Do Players have access to the Token Selection Tool?

As DM I can access the Token Selection Tool, but when my players right-clicked on an image they couldn't. We're looking for a way they can select multiple tokens -- e.g., targeting for a fireball or something.

The Wiki says, "Token Selection Tool: Use the token selection tool to select a group of tokens. The token selection tool can be activated via the Image window toolbar or by right clicking on the image and selecting the Selection Modes->Token Selection Mode. Click and drag the box around the tokens to select. SHIFT-click and drag to drag a freehand region around the tokens to select." but doesn't specify it's GM only.

A follow on... do players also have access to the Image window toolbar? Again, they tried to unlock the image to access the toolbar but couldn't. I'm guessing the answer to both is a setting I, the GM, have to change, but unsure.

My thanks!

CTRL left click is how Ido it. Never used the token selection tool :0

When I was playing in a game from one of the GM‘s in our gaming group, I remember it is possible for players to e.g. select all adventurers at once, e.g. for healing by clicking on the icons on the top of the map. I‘m sure others can describe it better.

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Originally Posted by Targas

When I was playing in a game from one of the GM‘s in our gaming group, I remember it is possible for players to e.g. select all adventurers at once, e.g. for healing by clicking on the icons on the top of the map. I‘m sure others can describe it better.

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Oh, yea, you can click the green/yellow/red helmets to select all ally/neutral/enemies.

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Originally Posted by LordEntrails

Oh, yea, you can click the green/yellow/red helmets to select all ally/neutral/enemies.

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Thanks. I was hoping they would have access to the selection tool, but that’ll work in a pinch then they can deselect the ones they don’t want (out of range, etc.) with CTRL-left click.

The players can access the token selection tools, but the GM must unlock the image for the players to see it. Without unlocking the image, the players can click on the first token, then Shift-Click on the next, and Shift-Click on the next, and so on.

As Andraax says, the players will only get the "Selection Mode" button (3x3 square dots, usually in the top left) if the toolbar is visible. It isn't available to players via the right-click menu, only the toolbar. This will only be visible to the players if the GM also has the toolbar visible visible (unlocked the image).

Also, the Selection Mode button will only allow players to select creatures tagged as Friendly on the combat tracker - they can't select any other tokens, manually or with multi-select.

The selection tool in general is poorly implemented, it's more of a GM tool given players can't "select" enemy tokens as they're meant only to target them.

The visual indicator is also pretty bad as it's a backing graphic vs one that actually surrounds the token.

I use a work-around, but tbh I hope Jen puts the UI in order. I'd grab a bag of popcorn though and see how to she gets lost in a tangle of lua/xml though ;)

https://i.imgur.com/mKn1jDN.gif

Thanks for the clarification on how this works. I appreciate the help with these questions!

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Originally Posted by Ken L

The visual indicator is also pretty bad as it's a backing graphic vs one that actually surrounds the token. I use a work-around, but tbh I hope Jen puts the UI in order. I'd grab a bag of popcorn though and see how to she gets lost in a tangle of lua/xml though ;)

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The token selection indicator is engine-side, so that would be me. I've improved the selection display for FGU, but it is still problematic for square tokens. I like what you've done in the example. It is worth exploring.

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Originally Posted by pindercarl

it is still problematic for square tokens

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is it because tokens are square, or just tokens that fill the grid space entirely?

Attachment 25064

here is my "square" token that i was advised to be able to grab the token to use a 1% transparency, to give all points of the token to be selected, but the background is 100% to show the bounds of the actual token area.
https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...chmentid=25064

and here again is what they look like with the 1% background.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...38/preview.png

you can see in the first image that there is actually negative space still around the token as there would be with a "round" token. is it that the "square" token is square or fills the entire grid space?

does a hex token have the same problem on the hex grid? does a square token on a hex grid? does a round token on a hex grid?

do i need to add more negative space around my "square" tokens to be able to avoid this problem?
or
do square tokens with negative space around them alleviate this problem, and only the tokens that fill the square grid cause it by the non-alpha space reaching the grid bounds?

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Originally Posted by shadzar

is it because tokens are square, or just tokens that fill the grid space entirely?

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The comment was a reference to FGU. Yes, the issue is that the selection indicator is round, so much of it is hidden behind the square token. If you consider the bounds of a token as defined by a box, using the diagonal extents works well for square tokens, but makes the selection larger than desired for a round token. Use the horizontal or vertical bounds, and it works well for round tokens, but it is small for square tokens. Corner brackets may be a good solution for tokens regardless of the bounds.

so absolutely no way to future proof tokens, since it is the geometry engine when selecting them that is causing the issues?

It has more to do with the how the UI is set up relative to the shape and size of the tokens. Carl is talking about finding a solution that works equally well for square and round tokens.

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right, optimum solution, make sure it works for all tokens shapes. that is how one would think best to do it. ;)

but again i ask, what about hex tokens? are they considered and treated like "round" due to their shape? does FGU still include hex grids?
does the issue exist with FG3 when selecting a hex token due to the selection geometry?

maybe i am confused on Ken's image since it show a square marquee selection but FG is to my understanding by Carl's statement using round selection geometry?

even small amounts of FGU news is news, and inquiring minds want to know! ;)

Round, in this context, is only referring to the selection indicator. Tokens do not have an implicit shape based on grid-type. And, yes, FGU has hex grids.

All it does is create 4 widgets anchored off the center of the token with token-width*scalefactor and token-height*scalefactor plus an offset. That way it doesn't matter what the shape of the token is, the widgets 'contain' it, and scale with it when the token scales. Ideally FG can do the same by making the graphic scale up a little larger than the token. Center anchoring is because of the wonky behavior of the corner anchors.

I have similar graphics for active and targeted so my players stop attacking themselves.

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Originally Posted by Ken L

I have similar graphics for active and targeted so my players stop attacking themselves.

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I'm all for letting my players attack themselves, and each other :) You know, the chaos of combat and all!