Step Counter

Just picked this up.

First, thank you for porting this 3.5 it does not get enough love in my opinion.

While testing the extension I noticed a few odd things. (Also running Walk this Way if it matters)

When moving diagonal, as long as you move multiple diagonals at a time it calculates distance correctly, but if you move in sections, it loses track of whether the previous diagonal cost 5ft or 10ft. and resets to the next diagonal costing 5ft. Don't own 5e to know if this works the same in that version.

Also, 3.5 does not recognize -dash- as an effect so when I click it to go double speed it does nothing. Could 3.5 get a button for Double Move, that doubles all speed modes. Bonus points for a Run button that quadruples (may need one for running in heavy armor as it only triples speed, sorry it is complicated). Bonus bonus points if it automatically adds Flat-Footed as you’re denied your Dexterity bonus to AC when Running.

Once again thanks so much for the extension and I understand if this is more of a whenever I get to it type issue.

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Originally Posted by tim2w2

Just picked this up.

First, thank you for porting this 3.5 it does not get enough love in my opinion.

While testing the extension I noticed a few odd things. (Also running Walk this Way if it matters)

When moving diagonal, as long as you move multiple diagonals at a time it calculates distance correctly, but if you move in sections, it loses track of whether the previous diagonal cost 5ft or 10ft. and resets to the next diagonal costing 5ft. Don't own 5e to know if this works the same in that version.

Also, 3.5 does not recognize -dash- as an effect so when I click it to go double speed it does nothing. Could 3.5 get a button for Double Move, that doubles all speed modes. Bonus points for a Run button that quadruples (may need one for running in heavy armor as it only triples speed, sorry it is complicated). Bonus bonus points if it automatically adds Flat-Footed as you’re denied your Dexterity bonus to AC when Running.

Once again thanks so much for the extension and I understand if this is more of a whenever I get to it type issue.

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First off: appreciate the note, and very much appreciate the feedback.

For diagonal moves: The purpose of the "steps" is to indicate that you want it to start counting again and then add the two distances. It is not intended for it to try to interpret what you "meant", i.e. that you intended to make one move diagonally in the same direction. If you make a step, then continue to move diagonally, it will interpret that as two separate moves. If you erroneously made a step, or changed your mind about a step, you can use the "undo step" button and then do it correctly the second time and get the desired counting.

I should probably remove the "dash" button from non-5e rulesets, instead of just having it not work. As far as adding a button for double-move: If Dash was actually a double-move, it would be super easy, I can just check for a different tag word. But Dash in 5e is not a double-move. It increases your move by your base move speed. So if you dash twice, it isn't 4x your speed, it's 3x your speed. So adding a function that is different, would be a lot more work. I will add it to my to-do list. But I can't promise a timeline. I generally try to avoid adding features that are only usable in non-5e rulesets (I try to just universalize things that are there for 5e) because I only play 5e. I can add Run and Flat-footed to the to-do list as well but they sound like much more work and may not happen.

Sorry, it sounds like a bunch of excuses but I've heard and you will look into it. Thank you for your feedback.

This works in Savage Worlds, but it should use Inches for movement not feet. In world terms each Inch is 6 feet, but in game terms movement is all based around how many Inches your character can move.

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Thanks for responding.

Maybe I am missing something? How do you walk around obstacles or corners on the map? I uploaded an image of two characters spending movement to walk around a large column. Both start in the same area and make the same number of diagonals to get around the column, but the cleric uses 35ft. and the goblin only uses 30ft. If that is how the extension is supposed to work that is fine, it is still useful to me for the handling of difficult terrain on the map. I just have to be mindful when my players move around things.

As for the Double Move and Run that it is fine as well, I have effects already made for those that I can drag and drop on the players to modify speed for the round.

Thanks again for the extensions.

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Originally Posted by Jiminimonka

This works in Savage Worlds, but it should use Inches for movement not feet. In world terms each Inch is 6 feet, but in game terms movement is all based around how many Inches your character can move.

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Step Counter uses the units that are set on the map (as should FG). See screenshot 1. It looks like on the map from your screenshot, the units is set to 5 feet per grid. You can either change the units on the map (what you probably should do) or you could set your conversion to "tiles" in the options. See screenshot 2.

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Originally Posted by tim2w2

Thanks for responding.

Maybe I am missing something? How do you walk around obstacles or corners on the map? I uploaded an image of two characters spending movement to walk around a large column. Both start in the same area and make the same number of diagonals to get around the column, but the cleric uses 35ft. and the goblin only uses 30ft. If that is how the extension is supposed to work that is fine, it is still useful to me for the handling of difficult terrain on the map. I just have to be mindful when my players move around things.

As for the Double Move and Run that it is fine as well, I have effects already made for those that I can drag and drop on the players to modify speed for the round.

Thanks again for the extensions.

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Thank you again for the feedback. This is a really good question that I had not throught of.

I can see from your screenshot that you are using the extension correctly in order to get around corners. The difference between the two measurements is a difference in interpretation of the rules on how to count squares. My understanding was that you start over in the counting of diagonals if you change direction, which is how my extension is counting. You (and apparently smiteworks) appears to believe that you don't start over on the diagonal counting until the turn is over. I'm gonna have to do some research to see if one point of view is "correct", and if not, what is the consensus on how people want it it to work, and adjust accordingly. I'll get back to you on that one.

No worries, that is just how I have always done it since 3rd edition hinted/suggested going full tactical combat on maps, then fully adopted in in 3.5e. I honestly have no idea how 4th/5th does it. In case you have not figured it out by now I'm old lol.

Ran into a weird (but harmless?) bug today while playing, where the count of feet moved was no longer in an integer:

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I just undid the step and redid it, and it was fine. It happened once or twice more, but it was easy to fix/ignore. I didn't notice any ongoing issues, but I thought you might want to know. It's getting irrational! ��

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Originally Posted by coyote670

Ran into a weird (but harmless?) bug today while playing, where the count of feet moved was no longer in an integer:

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I just undid the step and redid it, and it was fine. It happened once or twice more, but it was easy to fix/ignore. I didn't notice any ongoing issues, but I thought you might want to know. It's getting irrational! 😄

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I appreciate your report. That shouldn't be possible, so you must be having some rare set of circumstances that I didn't predict. There's isn't really much I can do about that without being able to recreate it. If you are able to recreate the problem and give me steps so I can recreate it or send me a zipped up copy of your campaign (you can leave the image assets out to save space), I can maybe find the issue and fix it. Otherwise, I apologize that it's happening.

If it happens again, I'll try to recreate the steps*. It might have just been some weirdness that'll never happen again. :shrug:

*Pun not originally intended, but I'll take it.:D

The Units for displaying Speed only has option Feet and Meters. No Tiles, unless I am looking in the wrong place.

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Originally Posted by Jiminimonka

The Units for displaying Speed only has option Feet and Meters. No Tiles, unless I am looking in the wrong place.

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Originally Posted by coyote670

If it happens again, I'll try to recreate the steps*. It might have just been some weirdness that'll never happen again. :shrug:

*Pun not originally intended, but I'll take it.:D

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I reworked the rounding system. I did not find a smoking gun but I was a little more aggressive with trying to prevent this sort of thing. Hopefully it won't happen again.

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Originally Posted by tim2w2

Thanks for responding.

Maybe I am missing something? How do you walk around obstacles or corners on the map? I uploaded an image of two characters spending movement to walk around a large column. Both start in the same area and make the same number of diagonals to get around the column, but the cleric uses 35ft. and the goblin only uses 30ft. If that is how the extension is supposed to work that is fine, it is still useful to me for the handling of difficult terrain on the map. I just have to be mindful when my players move around things.

As for the Double Move and Run that it is fine as well, I have effects already made for those that I can drag and drop on the players to modify speed for the round.

Thanks again for the extensions.

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I did some research and discovered that my interpretation of how to count diagonals was wrong. I've changed the way SC counts diagonals in "variant" method to what is generally considered the correct way of doing it (which matches FG's method).

I also removed the Dash button for non-5e rulesets, and added a Double-Move and Run buttons. The Run button does check for heavy armor (to determine triple or quadruple speed), but does not affect AC. It's not a complete solution but it should save you a bunch of effort going forward.

Step Counter v2.4.0

• FIXED: SC was resetting diagonal count for variant diagonal rules when changing directions due to misinterpretation of rules by author.
• FIXED: Clients were able to use quick-forward-back buttons on unowned creatures.
• FIXED: Distance labels were being cut-off.
• FIXED: Losing label colors when relogging.
• Reworked background effect processing to use new ruleset effect system and end reliance on BCEG.
• Changed non-default fonts for speed labels to be more theme-friendly.
• New Option: Several options for how to round distance reporting.
• New Option to report distance MUCH more frequently, defaulted to off.
• Added protections against unit mismatching and improved feedback for unit mismatching problems.
• Support added for global effects window.
• Added some protections against rare odd movement behaviors

FWIW, today, when Step Counter is active, everyone is getting the console log popping up at the start of their turn, with this error message:

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I, as DM, am getting that error at the start of every actor's turn, whether Step Counter is active (i.e., the button is clicked) or not.

I exited the game, removed Step Counter as an extension, and restarted; no more error message.

Also, while Step Counter was active, the round counter was not automatically incrementing, even if I clicked the Next Round button. Once I restarted the campaign without Step Counter active, the round counter incremented.

Finally, there were a couple of points while Step Counter was loaded and active where moving 5 feet used up a hundred or two hundred-odd feet of movement. No idea what that was about, but I bet it's probably the same root cause.

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Originally Posted by coyote670

FWIW, today, when Step Counter is active, everyone is getting the console log popping up at the start of their turn, with this error message:

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I, as DM, am getting that error at the start of every actor's turn, whether Step Counter is active (i.e., the button is clicked) or not.

I exited the game, removed Step Counter as an extension, and restarted; no more error message.

Also, while Step Counter was active, the round counter was not automatically incrementing, even if I clicked the Next Round button. Once I restarted the campaign without Step Counter active, the round counter incremented.

Finally, there were a couple of points while Step Counter was loaded and active where moving 5 feet used up a hundred or two hundred-odd feet of movement. No idea what that was about, but I bet it's probably the same root cause.

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I was getting similar weird behaviour today with Step Counter as GM. Session crashed several times when I tried to move a token with arrow keys. Character speed was set to 0 for some reason and could only move by teleporting (holding SHIFT+move). Got a couple weird errors, pics rel. Hope this helps.
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Originally Posted by Farratto

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In Savage Worlds it only has Feet and Meters in that Units for displaying Speed option. No tiles. I will delete the extension and reload see if its stuck on some old version.

Deleted, updated and restarted, same option Meters and Feet. No Tiles. :)

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Originally Posted by coyote670

FWIW, today, when Step Counter is active, everyone is getting the console log popping up at the start of their turn, with this error message:

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I, as DM, am getting that error at the start of every actor's turn, whether Step Counter is active (i.e., the button is clicked) or not.

I exited the game, removed Step Counter as an extension, and restarted; no more error message.

Also, while Step Counter was active, the round counter was not automatically incrementing, even if I clicked the Next Round button. Once I restarted the campaign without Step Counter active, the round counter incremented.

Finally, there were a couple of points while Step Counter was loaded and active where moving 5 feet used up a hundred or two hundred-odd feet of movement. No idea what that was about, but I bet it's probably the same root cause.

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This sounds like some kind of data error. I'm not able to recreate this problem but I've got a report of the same error message from someone else. I'm looking into it, and will try to push an update as soon as I'm able. If you're able to send a zipped up copy of your campaign (you can leave the image files out), that would be very appreciated.

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Originally Posted by charmov

I was getting similar weird behaviour today with Step Counter as GM. Session crashed several times when I tried to move a token with arrow keys. Character speed was set to 0 for some reason and could only move by teleporting (holding SHIFT+move). Got a couple weird errors, pics rel. Hope this helps.
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For the second error message, I found and fixed that problem but can't update the forge until Monday.

The first error message may be caused by one of the other problems I fixed, by something I didn't find, or maybe not by StepCounter at all. The error message is coming from the ruleset. Hopefully after I update forge, all your problems will disappear. But please let me know if they do not.

Speed setting to 0 seems unrelated to me. Probably that creature had some sort of root you didn't notice. If you're ever not sure why a creature has a speed max you don't expect, double-click their speed in either the CT or the character sheet. This will open their "speed window" and at the bottom, all effects affecting their speed will be listed. Also for the future, you can always turn movement limitation off to override a maxxed speed. You can use the image button of a chain to turn it off for everyone, or you can right-click and do it for an individual creature.

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Originally Posted by Jiminimonka

In Savage Worlds it only has Feet and Meters in that Units for displaying Speed option. No tiles. I will delete the extension and reload see if its stuck on some old version.

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Ah yes, my bad. I forgot I had set tiles for 5e only. I did that maybe 5 years ago before I started supporting so many rulesets. I opened up a SWADE campaign and messed around a bit. All the free maps look like they don't have units on their grids. So I did a quick search on the web. Please tell me if this is correct: Generally, each grid is 1 inch, which translates to 6 feet or 2 meters. Is the information I found, correct? I don't play SWADE.

I'm not Jiminimonka, but I have ran Savage Worlds: yes, in SWADE (and all versions of Savage Worlds), 1" (one inch) is 6 feet or (roughly) 2 meters. Movement (known as Pace) and range are all in inches.

Okay, here's the campaign, minus the Images folder.

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Originally Posted by coyote670

I'm not Jiminimonka, but I have ran Savage Worlds: yes, in SWADE (and all versions of Savage Worlds), 1" (one inch) is 6 feet or (roughly) 2 meters. Movement (known as Pace) and range are all in inches.

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Thank you for this information. I'm working on this. I see rulesets SavageWorlds, SWADE, and SWD that this applies to. Are there any others that you are aware of?

I believe those are all the versions of Savage Worlds that are in FG. (I think those are the versions of SW there have been, unless you divide them by printing.)

Thank you Farratto for looking into it! My next session is in 2 weeks but if anything comes up during my prep I'll chime in here.

Edit: For some reason, the character with 0 speed had a periapt of wound closure that was causing it. Removing the effect restored his speed. Periapt used in conjunction with Equipped Effects and 5eAE modules.

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Originally Posted by Farratto

Thank you for this information. I'm working on this. I see rulesets SavageWorlds, SWADE, and SWD that this applies to. Are there any others that you are aware of?

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Pathfinder for Savage Worlds is another.

Thanks

Thanks for the info. I'll take a look at the uploaded campaign and Periapt of Wound Closure to make sure it's not something I'm doing.

Step Counter v2.4.2

• FIXED: console errors in unusal cases
• FIXED: getVisible() API not always returning correct value. Compensations added.
• FIXED: rare nil max-distance reports
• Load-in performance improvement
• Support added for SavageWorlds-based rulesets to include inches and correct conversions for those rulesets.

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Originally Posted by Jiminimonka

This works in Savage Worlds, but it should use Inches for movement not feet. In world terms each Inch is 6 feet, but in game terms movement is all based around how many Inches your character can move.

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This should be working in Savage Worlds as expected now. Please let me know if it is not.

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Originally Posted by coyote670

FWIW, today, when Step Counter is active, everyone is getting the console log popping up at the start of their turn, with this error message:

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I, as DM, am getting that error at the start of every actor's turn, whether Step Counter is active (i.e., the button is clicked) or not.

I exited the game, removed Step Counter as an extension, and restarted; no more error message.

Also, while Step Counter was active, the round counter was not automatically incrementing, even if I clicked the Next Round button. Once I restarted the campaign without Step Counter active, the round counter incremented.

Finally, there were a couple of points while Step Counter was loaded and active where moving 5 feet used up a hundred or two hundred-odd feet of movement. No idea what that was about, but I bet it's probably the same root cause.

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I was not able to replicate all of this. I am hoping that once you got the console error, the other problems were due to the shutting down of the script. I added a bunch of measures to prevent this type of console error from coming back. Please let me know if you still have trouble.

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Originally Posted by charmov

I was getting similar weird behaviour today with Step Counter as GM. Session crashed several times when I tried to move a token with arrow keys. Character speed was set to 0 for some reason and could only move by teleporting (holding SHIFT+move). Got a couple weird errors, pics rel. Hope this helps.
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The StepCounter error is fixed now. I also had mistakenly set "Stable" as a rootable condition, so periapt of wound closure should no longer "root" creatures. Please let me know if you have any other problems.

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Originally Posted by coyote670

Okay, here's the campaign, minus the Images folder.

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You had significant database corruption in this campaign, which was causing your problems. I'm not sure how it happened, but I used your campaign as a model to write some data cleaning scripts into WtW and SC. I tested it on your campaign, and it cleaned it well. The only thing is first time you open the campaign with SC, you'll have to enable Step Counter and then either hit "next actor" or hit the brush icon on the image window (clean data or something, I forget what I called it).

If you have any other problems, please let me know.

Thanks

Farratto, thank you! I did as you said (hit the "Clear all creature distance data", etc.); the game isn't until Sunday, so I won't be able to thoroughly test until then. I'll let you know if there are any issues.

I don't know if anyone has their extensions hooking into StepCounter, but for anyone that does, I am forced to rename my main script from MovementManager to StepManager. It will get pushed to the forge on Monday. Your extension will throw an error after that unless you update. Sorry for the inconvenience caused.