5E Advanced Effects (items, npcs, characters)

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Originally Posted by celestian

If the effect isn't on the PC in the CT then it's probably not equipped. I thought you had said it was in the CT so I did not mention that.

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Sorry for the misunderstanding celestian. What I meant was I could put it directly into the CT and it would work but it wasn't working with the extension. I have since found that I was dumb and not equipping it and now it all works - lol...My apologies for this little goat rodeo!

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Originally Posted by Dax Doomslayer

Sorry for the misunderstanding celestian. What I meant was I could put it directly into the CT and it would work but it wasn't working with the extension. I have since found that I was dumb and not equipping it and now it all works - lol...My apologies for this little goat rodeo!

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All good! Glad it's workin for ya now.

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Originally Posted by celestian

Have you tried it? I'm not aware of any changes that would keep it from working but if you find something I'll take a look.

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Did you ever find out if this extension is compatible with FGU?

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Originally Posted by Thuldan

Did you ever find out if this extension is compatible with FGU?

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As I mentioned before as far as I am aware there is no reason it should break. The functionality is within the scope of the ruleset, not so much the API of FGU. It works in 2E so I see no reason it shouldn't in the extension. Tho if you find something off feel free to let me know.

Trying to apply a Blessing of Protection as a permanent effect in the advanced effects abilities. Currently I have to place this code into the actions as an effect, "Blessing; AC:1; Save:1". This applies correctly but has to be done so every combat. When I try to translate it to the Advanced Effects are to make it permanent it only affect the AC. Additionally it displays only [] as the name. Any suggestions or do you have an idea of what I'm doing wrong. Thanks for the help.

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Originally Posted by Thuldan

Trying to apply a Blessing of Protection as a permanent effect in the advanced effects abilities. Currently I have to place this code into the actions as an effect, "Blessing; AC:1; Save:1". This applies correctly but has to be done so every combat. When I try to translate it to the Advanced Effects are to make it permanent it only affect the AC. Additionally it displays only [] as the name. Any suggestions or do you have an idea of what I'm doing wrong. Thanks for the help.

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What are you putting it on? PC or a Item? What values are you setting on each? Screenshot would be great.

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Originally Posted by celestian

What are you putting it on? PC or a Item? What values are you setting on each? Screenshot would be great.

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I'm putting it on the PC. It would be a base +1 to saves and AC. lol dumb question how do I paste a screenshot into the reply?

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Originally Posted by Thuldan

I'm putting it on the PC. It would be a base +1 to saves and AC. lol dumb question how do I paste a screenshot into the reply?

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You can attach it to a message.

For me your effect string works fine.

https://i.imgur.com/BaTGzEG.png

Now it is indeed working, but oddly I'm still seeing only [] in under the Advanced Effects. Attachment 32787

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Originally Posted by Thuldan

Now it is indeed working, but oddly I'm still seeing only [] in under the Advanced Effects. Attachment 32787

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Are you running FGU and not FGC? Otherwise I'm at a loss why it would appear like that. I'm running the current 5E w/o any extensions or themes and I don't get that in my tests (and shots above).

Yes I am running FGU. I was able to get the weapon effect I was working on as well to display but not the effect we were working on. It displays on the character tracker just fine so that is what matters. BTW how do you code damage die to appear only on crit. For example I have a lvl 12 barbarian wielding a greataxe which does 2d8 cold damage on critical. Ultimately it is 3d12 Slashing + 2d8 Cold on critical. I used "IFT: critical; DMG 1d8 cold" which gives the desired dice total, but unfortunately it still puts 1d8 cold on the normal attacks. Image example Attachment 32788

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Originally Posted by Thuldan

Yes I am running FGU.

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FGU has a problem displaying subwindows. Until that's corrected it will not show properly. Resizing the window will sometimes get it to update.

As to your crit question. Look here.

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Is is possible to have an if statement that is tied to a character Class (i.e. cleric and/or druid)?

[IF:CLASS(cleric, druid); CHA: 1] visibility [hide]

If it is possible, is the syntax in the attached correct? It doesn't appear to be working.
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Sorry about the crappy quality of the picture - that is why I typed out the coding.

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Originally Posted by Valdemar

Celestian -

Is is possible to have an if statement that is tied to a character Class (i.e. cleric and/or druid)?

[IF:CLASS(cleric, druid); CHA: 1] visibility [hide]

If it is possible, is the syntax in the attached correct? It doesn't appear to be working.
Attachment 32820

Sorry about the crappy quality of the picture - that is why I typed out the coding.

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I am not a 5E effect expert so I would defer to what is on the wiki for it... but anything that works manually applying to a PC should work attached to PC via the abilities tab/Advanced Effects or onto an item. There is one situation where it will not work (related to stat application I think) and you can find it early on in the thread here. Because of the way Advanced Effects work they need to be the "source" for the effect. In that situation it required the source be something else. I don't recall the exact specifics and im remote right now so hard to search.

CLASS is not a valid conditional operator for IF/IFT. The only ones allowed are listed here https://www.fantasygrounds.com/wiki/..._on_IF_and_IFT

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Originally Posted by mattekure

CLASS is not a valid conditional operator for IF/IFT. The only ones allowed are listed here https://www.fantasygrounds.com/wiki/..._on_IF_and_IFT

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So CLASS isn't a valid conditional, but CUSTOM() is... :)

Do you think adding a user created condition like "Cleric" (or whatever class is in question) and then doing something like IF:CUSTOM(Cleric) would work?

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Originally Posted by TheoGeek

So CLASS isn't a valid conditional, but CUSTOM() is... :)

Do you think adding a user created condition like "Cleric" (or whatever class is in question) and then doing something like IF:CUSTOM(Cleric) would work?

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Yes, you would have to create the effect on each cleric such as;

"Cleric"

Then the IFT can look for that and evaluate.

edit: updated effect per Mattekure's correct answer!

You will need to create an effect on the target "Cleric" then on your character you can do IFT: CUSTOM(Cleric); it will look for the "Cleric" tag on the npc and apply appropriately.

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Originally Posted by TheoGeek

So CLASS isn't a valid conditional, but CUSTOM() is... :)

Do you think adding a user created condition like "Cleric" (or whatever class is in question) and then doing something like IF:CUSTOM(Cleric) would work?

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If you use the AD&D 2E ruleset, then in an upcoming patch you'll have access to the conditional CLASS(). I added it based on this discussion. Paladin Holy Sword to the rescue IF:CLASS(paladin);ATK:5;DMG:5.

(note, CLASS() is NOT a thing in the 5E ruleset)

Thanks for the idea ;)

Is there a reason why the advanced effects are only showing to GM even if set as visible? I'm stumped.

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Originally Posted by 4wire

Is there a reason why the advanced effects are only showing to GM even if set as visible? I'm stumped.

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Testing it locally works fine for me.

https://i.imgur.com/XUdog0C.png

That is me connected to a server with allow edit enabled.

If you enabled it while they had the item opened it wont show until they close and re-open however.

If you're running FGU, it might not show at all because FGU has problems refreshing subwindows entirely.

So, managing to work around the UI issues with FGU. But for me, when I add the NPC to the CT it is not applying the effect. Is this because of FGU, or something ive done wrong?

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Originally Posted by Houndy

So, managing to work around the UI issues with FGU. But for me, when I add the NPC to the CT it is not applying the effect. Is this because of FGU, or something ive done wrong?

Attachment 32968

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Have you tried it in FGC yet?

If the NPC has the effect attached it should place it. FGU has another problem with editing an existing record (for maps at least). Try making a local copy of the NPC, add the effect to that one then place it into the CT and see what happens.

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Originally Posted by celestian

Testing it locally works fine for me.

That is me connected to a server with allow edit enabled.

If you enabled it while they had the item opened it wont show until they close and re-open however.

If you're running FGU, it might not show at all because FGU has problems refreshing subwindows entirely.

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Happy to report I have the same behavior in FGC. It increases my chances I AM doing something wrong! :)

See this: Attachment 32980

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Originally Posted by 4wire

Happy to report I have the same behavior in FGC. It increases my chances I AM doing something wrong! :)

See this: Attachment 32980

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Perhaps you are not setting the right campaign setting.

https://i.imgur.com/NQpeOQo.png

That is where you set the campaign setting to let users see/edit advanced effects on items.

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Originally Posted by celestian

Perhaps you are not setting the right campaign setting.

That is where you set the campaign setting to let users see/edit advanced effects on items.

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It is enabled indeed! They can see the effects in the items but not the effect in the CT, unless I manually change the visibility of each effect (which is my official workaround).

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Originally Posted by 4wire

It is enabled indeed! They can see the effects in the items but not the effect in the CT, unless I manually change the visibility of each effect (which is my official workaround).

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The campaign setting has no affect on the effect display in the CT.

Your setting of -/hide/show on the effect should be what allows it to be seen in the CT. Your image has it set to [SHOW]. That "should" let it be seen in the CT. I'll check things locally tonight after day job and see if I have the same issue and if so resolve.

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Originally Posted by celestian

The campaign setting has no affect on the effect display in the CT.

Your setting of -/hide/show on the effect should be what allows it to be seen in the CT. Your image has it set to [SHOW]. That "should" let it be seen in the CT. I'll check things locally tonight after day job and see if I have the same issue and if so resolve.

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By the way, I'm using a clone of the github repo, not the ext file. I'll try the ext.

Update: same result.

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Originally Posted by 4wire

By the way, I'm using a clone of the github repo, not the ext file. I'll try the ext.

Update: same result.

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Actually if you are using the repo, grab the version I just pushed, 4.3 and try it out.

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Originally Posted by celestian

Actually if you are using the repo, grab the version I just pushed, 4.3 and try it out.

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Yup, that did it!

I tried to debug using the console but couldn't make anything print for the life of me.

Thanks bud.

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Originally Posted by 4wire

Yup, that did it!

I tried to debug using the console but couldn't make anything print for the life of me.

Thanks bud.

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I had added a test to check that the token was visible so that NPCs effects wouldn't show if the NPC wasn't showing. The problem is it was checking tokenvis for players also which is not a thing so always returned false.

I'll update the version at the top later tonight.

All good in FGU as well my man!

Edit: Wait... it shows in the chat window but nit in the effects list anymore.. wth.

Edit 2: If my ring has just one effect, e.g. [AC: 1] it works. If I put [SAVE: 1] as well no effects show up.

Edit 3: Probably a conflict with the 5e enhancer. :(

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Originally Posted by 4wire

All good in FGU as well my man!

Edit: Wait... it shows in the chat window but nit in the effects list anymore.. wth.

Edit 2: If my ring has just one effect, e.g. [AC: 1] it works. If I put [SAVE: 1] as well no effects show up.

Edit 3: Probably a conflict with the 5e enhancer. :(

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It works in my local tests in FGC. I can't speak to FGU (not testing there). You can check that it's working if you toggle the item identified as well. It'll change the effect from VIS to GM if the item is not identified and back when you toggle it off.

And if you have other extensions that do anything in the CT or effects it is quite possible it's messing about with the behavior of this one. Try disabling them all except this one to verify.

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Originally Posted by celestian

It works in my local tests in FGC. I can't speak to FGU (not testing there). You can check that it's working if you toggle the item identified as well. It'll change the effect from VIS to GM if the item is not identified and back when you toggle it off.

And if you have other extensions that do anything in the CT or effects it is quiet possible it's messing about with the behavior of this one. Try disabling them all except this one to verify.

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If I put all effects in one effect box, it works though. So it seems, in FGU, teh problem is with an item with multiple effect entries. FGC is fine.

E.g.
[AC:+1;SAVE:+1] -> works

[AC:+1]
[SAVE:+1] -> no worky

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Originally Posted by celestian

Have you tried it in FGC yet?

If the NPC has the effect attached it should place it. FGU has another problem with editing an existing record (for maps at least). Try making a local copy of the NPC, add the effect to that one then place it into the CT and see what happens.

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so did some debugging and its the death indicator extended extension which caused the issues, after disabling it works fine :).

I found that all you have to do is close the NPC and reopen to fix the UI (and redo whenever you make changes) so its not a hard workaround.

Just skimmed through the thread and didn't see it mentioned but I was hoping to add the Giant Slayer Greataxe effects for a player. The damage is the easy part:

IFT: TYPE (giant); DMG: 2d6 slashing (Action Only option checked)

The other effect assigned the to the weapon forces a giant to make a DC 15 STR check. If they fail they go "prone". Is it possible to add this effect via the mod? Thanks for all the work you do, this really should be added to the core application as it helps automate so much of the tedium.

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Originally Posted by dotsoncs

Just skimmed through the thread and didn't see it mentioned but I was hoping to add the Giant Slayer Greataxe effects for a player. The damage is the easy part:

IFT: TYPE (giant); DMG: 2d6 slashing (Action Only option checked)

The other effect assigned the to the weapon forces a giant to make a DC 15 STR check. If they fail they go "prone". Is it possible to add this effect via the mod? Thanks for all the work you do, this really should be added to the core application as it helps automate so much of the tedium.

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There is no way to add an effect from an effect right now. You'd have to add the power and effect to the item and when the weapon is used it triggers the save and if they fail then manually apply the effect.

Its not a save, its a check. I don't recall it being possible to make checks, I hope there is and you can tell me as I need it for grapples. As an extra wish, an IF(check/save failed, do this) type code would be awesome. :)

Is this working for other people in FGU? I don't seem to be getting this section automatically put onto a PC sheet.

EDIT: I found it sorry but it is not letting me save what I put in.

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Originally Posted by avitale34

Is this working for other people in FGU? I don't seem to be getting this section automatically put onto a PC sheet.

EDIT: I found it sorry but it is not letting me save what I put in.

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It's saved, the window is not updated. Same problem for effects on items. That's an FGU issue.