Omg kickstarter stream was awesome

I don't work for smiteworks. Don't everyone get their hackles raises at SW because I dare offer my opinion.

I think this whole business about everyone trying to exploit every last dollar from SW is BS.

FG unity is a different product from FGC. SW never, ever, ever tried to pull the wool over anyone's eyes.

FG is/was/ the best deal on the VTT marketplace. Everyone got the product they paid for, probably many, many, many times over.

I don't want MY KICKSTARTER money to go towards providing a free product for everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Kyuss11

If I payed 120 for my ultimate license than I can see the 60 dollar difference to make it 180 total dollars. There shouldn't be a TIME LINE on the price difference but what you payed for the Ultimate license. Like I said if I payed 120 but I payed 150 for the license in 2017,so I feel that it's unfair because I see a time owned factor and not the difference on what you payed for it. I assume this is what they were going with, that the majority payed 120 before 2018 so they see the 60 dollars as a fair price upgrade for a new customer at 180.

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You AREN'T paying AGAIN for the license you currently own. You ARE getting a discounted price on a license for the NEW FG Unity (a second install) client which allows you to continue to use all the DLC you have previously purchased.

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Originally Posted by seycyrus

I think this whole business about everyone trying to exploit every last dollar from SW is BS.

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I agree. But, to be fair, I'm not seeing many people do this (perhaps I'm not hanging out in social media spaces where this is happening?). The vast majority of user comments I've seen so far seem to think the pricing structure for a brand new platform with many thousands of hours of development under the hood and many thousands to come, is very fair. In fact, a lot of Ultimate license users have said they'd have been OK paying for it all over again.

In the end - FGC (FG Classic) is not going away in the near future. If anyone feels that the price for them to get a reduced cost upgrade to a new platform (that support all of their DLC and custom content) is too much/unfair, then they can keep playing with FGC. No one is being forced to move to FGU and contribute to the many thousands of hours development time necessary to move to the new platform.

Ok, whatever I guess for those who paid 120 for ultimate even before 2017 of which they have had it longer than me get to pay for the dicounted price for a new fg ultimate unity license for only 60 dollars which means they only pay a total of 180. However I payed 149 and now must pay 60 dollars for a new fgu ultimate unity license because I didn't make the 2018 date or before when fantasy grounds was only 120 for the ultimate license. If no one here understands that the people who bought this in that 1 year maybe timeline is getting screwed out of 30 dollars than so be it,doesn't make it right.
I have spent hundreds of dollars on books and love fg but I feel that the decision to make a timeline based on pay and not the difference of what you payed to meet the 180 total for a new fantasy grounds unity ultimate license is the issue. I just wish I bough fg a long time ago when it was 80 or 100 and then I would pay even less than a new customer.

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Originally Posted by Kyuss11

Ok, whatever I guess for those who paid 120 for ultimate even before 2017 of which they have had it longer than me get to pay for the dicounted price for a new fg ultimate unity license for only 30 dollars. However I payed 149 and now must pay 60 dollars for a new fgu ultimate unity license because I didn't make the 2018 date or before when fantasy grounds was only 120 for the ultimate license.

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I'm completely confused by this statement. The Ultimate license when I bought it in 2012 was $149. Where are you getting the information that FG Ultimate was $120 before 2017?

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If no one here understands that the people who bought this in that 1 year maybe timeline is getting screwed out of 30 dollars than so be it...

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Yeah, that's what I'm struggling to understand - because FG Ultimate was $149 before 2017 too.

EDIT: Even so, if it was $120 before 2017, you still got to use FG Ultimate for a bunch of time. Companies increasing their prices over time is quite natural. How much is that 4 months of using FG Ultimate worth? If you went with a subscription you would have paid $40 for that 4 months in 2017. I know you didn't go with a subscription, but that is just a direct comparison of FG cost vs. time. Looking at it in more depth - the cost/month you've paid so far - $149/19 months = $7.84/month. For the 4 months you had FG in 2017: $7.84 x 4 = $31.36. So, if you really want to look at cost to upgrade based off the difference in your 2017 purchase to the 2018 reduced FGU upgrade cutoff - you're actually saving $1.36! ;-)

The $120 sounds like the upgrade price from Standard to Ultimate. Or possibly the sale price during a sale period? At any rate the Ultimate one off payment has always been the same for as long as I've used FG which is getting on for 5 years now.

The cost of FGU is likely to be exactly the same as FGC - $149.
If you buy FGU outside of the kickstarter its likely to cost you $149.

If you buy FGU inside the kickstarter you get a discount.

Small discount if you dont own FGC already.
Big discount if you do own FGC.
And even bigger discount if you have only bought FGC in the last 15months.

No one is paying more.
Everyone is getting an opportunity to pay less.

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I'm completely confused by this statement. The Ultimate license when I bought it in 2012 was $149. Where are you getting the information that FG Ultimate was $120 before 2017?

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Ok,well than I'm sorry for my dumbass assumption on the information that I thought was right.
I though there was a price difference before I purchased the ultimate license in 2017. My bad!

On a more positive note.... I'm looking forward to supporting kick starter. I'm really looking forward to the new map making abilities with using layers and asset ids. Will we be able to have a separate folder to store the asset ids or will it be in a sub-folder like tokens are in FG?

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On a more positive note.... I'm looking forward to supporting kick starter. I'm really looking forward to the new map making abilities with using layers and asset ids. Will we be able to have a separate folder to store the asset ids or will it be in a sub-folder like tokens are in FG?

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No worries Kyuss. I always kick myself when I miss a sale on something. There are always cases where there is an optimal time to buy something and when there is not. For instance, there is normally a Summer Sale and Holiday Sale each year where everything is discounted. We don't value customers more during the sale than we do those who bought outside the sale, and yet they still got to buy at a lower rate. It's just the nature of the beast and there has to be a cut-off somewhere. What I will say is that we will do our best to make your purchase as awesome as we can and we hope to make this the best purchase you've ever made when you look back on it in another few years.

I will say the bundles are the best. I just got to have all the books in the bundles and there always cheaper than regular price. Thanks!