save effects by Kent McCullough https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...g-Save-Effects

I was able to reproduce by having only these two extension active. Only happens if both are active not just one

Script execution error: [string "..rue_effects_berwind:..r_effect_untrue.lua"]:84: attempt to call global 'applyRecharge' (a nil value)

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Originally Posted by 0m0n

The apply recharge error is an interaction between Untrue effects and ongoing save effects by Kent McCullough https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...g-Save-Effects

I was able to reproduce by having only these two extension active. Only happens if both are active not just one

Script execution error: [string "..rue_effects_berwind:..r_effect_untrue.lua"]:84: attempt to call global 'applyRecharge' (a nil value)

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I'm sorry to say, this is something that I will likely not touch in a timely manner.
I do not have access to that extension as I use an alternative extension called Better Combat Effects. I would be more willing to make a patch if they did not charge for their extension as it would require me to salvage some of their code, I'm not comfortable borrowing from a paid extensions code. The only thing left for me to do is try to gain more experience in creating extensions to make my script more my own and less volatile.

TL;DR: I need to do a complete rewrite and I'm very inexperienced.

Update: I believe I have fixed compatability issues, however I still do not have access to extensions reported to be conflicts. I also have not played 5E in some time. Please continue to provide feedback!

As a result of the 2024 update, the updated version of this extension no longer functions.

I have reverted to an older working version until I can update the extension.
This older version appears to work with both 2014 and 2024 versions of the game, though may not work with some extensions.

I just did some testing, it seems that IFTN is not working right now. I tested with the simple case IFTN:Wounded; DISATK; and it doesn't matter who's wounded at all, they always roll with disadvantage.
It seems like IFN is working exactly as intended, though. IFN:Wounded; DISATK; is giving disadvantage when the creature is healthy, but rolling fine while wounded.

This is true for an empty campaign with no extensions.


I also want to say, thank you for this extension! It's really nice to be able to filter against things like this, my main use is something akin to Compelled Duel where the target has disadvantage against anything other than one enemy.

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I just did some testing, it seems that IFTN is not working right now. I tested with the simple case IFTN:Wounded; DISATK; and it doesn't matter who's wounded at all, they always roll with disadvantage.
It seems like IFN is working exactly as intended, though. IFN:Wounded; DISATK; is giving disadvantage when the creature is healthy, but rolling fine while wounded.

This is true for an empty campaign with no extensions.


I also want to say, thank you for this extension! It's really nice to be able to filter against things like this, my main use is something akin to Compelled Duel where the target has disadvantage against anything other than one enemy.

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I can also confirm this.

Not trying to plug a paid ext over a free one but you can get this feature in Better Combat Effects Gold, this one has not been working for a while and that might be a good option for people.

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Originally Posted by MrDDT

Not trying to plug a paid ext over a free one but you can get this feature in Better Combat Effects Gold, this one has not been working for a while and that might be a good option for people.

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I was not aware of that functionality...! I will have to lookie for it in the manual.

Any idea if this works with other rulesets? I could really do with this in Classic 2E for some 1E customisation I am working on.

Hmmm, just tried it, by editing extension.xml, changing Ruleset to Any and rezipping it. Looks like it works.

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Not trying to plug a paid ext over a free one but you can get this feature in Better Combat Effects Gold, this one has not been working for a while and that might be a good option for people.

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May I ask what function replicates the IFNOT command? Scoured through the instructions but couldn't find anything that replicates it.

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May I ask what function replicates the IFNOT command? Scoured through the instructions but couldn't find anything that replicates it.

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Note this works with BCEG.

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!IF:

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Code:

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!IFT: CUSTOM(name);

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You can also use it in other ways.

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Friendly Giants; IFT: !TYPE(giant); ATK: 10

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Compel Duel; !IFT: CUSTOM(Compelled Duel); DISATK; (C)

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This works exactly like the first post example.

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Dueling; IF: WEAPON(!heavy); DMG: 2, melee

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This last example would be if you want to exclude anything with heavy in it at all even if others are present.

Test them out and you can start seeing what they do.

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Note this works with BCEG.

Test them out and you can start seeing what they do.

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So what I've been trying to do is make it so, as long as my Paladin isn't Incapacitated, his Aura of Protection is active. To do this, I've made the following code:

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Aura of Protection; !IF: Incapacitated; AURA: 10 friend, auraofprotection; SAVE: [CHA]

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However, the bonus to saves still applies while Incapacitated, as does the aura itself. I'm wondering how it should be done, if possible, as my syntax doesn't seem to react with it.

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Originally Posted by metaldm007

So what I've been trying to do is make it so, as long as my Paladin isn't Incapacitated, his Aura of Protection is active. To do this, I've made the following code:

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Aura of Protection; !IF: Incapacitated; AURA: 10 friend, auraofprotection; SAVE: [CHA]

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However, the bonus to saves still applies while Incapacitated, as does the aura itself. I'm wondering how it should be done, if possible, as my syntax doesn't seem to react with it.

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Few things wrong with this code. Would you like to text over discord instead?
Also likely need to move this to AURA CODING forum post and not here.

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Originally Posted by MrDDT

Few things wrong with this code. Would you like to text over discord instead?
Also likely need to move this to AURA CODING forum post and not here.

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Sorry for the late response, had a sess the day of. Just joined the discord, I'll make a post there.