Earthdawn v128 uploaded to the FGWiki

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Originally Posted by OneSidedDie

You should be able to type a number in the modifier box and then drag it into the chat window. From there you can move it over to one of the armors or straight to the damage box to have it apply damage.

Anyway, a 16 hour game? That sounds awesome! I'd love to hear any other input you have since I still have yet to actually run a game in FG2 for Earthdawn. I'm just finally in a place in my life I can relax and devote myself to gaming again.

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Thanks for that, i had never used that trick!

It went very very well indeed. I used Mists of Betrayal, and had 4 players. We managed to get through 3/4 of the whole session, even allowing for a short lunch/dinenr break. The ruleset automation held up superbly, with most combats taking less than 1/2 hour. One of the players had never played ED before either, with the others having about 6 hours online experience.

We would normally meet up every 3 months or so for a 2 day game, but are finding it more difficult to arrange these, so will probably have a full day game evry couple of months and meet up in person when we can

Wow! 16hr game, that's a torture test for any ruleset, glad to hear it held together... no odd memory leaks, etc..

Another quick method to getting a result number is by typing /die # in the chat box.

/die 5
/die 205 some text here (to add a description)

will give you just those numbers as a usable drag and drop score..

also typing /step 10 will roll step 10 for you as well

/step 10 some text here (also works for descriptions)

Yeah, knowing the target number would be required to know what type of success was generated, didn't yet have a good way to discern that, probably would have felt cumbersome.. I keep thinking that there was something in the success level table that kept it from being simple math, and having to program in a large table seemed overkill at the time...

-kirbol

I was going to start with a manual table and then go from there. According to one of the developers (read about it here) it is based on probabilities and isn't easily calculable. So I think a static table is the way to go.

I was thinking some sort of window you can type the target number and drag the result into to determine the success level. I'm not sure if this is the best way to do it but I'm thinking it should be easy enough to implement. Maybe even a simple slash command "/success (roll) (target)" and have it output in chat the success level.

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Originally Posted by OneSidedDie

I was going to start with a manual table and then go from there. According to one of the developers (read about it here) it is based on probabilities and isn't easily calculable. So I think a static table is the way to go.

I was thinking some sort of window you can type the target number and drag the result into to determine the success level. I'm not sure if this is the best way to do it but I'm thinking it should be easy enough to implement. Maybe even a simple slash command "/success (roll) (target)" and have it output in chat the success level.

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The Rolemaster ruleset has an option where a roll can be made, and the GM can right click and choose the "Resolve" option, which then looks up the attack/critical on the appropriate table and reports the result. That may be an option?

It was not a major hassle, but i suppose it would be a good addition to an already fine ruleset

I'll take a look at my options and see what's most viable for that. Bare minimum I'll put an in-game chart in.

Alright, another thing I've changed is removing the automatic willforce use in spell effects. 3rd edition's willforce has a strain cost (unlike 2nd ed which had no negative effects to using it) so it shouldn't always be used. The effects of willforce can be added in the combat tab, you'll just have to have two per attack, one with and one without willforce (Unless I can somehow make it a check box option).

Anyway, Kirbol, is there any reason to use a formatted text for spell/talent/skill references and a string for the character sheet version? I changed all of mine to formatted texts so it's easier to copy over from the reference to the character sheet without having to type up to separate descriptions. It just seems overly complex to me I just wanted to know if there was a technical reason for it I should be aware of.

There was a reason for that in the way that prior versions of FG handled formattedtext vs stringtext within a listitem. I could not get them to copy from the Library into the skills tab. It would just drop the text. So I added the string so that a copied version of the ability would have something, and when making the library entry, it only cost me two paste operations instead of one. Honestly, it was one of those minor bugs I meant to check in on when newer releases came out, to see if the need for it could be removed... and um... never got around too....

Does this appear to no longer be required? Are you able to drag and drop formatted text into the list items now?

-kirbol

Works perfectly for me! I've manually typed out a lot of skills and talents into a module and they copy over just fine with formatted text. I had to change the templates as well as the lua to accept the formatted text in a drop but it works.

A lot of the changes I've made so far won't be compatible with the v137 as it changes some of the data structure around.

Requires action for skills and talents are now strings as it is more than a simple yes/no.

I've removed the fields for circle and discipline from skills because neither are valid for skills. Changed the description in skills and talents into formatted text.

Removed automatic addition of Willforce from spell effects because it's an on-use ability that takes strain.

Added extra string fields in the character sheet talents/skills/spells next to strain, threads for extra notes, most commonly "(see text)"

Removed indication of general skill since all skills except knowledge and artisan are general and replaced with a default use check box to say it can be used untrained.

Fixed the map to work properly with a hex grid.

Updated steps up to 40.

Carry capacity calculation updated. Removed dexterity penalty on over burden as that doesn't seem to exist in 3rd edition.

Added karma check boxes to the "attacks" list item so you don't have to keep opening and closing each to change your karma options. Although I can't get them to show/hide as they do in "attacksfull". If they are checked and the ability doesn't allow karma it won't roll the karma but the box is still there.


Things that still need doing are:

Reformatting the monster templates to consolidate # attacks and # spells as they simply use # actions, used as they want with spells and attacks. Monsters no longer award a flat number of legend points. They are categorized in circles (like D&Ds challenge rating) such as 1st circle, 3rd circle (1 per 2 characters) and 2nd circle (group).

Need to remove all instances of combat movement/full movement. Full movement is simply double regular movement. I'll probably enter blank spots for other kinds of movement such as flight or swimming.

I made a quick module for the success results table. I tried making it a button in the toolbar on the right but couldn't figure out how to put table in any windows it would pop up. I'd rather implement some sort of drop or "roll against" system to automatically compare the result with the table. I may need your help on that one.

Another thing that would be nice (although not necessary) would be a combat options window to calculate the modifiers for darkness, aggressive attack, etc.



I'll try to put together a package that will add as many changes as I can but still keep ongoing 2nd edition campaigns from breaking. I'll be out of town for about a week though and will work on that when I get back.

OK, I've taken some of the basic updates that I've done that would still be compatible with games created in v137 so people who have been using it to play 3rd edition games can enjoy some of the 3rd edition rules. Once I'm done messing with my other changes I'll put together another package that can be used for new 3rd edition campaigns but won't be backwards compatible. It only contains the changed files as this board only lets me upload attachments 9.5 MB and it ends up being 13 with everything. As always, make sure that you back up your rulesets/campaigns before overwriting.. I'd hate for anyone to lose any time because I missed something. Feedback is welcomed and encouraged!

Changes are as follows:

Removed automatic addition of Willforce from spell effects because it's an on-use ability that takes strain.

"Borrowed" peices of the 4E ruleset to fix the map to work properly with a hex grid as well as update the icons associated with it.

Updated steps to 3rd edition (With a maximum of step 40).

Carry capacity calculation updated to 3rd edition. Removed dexterity penalty on over burden as that doesn't seem to exist in 3rd edition.

Modified the "/step" chat command to limit at step 40 as well as handle errors when entering in no number or a string.

Very minor update. I am looking into a way to get the result levels to show up on their own with a roll. I haven't had too much time to work on it. I would appreciate any help that my fellow Earthdawn fans can offer. In other news, if you haven't seen yet. FASA has taken back the publishing rights to Earthdawn again and is working to revitalize the line!

Changes are as follows:

Fixed proper spell effect calculation on the spells tab.

Added "/result" chat command to easily look up success levels. Usage: /result [target #] [die result #]. It will output if that is a pathetic, poor, average, good, excellent or extraordinary success.

Man Earthdawn is my favorite system, I'm so glad to see someone is keeping the ruleset alive!