Pathfinder Second Edition - PFRPG2 Ruleset - Status, issues and ongoing development

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Originally Posted by Ampersandrew

This is not quite true. A 20 improves the degree of success by one step. If you need a 19 to hit at all, a 20 is still a critical even though you have only beaten the DC by 1. If on the other hand you need a 21 to hit, a 20 changes the miss into a hit.

A 1 does the opposite thing, it makes your degree of success one worse.

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I understand the degrees of success I was trying to explain that the roll might not have been within the parameters of what the program considers a critical. Seems it was an extension that was causing the problem.

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Originally Posted by UltimateGM

Make sure your 10+ above the DC otherwise it's just a success.

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That really doesn't sound like you understand how degrees of success work. You do not need to make sure your (sic) 10+ above the DC.

If a 20 is enough to hit, then it's a critical hit.

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Originally Posted by UltimateGM

Gone are the days of a natural 20 always being a crit.

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This is true, but doesn't tell the whole story. A 20 improves your success level. If you needed to roll 11–20 to hit, then a 20 on the die is a critical hit.

Only if you needed to roll a 21–29 on your d20 to hit is a 20 a normal hit.

My party is fighting a Greater Barghest, and it has resistance to physical 10(except Magic). It is not counting there +1 weapons as magical to ignore the resist 10. Am I doing something wrong or is there a way to fig this. if it helps it is Ralldar 5.05.04. d3 Goblin-god's throne.

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Originally Posted by thyrax

My party is fighting a Greater Barghest, and it has resistance to physical 10(except Magic). It is not counting there +1 weapons as magical to ignore the resist 10. Am I doing something wrong or is there a way to fig this. if it helps it is Ralldar 5.05.04. d3 Goblin-god's throne.

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Make sure the weapon damage entry used has the magic damage type. Also ensure it's identified on the PC sheet.

magic or magical, seen it both ways

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Originally Posted by Trenloe

Both of the examples you give (Daze and Electric Arc) can be completely handled in the FG action interface now - the saving throw action and then a damage action.

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I guess I was asking whether spells like those would eventually have the damage action automatically included because those spells did not have a damage action. For now, I did add the damage action as you pointed out.

The problem is that magic and magical are used interchangeably throughout various PF2 monsters. But FG resistances etc. need to have a specific damage type - with magic and magical being two different damage types when it comes to matching damage entries for effects.

FG will auto add "magical" to the damage of a weapon entry in the actions tab which has a bonus above 0 when it's added to the PC's inventory. But this means that it will only match against resistances that have "magical" not "magic".

I'll need to investigate further and see if there's a reliable way to cover both of these. In the meantime, I'd recommend the GM seeing what damage type is parsed out for the creature's effects (probably "magic") and use that damage type for the magic weapon damage.

Note - the ruleset doesn't cater for something like Resistances physical 7 (except magical silver) - as it's not programmed to have full boolean exceptions across multiple exceptions.

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Originally Posted by Swifty0x0

I guess I was asking whether spells like those would eventually have the damage action automatically included (future feature). For now, I did add the damage action as you pointed out.

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FG tries to parse out the action entries based off the text in the spell. The spell record doesn't have these hard coded. I hope to improve this parsing over time, but it will never be 100% accurate as Paizo don't use the same terms across spell descriptions.

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Originally Posted by Swifty0x0

I guess I was asking whether spells like those would eventually have the damage action automatically included because those spells did not have a damage action. For now, I did add the damage action as you pointed out.

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Swifty: I would like to point out that my Drag-n-Drop module includes Spells, Focus Spells, Rituals (as well as a myriad of other automated features) that will give you damage and effects for just about everything (similar to how my SR Bestiary gives that to creatures on the Spells Tab). It can be found here:

SR Drag and Drop Spell + Module

Beyond mine, Alex Craft also did an outstanding job in giving people an all inclusive Spell Effect module that can be found here:

Alex's Spell Effect Module

If you want to save some time updating your own spells, these will give you spells that can be dropped on a character's sheet (just like the core ones) once you put the .mod file in the modules directory and open the appropriate file in the library within the game.

Enjoy!

Is there a user guide/instruction manual for PF2 on FG? I've seen some videos, but for some things I just rather read a document.

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Originally Posted by JadeKraken

Is there a user guide/instruction manual for PF2 on FG? I've seen some videos, but for some things I just rather read a document.

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A lot of standard FG functionality will apply to PFRPG2 - for this you can use the User Guide: https://www.fantasygrounds.com/filel...UserManual.pdf Which contains the contents of the Wiki User Guide.

For PFRPG2 specific things, the User Guide is still under development. See the PFRPG2 section here: https://www.fantasygrounds.com/wiki/...hp/User_Guides

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Originally Posted by ShadeRaven

For Full Plate (or any armor that would have a Dex Cap of +0), it sees the empty (0) field as meaning there's no DEX Cap... so Full Plate is getting the AC bonus plus any applicable DEX bonus.

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Thanks for reporting. Logged as RS2.071.

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Originally Posted by ShadeRaven

For Armor with the Flexible Trait, characters who are getting the skill check penalty for not hitting the Strength threshold are getting the Skill Check Penalty to Acrobatics and Athletics checks like other non-flexible armor. Those two skills should get no check penalty due to armor if it's traited Flexible.

CRB, pg 279

Flexible: The armor is flexible enough that it doesn’t hinder most actions. You don’t apply its check penalty to Acrobatics or Athletics checks.

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Thanks for reporting. Logged as RS2.072.

Slight Oddity: This might be a CORE thing, but I'll post here because I have only tested it out within PF2 ruleset.

So I was toying around with IFT for "marked" targets (specifically Hunt Prey for Rangers). I'd set a designation EFFECT on a target (Hunt Prey) and then set up an EFFECT on the character sheet that would check for the Custom Condition on the target.

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Flurry (second attack); IFT: CUSTOM (Hunt Prey); ATK: +2

A simple check to see if the target has been tagged (effect added) as Hunt Prey, if so, give the acting character a +2 attack bonus.

It works but, oddly, it doesn't show it in the chat box directly.
https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...chmentid=30371

The end result is correct (an attack roll of 20), but the reporting of the attack made it look like it was an 18 (had to look closely at the line below to see it applied the +2). This doesn't happen when the ATK bonus is added without IFT.

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Originally Posted by ShadeRaven

Slight Oddity: This might be a CORE thing, but I'll post here because I have only tested it out within PF2 ruleset.

So I was toying around with IFT for "marked" targets (specifically Hunt Prey for Rangers). I'd set a designation EFFECT on a target (Hunt Prey) and then set up an EFFECT on the character sheet that would check for the Custom Condition on the target.

So it looks something like this:
Flurry (second attack); IFT: CUSTOM (Hunt Prey); ATK: +2

A simple check to see if the target has been tagged (effect added) as Hunt Prey, if so, give the acting character a +2 attack bonus.

It works but, oddly, it doesn't show it in the chat box directly.
https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...chmentid=30371

The end result is correct (an attack roll of 20), but the reporting of the attack made it look like it was an 18 (had to look closely at the line below to see it applied the +2). This doesn't happen when the ATK bonus is added without IFT.

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Yes, this is normal, also in 3.5e/PF1 and other rulesets :) Target-specific modifiers are applied only when the roll is applied to the target. First the roll is made, independent of the target, so no effects which depends on the target, and then it is applied to the target which then accounts target-specific effects into the calculation :) This is especially important when e.g. your attack is made against multiple targets which may or may not allow that effect (thus, applying the ATK: 2 effect to the roll would then result that all targets are affected by that such that you may have to subtract the bonus otherwise when there is a target without Hunter Prey :) But, in that way, how FG is handling this, this is no problem :) ) At least this is how I understood this

Ah! That makes sense! I hadn't thought of the multiple target angle!

Hey, that's pretty good.
On your CUSTOM thing, how do you do that tag to mark them Hunt Prey? My party's ranger does the precision damage, but I'd like to try this myself for future characters.

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Originally Posted by Milke

Hey, that's pretty good.
On your CUSTOM thing, how do you do that tag to mark them Hunt Prey? My party's ranger does the precision damage, but I'd like to try this myself for future characters.

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Milke: Head over to my (SR) Drag and Drop Actions, Powers, and Spells thread where I detail how I handle stuff like that. The link here will take you to where I have started to work on Rangers. I'll explain it there.

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Originally Posted by Milke

On your CUSTOM thing, how do you do that tag to mark them Hunt Prey? My party's ranger does the precision damage, but I'd like to try this myself for future characters.

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You just apply an effect condition Hunt Prey to the target.

For full details of setting this up to be a button press on the actions tab of the PC see ShadeRaven's link above.

Okay, I'm getting it figured out. I just label someone Hunt Prey, and my party's ranger can click it every round to have it 1d8 precision on his first damage, then just click it again the following round. And if he switches targets, the 1d8 won't go off, because that target isn't labeled Hunt Prey.

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Originally Posted by Milke

Okay, I'm getting it figured out. I just label someone Hunt Prey, and my party's ranger can click it every round to have it 1d8 precision on his first damage, then just click it again the following round. And if he switches targets, the 1d8 won't go off, because that target isn't labeled Hunt Prey.

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Correct.

Can you modify a weapon in someone's inventory to have a +1 potency and a striking rune and get it to update correctly? My PCs will have a weapon already, then transfer a rune to it, and then it seems like even though we're using the bonus/property fields correctly the weapons will not update like they should.

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Originally Posted by GMChair

Can you modify a weapon in someone's inventory to have a +1 potency and a striking rune and get it to update correctly? My PCs will have a weapon already, then transfer a rune to it, and then it seems like even though we're using the bonus/property fields correctly the weapons will not update like they should.

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Welcome to the FG forums.

striking rune properties are only automatically read when the weapon is first added to the PC. After that, the player will need to adjust the weapon entry in the actions tab as needed. For adding a striking rune, for example, open the damage details window and drag another dice of the same type to the damage dice field.

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Originally Posted by Trenloe

Welcome to the FG forums.

striking rune properties are only automatically read when the weapon is first added to the PC. After that, the player will need to adjust the weapon entry in the actions tab as needed. For adding a striking rune, for example, open the damage details window and drag another dice of the same type to the damage dice field.

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This works quite well.

The other option is to update the weapon outside of the character sheet (say by putting it into the Party Sheet Parcel Items) then re-adding it to the character's inventory. You'd have to go through and make sure things like proficiency is accurate thereafter, but it is a way to update a weapon at it's core, then use that update to populate the Actions Tab Weapons fields.

So in working on the Ranger Features, Feats, and Abilities automation, I came across a problem with Hazards/Traps as it relates to IFT and TYPE statements. Because traits on Hazards/Traps are listed in one continuous stream (e.g. Electric Latch Rune has the Traits: Electricity Evocation Magical Trap), the TYPE qualifier isn't working. I am guessing this means it would fail to trigger correctly for Evocation, Magical, etc.

I think for this to work correctly, they need to parse out with the comma (,) delimiter ensure it works like it does for checking traits on Creatures from the Bestiary or the TYPE search needs to work on whole-word matches regardless of delimiters.

In checking this, it appears to be a problem with Characters, too. A character who has the Dwarf Humanoid traits designation won't return a true condition against an IFT: TYPE (dwarf) statement. However, if I were to change that character's traits to Dwarf, Humanoid, it would then return true when looking for a Dwarf Type.

So Milke, over in Drag n Drop, discovered something about REGEN that I tested out.

Troll's normal HP line isn't parsing out correctly when added to the CT. regeneration 20 (deactivated by acid or fire) is turning into REGEN: 20 acid or; which doesn't trigger correctly to acid damage (much less fire). If this gets fixed to do REGEN: 20 acid or fire; it'll work fine.

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The actual effects line looks like REGEN: 20 acid or fire; WEAK: 10 fire (with me fixing the fire part). Here's the issue. When someone does Acid or Fire damage to the target, it turns off the entire EFFECT line ... this means that having it parsed out to the CT with WEAK: 10 fire on the same line as REGEN will turn off WEAK:10 fire when it turns off (skips) a turn of regen.

Probably the easiest solution is to simply have REGEN (especially if it has a deactivation component) on a different line to any other possible effects (Immunities, Resists, etc etc) to avoid this.

Ohhhh. I see.
So, for now, would it be best for me to just go manually change the entries to 1) REGEN: 20 acid or fire 2) WEAK: 10 fire on separate lines?
I can see how that'd be a problem.

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Originally Posted by Milke

Ohhhh. I see.
So, for now, would it be best for me to just go manually change the entries to 1) REGEN: 20 acid or fire 2) WEAK: 10 fire on separate lines?
I can see how that'd be a problem.

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yep, that'll fix it until Tren patches that problem out in the future.

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Originally Posted by ShadeRaven

So Milke, over in Drag n Drop, discovered something about REGEN that I tested out.

Troll's normal HP line isn't parsing out correctly when added to the CT. regeneration 20 (deactivated by acid or fire) is turning into REGEN: 20 acid or; which doesn't trigger correctly to acid damage (much less fire). If this gets fixed to do REGEN: 20 acid or fire; it'll work fine.

Except...

The actual effects line looks like REGEN: 20 acid or fire; WEAK: 10 fire (with me fixing the fire part). Here's the issue. When someone does Acid or Fire damage to the target, it turns off the entire EFFECT line ... this means that having it parsed out to the CT with WEAK: 10 fire on the same line as REGEN will turn off WEAK:10 fire when it turns off (skips) a turn of regen.

Probably the easiest solution is to simply have REGEN (especially if it has a deactivation component) on a different line to any other possible effects (Immunities, Resists, etc etc) to avoid this.

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The parsing effect issue is caused by the Troll in the SRD Bestiary having a missing "r" in the HP Abilities line. It's currently set as: "regeneration 20 (deactivated by acid or fie)" can you spot the issue? ;)

If I correct this issue (add the "r"), and add the troll to the Combat Tracker it parses out the effect line as: REGEN: 20 acid or fire; WEAK: 10 fire

Good spot on the effects after the REGEN getting ignored. Logged as RS2.074 and fixed in the next release.

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Originally Posted by ShadeRaven

I think for consistency, it would be nice if the condition CONC also worked as Concealed. It just seems a little odd that while all other conditions (e.g. Confused, Fascinated, Hidden, Stupefied, Undetected) are all labeled in obvious forms, full words, that concealed is given an abbreviated version that's not automatically obvious as to its use.

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"Concealed" added to release 11.

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Originally Posted by Curaidh

Weakness is not applied correctly on a critical hit.
See Core Rulebook Page 450 under Damage and Core Rulebook page 451 under Doubling and Halving Damage. I'll put the important parts here:

Page 450, Damage:
1. Roll the dice indicated by the weapon, unarmed attack, or spell, and apply the modifiers, bonuses, and penalties that apply to the result of the roll.
2. Determine the damage type.
3. Apply the target’s immunities, weaknesses, and resistances to the damage.
4. If any damage remains, reduce the target’s Hit Points by that amount.

Page 451, Double and Halving Damage (subsection of Step 1)
Sometimes you’ll need to halve or double an amount of damage, such as when the outcome of your Strike is a critical hit, or when you succeed at a basic Reflex save against a spell. When this happens, you roll the damage normally, adding all the normal modifiers, bonuses, and penalties. Then you double or halve the amount as appropriate (rounding down if you halved it).

This means the doubling of damage is only valid to Step 1 in applying damage.

Current Effect in FG: Weakness is applied TWICE on a critical hit.
Expected outcome: Weakness is applied exactly ONCE on a critical hit.

The same applies to Resistances:
Currently: Applied TWICE
Expected: Applied ONCE

WEAK and RESIST effects need to be done at a different point in the calculation.

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Thanks again for reporting this Curaidh.

I've revisited this issue now that I've had implemented the main conditions and effects. I have a fix for both the Weakness and Resistance doubling issue reported here and elsewhere. This will be in Release 11 - hopefully out on Tuesday this week.

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Originally Posted by Trenloe

The parsing effect issue is caused by the Troll in the SRD Bestiary having a missing "r" in the HP Abilities line. It's currently set as: "regeneration 20 (deactivated by acid or fie)" can you spot the issue? ;)

If I correct this issue (add the "r"), and add the troll to the Combat Tracker it parses out the effect line as: REGEN: 20 acid or fire; WEAK: 10 fire

Good spot on the effects after the REGEN getting ignored. Logged as RS2.074 and fixed in the next release.

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In the last Release Update for 26th November it appears: [Fixed] RS2.073 Minimum damage does 1 nonlethal

What does this mean exactly? I may be wrong, but in Pathfinder 2e there is no such nonlethal damage, only nonlethal attacks.

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Originally Posted by Pepor

In the last Release Update for 26th November it appears: [Fixed] RS2.073 Minimum damage does 1 nonlethal

What does this mean exactly? I may be wrong, but in Pathfinder 2e there is no such nonlethal damage, only nonlethal attacks.

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Issues listed with an issue number include a description of what the issue is. In this case, the issue was the the ruleset was assigning minimum damage as 1 nonlethal. Which, as you say, is not correct - hence why it was logged as an issue. This issue has now been fixed - indicated by the [FIXED] label.

Ah, ok, I misunderstood the explanation. Thanks! Nice work! I love the way HIDDEN rolls a flat-check.

I had a case where heavy armor only applied a -5 move penalty (should be -10) to the character sheet, but when I checked the stats of the heavy armor it had the correct -10 move penalty. Not sure what could have messed up there.

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Originally Posted by Swifty0x0

I had a case where heavy armor only applied a -5 move penalty (should be -10) to the character sheet, but when I checked the stats of the heavy armor it had the correct -10 move penalty. Not sure what could have messed up there.

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If you meet the minimum strength for the armor the speed penalty is reduced by -5. See page 274 of the core rules.

When adding damage to a spell - there is no way currently to add spellcasting ability modifier to that damage. I can set that via stat+bonus manually - but it would be nice to have the spellcasting mod as an option.

Same when looking at a monster - which can be automatically parsed as the DC-10 for any spells listed (as they don't explicitly call out proficiency or casting stat).

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Originally Posted by Ckorik

When adding damage to a spell - there is no way currently to add spellcasting ability modifier to that damage.

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Use the "Mult x Stat(max)" button cycler to set the ability to add a multiple of that abilities modifier to the damage action. This is how you add the spellcasting ability modifier to a damage action. If that's not what you're referring to, please give more info.

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Originally Posted by Ckorik

Same when looking at a monster - which can be automatically parsed as the DC-10 for any spells listed (as they don't explicitly call out proficiency or casting stat).

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Not sure what you're referring to here - can you expand on this please?

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Originally Posted by Trenloe

Use the "Mult x Stat(max)" button cycler to set the ability to add a multiple of that abilities modifier to the damage action. This is how you add the spellcasting ability modifier to a damage action. If that's not what you're referring to, please give more info.

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Yeah - forget I said that - I'm apparently having a bad night and misread something horribly. I'm going to take the better part of valor and go get some sleep