Fate Core?

I imagine that at least someone will want to run Fate Core or Fate Accelerated at FG Con, or run a live campaign at some point. What I'm wondering is whether anyone is working on bringing these games to FG. I am very new to FG, so this question probably sounds like someone reinventing the wheel.

I'm wondering if there is a set that:

1. Rolls 4dF
2. Tracks the Fate Point economy (players gain and spend points constantly as aspects are involved, situational aspects are created, and they fail or succeed at tasks)
3. Has a place to note all the Scene Aspects that get created
4. Enables the players to track Stress and Consequences
5. Lets the GM see at a glance which players have which Aspects so they can be easily Compelled

How difficult is that to accomplish? I know I can't do it myself, at least on my own, due to my lack of knowledge of XML/LUA -- but is someone both able to do it and interested in the task? And what is involved in doing it?

Valarian was running a Fate Core game last September, and he has some community rulesets he has put together.

The link from his sig:
Valarian's Fantasy Grounds Rulesets

I'm not sure how much of the rules that his systems support, but he is providing them to the community to use.

Regards,
JPG

The Dresden Files ruleset works for running Fate Core.

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Originally Posted by Michael Hopcroft

I'm wondering if there is a set that:
1. Rolls 4dF
2. Tracks the Fate Point economy (players gain and spend points constantly as aspects are involved, situational aspects are created, and they fail or succeed at tasks)
3. Has a place to note all the Scene Aspects that get created
4. Enables the players to track Stress and Consequences
5. Lets the GM see at a glance which players have which Aspects so they can be easily Compelled

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More detailed reply now I'm not on the mobile.

1. Yes, though I've not updated to the FG3 CoreRPG yet so the graphics are d6 rather than the nifty new Fudge dice graphics.
2. Yes, the Fate points are recorded (refresh/current) on the character sheet.
3. Not specifically. I tend to use a shared Note or Story item for this.
4. Yes, the Stress Tracks are on the character sheet.
5. The GM has visibility over all the character sheets.
I was even starting to play with a double-click on the aspect line giving the message: <name> invokes <aspect> for a player character, or: GM compels <aspect> for the GM double-clicking the aspect.

Happy to do a demo at some point one evening, if time zones are compatible. Or I can crunch up a demo campaign file for you to look at, which would allow you to look at the ruleset. If running the demo campaign in the unregistered/lite versions the same restrictions apply to the standard ones. You can't save or create stuff, only use what's already there, and the connections are limited to a single player.

I am also interested in this ruleset. I downloaded the Dresden one, is most recent one?

A Core Fate Core would be nice...

I've managed to copy over one my my Fate Core characters into the DF set. It looks a bit different but should be nice and functional.

That doesn't mean I wouldn't like to see a dedicated Fate Core ruleset, or a mode dedicated adaptation of another set. Sadly, I got an unpleasant reminder at work today about the limits of my skills with syntax (in writing spreadsheet formulas, an easier task than codeing XML).

Current future plans for Fate are a CoreRPG Fate Core with some basic OGL/CC libraries (I'll have to investigate what I can do under the licenses). I'm planning on having some sort of customisable interface for the number/type of stress tracks and skill lists. I'm hoping some basic XML tables will cover this with some Lua initialisation scripting. I'm also hoping that the extension layering will allow me to do all of this as extensions of CoreRPG, rather than a Fate version of CoreRPG with flavour extensions for the various Fate games.

Quite when I'll have the time to do all this and everything else I want to do, I have no idea.

Fate Core is also licensed under Creative Commons CC-BY, which is much much better than the OGL. Under CC-BY you'll just have to make a clear statement that your resource is powered by Fate Core by Evil Hat, and nothing more. See https://www.faterpg.com/licensing/licensing-fate-cc-by/ for more details.

As far as I know, Fate Core is the most open serious rpg there is, going even further than Eclipse Phase.

As for Fate Accelerated and other various flavors of Fate, I think a lot of work can be done with Extensions, and/or children rulesets.

If you do a CoreRPG Fate Core ruleset and need help with graphics, drop me a PM, I'll happily lend a hand.

I would love a robust FATE ruleset (SOF and DF seem to be buggy) and I am willing to wait however long it takes. I certainly understand that people capable of making these kind of rulesets have other (and more important) obligations!

"SOF and DF seem to be buggy" ... In what way?
The Spirit of the Century extension is based on the (really) old Foundation project started by Smiteworks before it changed hands. It is character sheet only and very basic in functionality.
The Dresden Files ruleset is based on a community Base ruleset project. It's got Character Sheet, NPC Sheet and Combat Tracker. I've used it for several games myself. I don't consider this one buggy and would appreciate a list of any issues you've found.

DF seems to hate my tokens. When I place them on a map, I get a weird error. I was using effects in the combat tracker to place aspects on NPCs and PCs and my players could only see the first one placed. All my GM rolls are hidden from the players. When my players would close certain maps, I'd get an error message. When a PC makes an input on his PC sheet (or I make on on his, like checking a stress box) we have to close and open for the other person to see the effect.

Maybe this is a result of the latest FG updates? Maybe it's purely operator error or something on my side.

I'm not complaining though! It works well enough to use FATE so I'm happy. Just stating that if something a little more robust came out, that would be great too.

GM rolls default to hidden in all rulesets. Use /die reveal to set the option to show all GM rolls. In a newer ruleset, I'll be using the options menu.
I also use effects to put aspects on to players in the combat tracker. The players see the effects as a comma delimited list under their name. This is standard effects functionality not something I've touched.
I could do with some examples on the image/token errors. I've not seen any of those, but I don't tend to heavily use maps. Sounds a bit strange though. Are the tokens off the combat tracker, or from the token box? Interference from the new targeting functionality maybe?

I think the character sheet update issue is a common problem in all rulesets. You have to shift tabs or close/open the character sheet to see updates that the GM puts on to the sheet. I've seen update collisions on some objects, where both player and GM update the same thing in a short space of time, though I don't think it was with this ruleset.

Good to know about the hidden rolls, that was a bit of a pain. Thanks! The tokens are drawn from the combat tracker. It's not a big deal, I just let the debug screen run quietly in the background. Shifting tabs is much better than close/open, thanks for that tip too.

In case it's of interest, I did a FATE Accelerated character sheet for CoreRPG. It was posted in the Armory: https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...-%28FateRPG%29

Probably could work for FATE Core without too much difficulty. I track Fate points using an abstract image with tokens as fate points, for the record.

I too would love a Fate Core ruleset with extensions to customize the different iterations of the rules. I want to run The Demolished Ones. I managed to prepare most of it using images, templates and tokens with the CoreRPG and I think it's going to work fine since Fate is rules lite. But yeah, the whole idea of running things on FG over other VTTs is the automation. Von Stalhein's ruleset is great but it's FATE Accelerated, I needed the Fate Core. Playtesting FATE to new FATE players for the first time I wanted something that wouldn't confuse them. Dresden Files works great also but my main pet peeve about is that there are no fudge dice and the d6 is used to emulate them. I'm also unsure how it would respond to the FG 3.0.2 upgrade. Coming from Savage Worlds where that upgrade initially created many bugs I opted not to take a chance. I know it's anal retentive on my part so take it for what it's worth.Attachment 6064

The Dresden Files ruleset works with the 3.0.2 update, as it has on the previous v3 ones. The native Fudge dice aren't there though as I've not merged it yet with CoreRPG. Though that may just be a case of changing the model used in the dF custom die definition.

@Valarian: That's what I did. It works with the FG3 Core FATE die.
@Mask: I'd give the Dresden Files a few more whirls before giving up on it. With the FATE/FUDGE die added as in the native FG3 Core (it involves getting rid of all the die setup code and calling up the dF in the startup code). Myself, I'm working on a generic set that that allows more collaboration (building settings, etc.) and having "index cards" available for use. However it's a long way from being finished and I wouldn't hold my breath waiting. BTW who said FATE was Rules Lite? Sure the mechanics are simple, but knowing when and where to use them is another matter; not to mention the fact that it's more of a collaborative effort to get the game setting and characters up and running. I usually refer to this type of game (specifically FATE Core and Toolkit) as rules distributed. :)

Cheers,
SF

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@Valarian: That's what I did. It works with the FG3 Core FATE die.
@Mask: I'd give the Dresden Files a few more whirls before giving up on it. With the FATE/FUDGE die added as in the native FG3 Core (it involves getting rid of all the die setup code and calling up the dF in the startup code). Myself, I'm working on a generic set that that allows more collaboration (building settings, etc.) and having "index cards" available for use. However it's a long way from being finished and I wouldn't hold my breath waiting. BTW who said FATE was Rules Lite? Sure the mechanics are simple, but knowing when and where to use them is another matter; not to mention the fact that it's more of a collaborative effort to get the game setting and characters up and running. I usually refer to this type of game (specifically FATE Core and Toolkit) as rules distributed. :)

Cheers,
SF

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All I meant by rules lite is you don't need a lot of complicated things on the character sheet to run it. Proof is I set it up on the core ruleset. Image of Health tracker, skills, aspects and stunts can be added as needed on the sheet. Keep in mind I'm running the Demolished Ones. Only the basic elements that define FATE as it's core (at least in my opinion) are used in this mini-set/ adventure. That's why I chose it. Never played Fate but have read several books. Dresden Files, Spirit of the Century and Legend of Anglerre (to name a few) are a different beast. I'll give you that :)

Two of the next three game ideas I've put forward to my group for Sunday nights are Fate Core. The selected game will start around Easter. Either a Stargate team or a game in a world of zombies.

@ Valarien: If you need any Zombie fighters, I'm game. Despise them. Never met one I liked (they aren't too talkative, mind you). :D I played Stargate (the one based off the Spycraft system) and found it a reasonable approximation with the early seasons, fighting the Goa'uld, but as soon as you hit the replicators or the Aurai, it kind of fell apart. I'd be curious to know how you plan to work around this. I personally found when it was switched to a later Stargate: Atlantis setting things ran a little more smoothly. With FATE I managed to get a good gel with Battlestar Galactica (new series, not old) and moved Cyberpunk 2030 successfully; but I'm still (after a while) working my way through the Toolkit to better handle SyFy the way I think it should be run - not so pulpy, and with a little more player involvement. Any suggestions?

@ Mask: Sorry for the misunderstanding. Actually I've run one game of FATE right off the CoreRPG, and actually, for the Demolished Ones, it seems a perfect fit. I was thinking along the lines of the other games you mentioned, Notably SoTC and The Dresden Files. Try FATE Core at some point, if for nothing but an interesting read. It has a lot of optional (not that everything is "optional" in RPGs:)) rules that can ease any player and GM into the system. It's a Pay-What-You-Want product on RPGNow, and well worth the donation. It even impressed me enough to pick up the hardcopies (gosh, I love books :D).

Cheers,
SF

Fate should be able to scale up as far as needed. The Ori would have some nice aspects. I'll be using the setting, not the system.

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Originally Posted by S Ferguson

@ Mask: Sorry for the misunderstanding. Actually I've run one game of FATE right off the CoreRPG, and actually, for the Demolished Ones, it seems a perfect fit. I was thinking along the lines of the other games you mentioned, Notably SoTC and The Dresden Files. Try FATE Core at some point, if for nothing but an interesting read. It has a lot of optional (not that everything is "optional" in RPGs:)) rules that can ease any player and GM into the system. It's a Pay-What-You-Want product on RPGNow, and well worth the donation. It even impressed me enough to pick up the hardcopies (gosh, I love books :D).

Cheers,
SF

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Yep, got it. The toolkit too. I'm a rpgnow junkie lol

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Originally Posted by Valarian

Fate should be able to scale up as far as needed. The Ori would have some nice aspects. I'll be using the setting, not the system.

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Just off the top of my hat, how would you set up the setting aspects? FATE will do pretty much everything, I'm just trying to wrap my head around the character/setting aspect phase. Everybody would probably know someone through, say, military service, or reputation, so that's taken care of; what would be an example of the setting aspects (I can think of a few but they're anything but original :p).

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Yep, got it. The toolkit too. I'm a rpgnow junkie lol

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Ditto. And I really LOVE the pay what you want deals. :) Lol. Not too often you can pick up five decent games for a fin.

Cheers,
SF

Stargate SG-1 - Season 9 Aspects
Stargate Command is a secret programme (common through all of the series I would think)
SGC Mission is to protect Earth
Department of Homeworld Security
Threat from the Ori and their followers
The Ori are Ascended Beings
The Priors have strange powers
Galactic Supergates are being built

It was only "secret" until the beginning of SG:A when civilians came in, I think it went semi-public to full public in SG:Universe. For Stargate, it was need-to-know amongst the Russians and Americans, and only a few civvies were "let in on the secret," Jackson being a prime example. But don't quote me on this, it's been a while since I've seen it.

I think it's secret throughout. You still need clearance to know about the Stargate. What does change is that it goes beyond just the US and Russia, becoming an international thing. Still not public, but known to most government leaders.

IIRC, at the end of the original movie O'Neill (or the analogous character played by Kurt Russell) decided to destroy the Stargate from the Earth side (he was originally going to do it on the alien-planet side, but ended up using the bomb elsewhere and would have had to go back to Earth for another one anyway). Which begs the question of why an Earth that didn't want contact with the aliens would bother with Stargate Command and not simply blow up the gates wherever they found them oN Earth and deny aliens access to the planet that way?

I also don't know what happened with the producers and RPG designer Richard Tucholka. His game Fringeworthy was about ten years before Stargate and he had reason to believe his intellectual property had been stolen by the studio.

Made a start on a CoreRPG version of a Fate Core ruleset. The main character sheet windows are laid out. I just need to add the content.
The main tab will be based on the current Dresden Files layout (see below). I'll post a comparison screenshot when the tab is complete.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-D...-char-main.jpg

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I'm still (after a while) working my way through the Toolkit to better handle SyFy the way I think it should be run - not so pulpy, and with a little more player involvement. Any suggestions?

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May want to cast an eye over Mindjammer - Sarah Newton is updating her setting (originally for Starblazer Adventures) to Fate Core.
https://mindjammerpress.com/

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May want to cast an eye over Mindjammer - Sarah Newton is updating her setting (originally for Starblazer Adventures) to Fate Core.
https://mindjammerpress.com/

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There is also Diaspora, the "hard science" FATE driven RPG. It's quite good, and definitely *not* pulpy.

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There is also Diaspora, the "hard science" FATE driven RPG. It's quite good, and definitely *not* pulpy.

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Didn't like Diaspora so much as others. I like Bulldogs!, Starblazers and Mindjammers. Diaspora didn't hook me, as a game, I think because of all the "sub-game" stuff.

It takes time getting used to when and where to play the mini-games but the science is up to snuff, but as with any FATE product, you can pick and choose what you use. Right now I'm working with Apothesis: Drive X, a beta for 'mech combat. Between the two, I have come up with a pretty good treatment of Starship Troopers, by R.A. Heinlein, and the Forever War by Joseph Haldeman (the latter being one of my favorite science novel aside from the first - I'd include The Man Who Folded Himself by David Gerrald, but haven't had the time to work out the paradox mechanism for insane time-travel).

Start of the new ruleset. Slow going so far as I'm getting used to the new CoreRPG ways of doing stuff.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-W...enshot0024.png
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Made a start on a CoreRPG version of a Fate Core ruleset. The main character sheet windows are laid out. I just need to add the content.
The main tab will be based on the current Dresden Files layout (see below). I'll post a comparison screenshot when the tab is complete.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-D...-char-main.jpg

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Wow, I love that background with the ladder included. Looks great, can't wait to use it.

Just got the skills list in - not got the double-click die rolling sorted yet. The Dresden Files ruleset is functional for Fate Core use, I've used it for that myself. Just ignore the Social stress track. I'm just updating the ruleset and building on the CoreRPG ruleset. I'll do an SRD library eventually as well (under the CC-BY license). The aspects can be compelled (GM) or invoked (player) by double-clicking them. I intend to do some sort of addition/subtraction to current Fate points when I've got that on the sheet.

Then on to Gumshoe - beyond the basic character sheet I've done so far.

If I could ask for a feature request (and to make it more FATE Core): Could you leave a section for the game aspects. Those are just as likely to change as the character's but they really are a separate entity which players and GMs participate in. The GMs game setting rules could be vast, but the game world's connection to the characters is, just as character creation is, a crucial point of the game.

Anything needed beyond a shared note or story item?

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Anything needed beyond a shared note or story item?

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I was thinking more in terms of an "index card" or "post it note" system (if you could work that out) so that characters and GMs can pass around and having the characters' setting aspect stick. This is usually done verbally, so a section in the character sheet that can be added to, and subtracted from, (a fairly easy task within the CoreRPG) would probably solve the problem. It could be placed under the character's aspects, as "Story Aspects." In this box, for lack of a better word, the characters can list the two (more or less) aspects for the story, and their relation to the setting would go in their aspect box. It's really not much. I just like all the information the PCs need on the character sheet. Otherwise it seems to be looking good.