4E Ruleset v2.0 Coming to Test

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January 26th, 2010, 23:38
Moon Wizard

4E Ruleset v2.0 Coming to Test

Hello to all the brave souls who like to test the latest and greatest. On Jan. 28, I made the 4E v2.0 ruleset available on the test version of FG. I'd like to let a few of the braver souls have a chance to look through the ruleset to catch any last minute issues before releasing to the general public.

As part of the update, the launcher has been modified to allow you to convert your 4E_JPG campaigns to the recently renamed 4E ruleset with the click of a button on the Load Campaigns screen. However, the conversion is one-way. If you want to change it back, then you will need to modify the campaign.xml file in your campaigns directory manually.

If you need to access the Test Mode Manager tool, information can be found in this thread.

Here is a link to the release notes.

Original Test Release - Jan. 26
Latest Test Release - Feb. 2

Cheers,
JPG
January 27th, 2010, 23:17
Griogre

I have a game on Friday so I'd be happy to try it and let you know if we find anything. I've heard good things about the v2.0 and want to thank you for all the hard work.
January 28th, 2010, 09:47
Kalan

While I don't have any games planned atm - once I get my FG updated proper, I'd be willing to have a lookee over it (as I hope to get back into 4E online, and FG in particular).

I'll check out the thread you name above to get more info :)
January 28th, 2010, 17:09
Moon Wizard

The 4E ruleset has been moved to the Test Mode for Fantasy Grounds.

Please report any issues that you find to this thread. Release notes to come.

Cheers,
JPG
January 29th, 2010, 01:47
Moon Wizard

Moved this thread from publishers forum to test forum where it belongs. v2.0 ruleset release notes are in the works (taking a little more time than I thought to organize).

JPG
January 29th, 2010, 08:58
Moon Wizard

Original post updated with release notes.
January 29th, 2010, 09:30
Zeus

moon_wizard - a couple of minor things I have noticed whilst setting up ahead of my usual Friday night game tonight.

1) The new convert to 4E feature for rulesets doesn't make the conversion permanent until the first time the ruleset is started and then shutdown. Consequently as soon as I convert an older ruleset to the new 4E version, extensions for 4E are not listed but older 4E_JPG extensions are. 4E extensions only appear once you have started the converted campaign and returned to the launcher. Its not a big deal as long as you remember to disable any older extensions, start your campaign once and return to the launcher.

2) The Die Tower icon/panel on the desktop glitches down and to the right when you hover a die over the tower. Seems to be the same in all themes so I suspect the dicetower_drop image is mis-bound/positioned by a couple of pixels.

3) The Notes windowlist tab_title image seems to render at a smaller scale than on the other book windowlists. Looking at the graphic files title_notes.png seems to be much larger than its counterparts (111x661 vs 30x177) not sure what happened there as I thought I had created them all at the same size. I will re-send on a modified notes tab image shortly.

4) Player Name labels under the Portraits on the desktop clip slightly on the lower edge.

Also I had to re-drop PC/NPC's in to the CT (of the newly converted campaign) to refresh entries. I'm guessing some users might also have to? Not sure.
January 29th, 2010, 14:47
Brenn

Loaded it and just goofed a bit. This looks great and the robust effects are a godsend.

I'll actually play it this weekend. Will my players have to do the test mode thing too, since only the ruleset is changing?
January 29th, 2010, 15:15
tdewitt274
In the "Modifiers" window,
- When typing in a new "Modifier", the tails on the fonts are cut off. For example, "Flanking" looks more like "Flanko"
- Also, If the player has the "Modifier" window open and the GM adds a new Modifier, the blank record is visible. If the GM switches it to "GM" from "VSBL", it still shows in the Player view. However, if you change the value of the modifier, they cannot see the new value until another new item is created, but still visible even in "GM".
In the GM Combat Tracker,
- When using the Extended Rest, the monsters don't heal themselves.
- The Wounds reflects some odd behavior, not sure if this is expected. After adding enemies through the "Encounter" context, the scrolling through the Wounds (CTRL and Scroll Wheel, not clicking on the Wound cell) works as expected (colors change when you hit the thresholds of bloody and dying, Player tracker is updated onScroll). However, if you go back to the character and click on the Wound cell then scroll again, the colors do not change when you hit the thresholds. You need to click on the Wounds to "register" the colors. Clicking on the cell updates the Player's tracker. Typing the number in works normally.
For "Options",
- I had the AutoRoll NPC Initiative set to "On" and moving them from the Encounter context did not roll the Initiative. Moving them individually from the Encounter context did not populate an Initiative either. The "Add NPCs to Combat Tracker" did not populate the Initiative. However, the Group did work correctly in all situations.
If you need screen shots or clarifications, let me know.

I'd also like to say, great work!
January 30th, 2010, 02:29
Moon Wizard

Thanks for the feedback so far.

Zephp, I was able to clean up all the items you noted, though I'm not sure why you had to re-drop the CT entries other than to reset the attacks for NPCs.

tdewitt274,
* Modifier font cutoff. I'm not seeing the fonts getting cut off on my end. Are you using one of the themes? Or can you send me a screenshot?
* Modifier visibility. You caught an interesting bug related to buttons with states and shared windows. I'll need to work a little on this one.
* NPC resting. It's on the wish list for a future version of the ruleset.
* Mouse wheel and wound coloration. Got it.
* Auto-roll NPC initiative set to On, and not working. Got it.

Thanks,
JPG
January 30th, 2010, 08:36
meathome

Hi just tested this. I converted my campaign from 1.5.1 to this version with the launcher. Found some issues:
-very long load time (but i noticed quite a long load time with the previous version too)
-each time i try to roll critical damage (either for a player or npc) fg freezes and quits with a fantasygrounds.exe has stopped working error.
-When entering a new power manually, if i type something into the source field fg freezes with a fantasygrounds.exe has stopped working error.
edit: seems like there is something wrong with my fg/campaign because every time i hold down shift it crashes... i am testing if the issues persist with a new campaign.
When starting a new campaign everything works like a charm.
January 30th, 2010, 08:57
Moon Wizard

Meathome, did you back up your campaign before converting? If so, please send me a PM so that I can get a copy to review.

Cheers,
JPG
January 30th, 2010, 17:37
tdewitt274

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Quote:

Originally Posted by moon_wizard

* Modifier font cutoff. I'm not seeing the fonts getting cut off on my end. Are you using one of the themes? Or can you send me a screenshot?

Your right, it was a theme. The non-themed works fine. Screenshot of Dungeon attached.
Metal = OK
Wood = Not noticeable, only the very bottom of the "g"
Dungeon = Truncate (possibly making the font size smaller?)
None = OK

Also, as mentioned, it does take a lot of time to load. I was writing it off to my PC being slow (which, well, it's an Atom ;).
January 31st, 2010, 20:43
Moon Wizard

The load times vary considerably, but it seems to be based on how much data you are loading.

If I start a campaign with no modules loaded, then it comes up very quickly. Once I open all of the rulebooks I allow (DMG, PHB, MM, DMG2, PHB2, MM2, AV, AV2), it takes quite a while to load. If you want the game to load faster, you can trim the modules you have open.

Another big data situation is tokens. All of the tokens available are loaded into memory when FG starts. I have a full set of the original Digital Adventures tokens, and I think that affects my load time as well. You should make sure that your shared token directory is very minimal, and should review your host directory. I think the modules contribute to this as well, especially if you have a token linked to every MM entry, which I do.

Regards,
JPG
February 1st, 2010, 05:50
Ashodin

Ok maybe i'm retarded but I can't figure out where to download the test version of this rule set? I'd like to help, I have a game scheduled for tomorrow after noon, and for tuesday night, but I can't seem to find it :P
February 1st, 2010, 08:08
Moon Wizard

Ashodin, remember that this is a test version and that you may encounter problems during the testing, including a few minor bugs that have already been identified. Just a heads up before you dive in with 2 back-to-back game days.

There is a link to a thread about using Test Mode Manager application in the first post of this thread, as well as a link to the release notes for the 4E v2 ruleset.

Regards,
JPG
February 1st, 2010, 15:38
Ashodin

Dually noted, I will probably test this after noons game since it's just two of us, and then if everything seems to run smoothly enough for the way we use it, then I'll play around with it tuesday night.
February 1st, 2010, 15:45
Ashodin

I guess i'll just wait until the final release of the ruleset, for some reason when I click on "test" it switches right back to "releas" oh well.
February 2nd, 2010, 04:16
Eru the One

Thanks so much for the new ruleset! I have run into two small problems that I'm not sure if it's me or the ruleset, but I was able to work around them:

PC sheet:

* On the Main tab of the Mini Sheet for a PC, I was unable to drag the attack die for any of the weapons to the combat tracker/chat window; it just drags the entire Mini Sheet around.

Options:

* "Remove effect on save success" is set to off, but still removing the effect.

That's it so far, thanks again!
February 2nd, 2010, 17:36
Moon Wizard

Eru,

Are you using the Remove Effect on Save Success option set to off?

It seems that I wrote this option out of the code with all the enhancements I did to the saves over the development. I'm considering taking out the option, and just leaving the "on" behavior as the default.

Saving throws apply to effects in this order:
* If save made by auto-save, then use that effect.
* If save dragged from save mod of effect in CT, then use that effect.
* If only one effect has save expiration, apply to that effect.
* Otherwise, just print message.

Any thoughts?

Cheers,
JPG
February 2nd, 2010, 21:12
Moon Wizard

I'm going to remove the option for now, and set the default behavior to remove the effect when saving throw is made, if the effect can be determined.

JPG
February 2nd, 2010, 21:40
Eru the One

Sorry for not replying sooner, that sounds good. I've just had problems in the past when people were deciding which save roll for which effect and then have to open up the NPC sheets to reapply the correct effect each time.
February 2nd, 2010, 21:52
Moon Wizard
Just updated the test version of the ruleset with bug fixes.
- Added ability to add messages to chatwindow on launch from global script onInit. (for extension messages)
- Removed non-working option to "Remove Effect on Save Success".
- Notes list graphics issues (title and upper right corner). Fixed.
- Dice tower was shifting when hovering over with dice. Fixed.
- Mouse scrolling on wounds when field has focus will now update status color visually.
- When NPC auto initiative option was set to On, initiative was not being rolled for NPCs added to CT. Fixed.
- Dragging attack/damage rolls from PC mini sheet weapons/implements section caused script error. Fixed.
- Effect conditions were being applied, even if they occurred after a AFTER/FAIL tag. Fixed.
- Parsing of some powers incorrectly created self-targeted effects, when they should not be. Improved.
- Icon cyclers on shared windows owned by the host that were created while the client had the window open were not updating on the client. Fixed.
- Effect and modifier labels were being cut off in Dungeon/Wood themes. Fixed.
- Name and layout of character list portraits on upper left was cutoff and overlapped portrait. Fixed.
- Tab order while inputting character sheet powers was wrong. Fixed.
JPG
February 3rd, 2010, 02:45
Moon Wizard
Another quick usability update:
- Clicking on character portrait will perform the following actions:
- If main character window is open, bring it to the top.
- Otherwise, if mini character window is open, bring it to the top.
- If neither is open, open the main character window on the top.
- If you are running a client, it will activate that character; very useful for players running multiple PCs.

JPG

Maybe I'm missing it, but is there a way to get the effects from a PC's powers to default to being "On"? So far, whenever any effect is dragged from a PC to anything, it shows me that it is "Off", and I have to manually turn it on.

I'm also not sure if there is a way to get Shaman Spirit Companion bonuses to trigger on proximity... maybe the AURA keyword, but I can't get the syntax correct.

That was a small bug introduced with the last update. I just uploaded a new version to address.

JPG

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atras

I'm also not sure if there is a way to get Shaman Spirit Companion bonuses to trigger on proximity... maybe the AURA keyword, but I can't get the syntax correct.

The AURA keyword is just a shortcut for specifying effect duration: the effect will be set to expire at "Start" (of that actor's turn). The same effect can be accomplished by specifying expire to Start manually. I'm guessing the descriptor was added to support Aura-based powers on NPCs more easily.

To my knowledge, there is currently no support for proximity calculations.

Seem like preparation mode suddenly doesn't work anymore.

Quote:

Originally Posted by meathome

Seem like preparation mode suddenly doesn't work anymore.

Yes, it looks like Combat / Standard / Prep mode on the Charsheets are not working as they should.

If I use a daily/encounter power in combat mode, the power remains listed even when its been ticked as used.

Full/Mini Sheet:

* Con and Dex switch places between the two sheets

Skills:

* I've been trying to find what triggers this problem, but when I uncheck skills that I don't want on the mini sheet, they will reset and display all skills after switching sheets or closing/opening them. (Very hard to notice what triggers it)

CA and GRANTCA don't seem to have any effect.

When I have an effect that gives "CA", once, until end of turn, drag it onto a creature, and then roll an attack roll with that creature, it doesn't add a +2 bonus, and also doesn't disappear immediately.

The same when I make an effect with "GRANTCA", once, until end of turn and drag it onto my target, then roll an attack roll.

Just played around a bit with it, and I have to say it looks dang slick...

But...seein as I'm a lazy gus, anyone have any modules/stat stuff done up already? I don't see any (not that I was expecting any mind...), but anything would be a help :S

CA you drag onto the person making the attack, not onto the target of the attack unless I'm mistaken.

Also sometimes the modifiers show up on the roll line and other times they show up on the hit/miss/damage line.

I messed around and ran a combat and overall it ran very well. One thing I did find irratating was that when I closed and opened the combat tracker in the middle of a fight the monsters were all set to be invisible again.

Also an old 4E campaign didn't convert. Do you have to remove the old ruleset or do anything else special?

After playing around with 4E Ruleset v2.0 for the first time tonight, we were testing multiple characters.

With 3 character sheets open, I really liked the fact that we can now make a character sheet active by clicking a portrait on the upper left corner. However, I found it really inconvenient when the newly activated character sheets "close" all power details (combat and/or descriptions) on the just activated character sheet.

I assume this happens because the same routine is used to open an unopened character sheet (where all powers start in the "closed" position). It would be great if the ruleset could check if the character sheet is opened for the first time or it is currently already open (and thus just made active or the current character sheet) thereby leaving power statuses as is.

Another test version update:

Changed behavior of Enter key in power fields. If SHIFT is pressed, then a new power will be added. Otherwise, the default behavior of the stringcontrol will be used.
Double-click on campaign effects will apply effect to current identity (active CT entry on host, active identity on client).
Targeting subsection will open automatically when an NPC becomes active.
Clarified which effects support targets. Individual components will each respect the target field as noted.
Updated shortcut icons
Slight color change in hot key font to improve visibility of shortcut hot keys.
Effect Applied By field was getting cut off. Fixed.
Character sheet power mode button was not working. Fixed.
Shift-clicking on CT entry name was not toggling the target for the active CT entry. Fixed.
Cover and concealment were not being applied in some cases. Fixed.
Order of abilities on minisheet was incorrect. Fixed.
Checkboxes set to checked on new entry creation are incorrectly resetting to on, when window closed and reopened. Fixed.
Apply attribute was being ignored for effect conditions (CA, CONC, Dazed). Fixed.

BTW, congrats to Eru for being the first to notice the mini sheet ability ordering difference. It must have been that way for 2 years, and he was first to report.

Griogre, I sent you a PM to discuss any conversion issues.

Berova, it's true that the portrait click uses the window open code to bring the character sheet to the top. Since the power detail switches are not stored in the database, they get reset when this happens. To fix this, it would require a non-trivial change. My workaround for now is to use the minisheet which doesn't run into this issue. I've added to the feature request list for FG to add a bringtofront function.

Thanks,
JPG

When I was looking at the 4E ruleset a bit ago I noticed the New button on the "Notes" book is too low. It should be above the bottom curl like the ones in the Story, Personalities, Encounter books. To see this click on Notes on the right side of the FG desktop and look at the new button.

Moon, I responded to your PM.

Okay, so my group decided to give this a go tonight. Things are going pretty smoothly, but I seem to be getting an error when trying to role to hit in a specific circumstance. What's happening is I'm on an NPC that's been marked by a PC, and any time I try to attack a PC (so far I've only tried the PC that did the marking) using host targeting and rolling to hit through any method, I get 'Script Error: [string "scripts/manager_node.lua"]: 76: attempt to call field 'getChild' (a nil value)". Is this something I'm doing wrong, or a bug?

Other than that, we had a fantastic time with the set. My players and I didn't notice any other bugs during this session. Great work!

Ah that looks like the problem i had a few nights ago. I have reported it to moon_wizard. I am sure he's working on a fix.

moon_wizard - this looks like the same problem I had with Murkelmor, the NPC character I had problems with the other night. Thinking back my group were also marking using Marked and Hunters Quarry Marked effects.

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