Release 19 - Information and feedback

I have a PC that is reporting zero for all of his defenses in the combat tracker, even when removed from combat tracker and readded. This is not just a display bug; monsters target his defenses correctly, however if he is targetted by an activity from another PC it treats his defenses as actually being 0. I noticed when someone rolled a 21 to grapple him and it reported a crit success, despite his fortitude being +12.

I haven't seen if the issue persists across export/import, but in case it does I have attached a copy of his XML file.

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I have also noticed a separate issue with defenses involving editing a monster. If you add a monster to the combat tracker, open its data, and then edit it, editing its HP or saving throws will immediately be reflected on the combat tracker (i.e. if I change its Fort save from +4 to +2 then the save under Defenses on the combat tracker immediately changes to +2). However, if you edit its AC, the AC on the combat tracker does NOT change, and will only change if manually changed in the combat tracker rather than the monster's data.

This is also not just a display issue; attacks rolled against the monster's combat tracker entry use the AC value in the combat tracker, not the AC value in the monster's data.

I have a weird thing going on with a Stealth Item bonus in the Character Effects applying twice when I roll Sneak (or another Stealth-based activity) on the Activity tab. However, it only applies the +1 bonus once when the character rolls Stealth on the Skills tab.

No extensions (other than a theme).

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Originally Posted by MaxAstro

I have a PC that is reporting zero for all of his defenses in the combat tracker, even when removed from combat tracker and readded. This is not just a display bug; monsters target his defenses correctly, however if he is targetted by an activity from another PC it treats his defenses as actually being 0. I noticed when someone rolled a 21 to grapple him and it reported a crit success, despite his fortitude being +12.

I haven't seen if the issue persists across export/import, but in case it does I have attached a copy of his XML file.

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See known issue #4 in post #4 here: https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...l=1#post696110

I have updated the code for AC, Saves to appear correctly in the combat tracker and be available for PC to PC attacks and saves. And also re-worked the Skill VsDC code to allow PC to PC checks to correctly get the DC.

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Originally Posted by MaxAstro

I have also noticed a separate issue with defenses involving editing a monster. If you add a monster to the combat tracker, open its data, and then edit it, editing its HP or saving throws will immediately be reflected on the combat tracker (i.e. if I change its Fort save from +4 to +2 then the save under Defenses on the combat tracker immediately changes to +2). However, if you edit its AC, the AC on the combat tracker does NOT change, and will only change if manually changed in the combat tracker rather than the monster's data.

This is also not just a display issue; attacks rolled against the monster's combat tracker entry use the AC value in the combat tracker, not the AC value in the monster's data.

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I'll look into that. Thanks for reporting.

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Originally Posted by scottbrown

I have a weird thing going on with a Stealth Item bonus in the Character Effects applying twice when I roll Stealth (or another Stealth-based activity) on the Activity tab. However, it only applies the +1 bonus once when the character rolls Stealth on the Skills tab.

No extensions (other than a theme).

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I thought I'd squished that bug! It's specific to rolls with the "secret" trait. I'll investigate a fix. Thanks for reporting.

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Originally Posted by pumpkinstew

Another shield issue came up in play last night. Because the new SHIELDBLOCK effect looks for an equipped shield on the character with the effect (rather than the character who applied it), it doesn't work with feats such as Shield Warden which allow you to Shield Block an adjacent ally.

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Coming to Fantasy Grounds PF2 campaigns near you soon...

https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...chmentid=58755

There seems to be an issue when cycling through the Mode settings on the Activities page. To make sure this was not an issue with any extensions, I loaded up a vanilla PF2e campaign and created a new character as well as testing with an imported character. I am running my resolution at 2560x1440 and FG is full-screen. After creating the new character and extending the window to take up ~2/3 of the screen height and then start cycling through the Modes.

When I get to Mode: Exploration I see this --

https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...6&d=1693849335

Those items below the main window will scroll with the other text and after they make an appearance in the character sheet window they never show up below the window like that again until I cycle back through the Modes to Exploration again. Also, it does not happen unless the window is opened past a certain point in height on my screen.

I have also tested this with an imported lvl 11 character and it still happens but the behavior is a bit different. If I leave the windows its default height after opening it and cycle through the Modes it does not happen until I get to the All mode, but it is still there. As before, once I scroll and the item that shows up gets into the main window frame the issue goes away until I cycle back through the Modes to All again and it comes back.

I have tried various iterations of window height and cycling through the Display settings and do not see the same issue there.

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Originally Posted by Stargrove

There seems to be an issue when cycling through the Mode settings on the Activities page. To make sure this was not an issue with any extensions, I loaded up a vanilla PF2e campaign and created a new character as well as testing with an imported character. I am running my resolution at 2560x1440 and FG is full-screen. After creating the new character and extending the window to take up ~2/3 of the screen height and then start cycling through the Modes.

When I get to Mode: Exploration I see this --

https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...6&d=1693849335

Those items below the main window will scroll with the other text and after they make an appearance in the character sheet window they never show up below the window like that again until I cycle back through the Modes to Exploration again. Also, it does not happen unless the window is opened past a certain point in height on my screen.

I have also tested this with an imported lvl 11 character and it still happens but the behavior is a bit different. If I leave the windows its default height after opening it and cycle through the Modes it does not happen until I get to the All mode, but it is still there. As before, once I scroll and the item that shows up gets into the main window frame the issue goes away until I cycle back through the Modes to All again and it comes back.

I have tried various iterations of window height and cycling through the Display settings and do not see the same issue there.

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This is a known issue with FG in general, but the FG devs haven't been able to reliably reproduce it. It appears more often in the PF2 ruleset - hopefully this will allow the devs to identify the issue. I've added it to the known issues in post #4.

Ha! I was just going to update my post to say it might not be PF2e related.

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Originally Posted by Trenloe

Coming to Fantasy Grounds PF2 campaigns near you soon...

https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...chmentid=58755

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Amazing, thank you.

That seemed to do the trick thank you very much. Again, you are super responsive, and it is much appreciated.

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Originally Posted by Omwch

That seemed to do the trick thank you very much. Again, you are super responsive, and it is much appreciated.

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Thanks for reporting the problem. A couple of other people have mentioned it - and they have ranged weapons with the range showing "0" - I'll investigate adding some code to check for ranged = 0 in the ranged weapon action entry and set to the range of the base weapon record. I'm just trying to think if there's any reason someone would manually set their range to 0, as I wouldn't want to override that.

Maybe 0 can be treated as infinite for ranged weapons?

There's also an "issue" with shields having no entries for HP and then there's an error saying "no unbroken shield equipped" (or something along those lines). Obviously as soon as you know what the issue is, it's an easy one-time fix but we were struggling to find out why this was happening at first. Especially as it was on characters that don't actually have shield block and therefore don't use the shield HP mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Montis

There's also an "issue" with shields having no entries for HP and then there's an error saying "no unbroken shield equipped" (or something along those lines). Obviously as soon as you know what the issue is, it's an easy one-time fix but we were struggling to find out why this was happening at first. Especially as it was on characters that don't actually have shield block and therefore don't use the shield HP mechanics.

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The rules are that broken items can't be used - so a broken shield can't be used to add its AC when raised. A shield entry not having any HP is the issue here. Was the shield manually created or is it from a product?

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Originally Posted by Trenloe

The rules are that broken items can't be used - so a broken shield can't be used to add its AC when raised. A shield entry not having any HP is the issue here. Was the shield manually created or is it from a product?

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Well, we figured out what the issue is. The shields (plural) were from the Age of Ashes adventure path. I know that things have to be updated still and I know that R19 is very new and a lot of data is still missing. I just wanted to let you know that this is something that people might run into.

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Originally Posted by Montis

I just wanted to let you know that this is something that people might run into.

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I really appreciate that. I've added some code that assume that a shield with 0 base HP can be used as part of the Raise Shield action. If this causes other issue I may have to rethink that, but I think it's an acceptable assumption to make based off incomplete shield records.

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Originally Posted by Trenloe

I really appreciate that. I've added some code that assume that a shield with 0 base HP can be used as part of the Raise Shield action. If this causes other issue I may have to rethink that, but I think it's an acceptable assumption to make based off incomplete shield records.

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Seems like a perfectly fine solution :) Thank you!

Updated 5th September 2023!

"b" release update video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CBWP2oiWqA

There's a few fixes and some new functionality. Thanks for everyone who's reported issues and made suggestions - some issues are fixed in this release and some of the suggestions are implemented! Please keep the suggestions and issue reports coming. Thank you all!

Ruleset:

• [Updated] Chat version = PF2 release 19b
• [Updated] Redesigned VsDC handler to allow full access to PC data when acting against another PC.
• [Updated] Effect trait filters will remove any text within brackets - (...) For example:allows "Treat Wounds" effect matching to "Treat Wounds (Expert)" activity.
• [Updated] If ranged weapon action range = 0 in the PC actions tab, set range to base inventory item range.
• [Updated] Shields with 0 base HP can be raised and apply their AC bonus.
• [Updated] Shields with a break threshold of 0 can't be broken.
• [Updated] Update of shield AC then raising/lowering shield takes into account current equipped unbroken shield.
• [Added] Heal type = shield. Allows repairing of shields.
• [Added] Min Actions display to spells in the Actions tab.
• [Added] Ability to hide ApplyAllActions for spells.
• [Added] S+ (Success Plus) and F- (Failure minus) to action result level options.
• [Added] Prof# (prof number) to actions (currently only supported for skill activities). Untrained = 0, Trained = 1, Expert = 2, etc.. Initial use with the Repair (shield) activity.
• [Added] ShieldDC to activity skill target DCs. Used for Repair (shield) activity.
• [Added] Redesigned the SHIELDBLOCK functionality - the hardness of the equipped shield will be used, not need to specify SHIELDBLOCK: XX.
• [Added] Support for Repair (shield) activity - the first damaged equipped or carried shield in the target PC inventory will be repaired, and also used for the repair DC.
• [Added] SHIELDBLOCKALLY functionality - used for Shield Warden feat and similar.
• [Added] GM DC Panel - ability to close via right-click menu and open via desktop sidebar "Tool" button.
• [Added] [DEV] getEffectTargetNode functionality to the PFRPG2 effect handler.
• [Added] Not currently supported GM chat message for Usage = usecount.
• [Added] Activity and spell actions without a source actor (i.e. executed from a campaign data record) will use the currently active NPC and their targeting.
• [Fixed] Various CT issue:
• [Fixed] - PC AC and Saves not shown in CT.
• [Fixed] - Attack section shown when PC first added to CT.
• [Fixed] - Character effects toggle not shown when PC first added to CT.
• [Fixed] - Rest right-click menu not available for PC when first added to the CT.
• [Fixed] VsDC secret checks applying effects twice.
• [Fixed] R19 code updating inventory items wouldn't keep original identified state.
• [Fixed] Player would see incorrect chat warning regarding core rules module not open when opening a PC.

Core Rules Module Data

• [Added] Repair (shield) activity
• [Added] Shield Warden SHIELDBLOCKALLY activities.
• [Added] How to use text to Battle Medicine
• [Updated] Hide effects now GM visible only
• [Updated] Shield Block feat effect to use SHIELDBLOCK (no XX value)
• [Fixed] Ranger Hunt Prey class feature RANGEINC2MOD -2 instead of +2
• [Fixed] Sorcerer Elemental Blood Magic elemental energy effect using deception instead of intimidation.
• [Fixed] Actions not added correctly for feats with the same name.

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Originally Posted by Trenloe

[*][Added] Redesigned the SHIELDBLOCK functionality - the hardness of the equipped shield will be used, not need to specify SHIELDBLOCK: XX.

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Is it still possible to specify a value if you want? Some classes have effects that modify the effective hardness of their shield (champion is a big one) and I could see that you might not want to edit the actual item entry because it becomes a game of "wait, is 10 the actual base hardness of the shield, or did I already add in the bonus?" There are also effects like Everstand Stance that situationally modify shield hardness.

Also, a question about something I admittedly haven't had the time to test myself yet: does shield block as currently implemented only reduce physical damage? Is it possible to automate feats like Necromantic Deflection or Reflexive Shield, or do those have to be handled manually at the moment?

(Also by the way this is a great update; don't want you thinking I don't appreciate all the hard work that goes into these. :) )

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Originally Posted by MaxAstro

Is it still possible to specify a value if you want? Some classes have effects that modify the effective hardness of their shield (champion is a big one) and I could see that you might not want to edit the actual item entry because it becomes a game of "wait, is 10 the actual base hardness of the shield, or did I already add in the bonus?" There are also effects like Everstand Stance that situationally modify shield hardness.

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Yes, I've left in SHIELDBLOCK: XX to override the base shield hardness.

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Originally Posted by MaxAstro

Also, a question about something I admittedly haven't had the time to test myself yet: does shield block as currently implemented only reduce physical damage? Is it possible to automate feats like Necromantic Deflection or Reflexive Shield, or do those have to be handled manually at the moment?

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The SHIELDBLOCK code does specifically look for physical damage. I'll need to review those other feats - thanks for making me aware of them.

I'll be keeping an eye out for the Dynamic lore rolls then but till then I created a Copy of the Lore activity and changed its skill to one that matches the roll needed (Deception for my Thaumaturge player) that seems to work as a work around atleast. I wish the skill choice in the Skill Check automation list used the skills tab as its choices.

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Originally Posted by chaosknight199

I wish the skill choice in the Skill Check automation list used the skills tab as its choices.

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The generic cycler used to select the target DC is designed to be hard coded. It's going to take extra coding to enable the addition of dynamically created skills to be added in to the list of normal skills, save DCs and ShieldDC selections. It can be done, it's just that it's not quick and easy, but it will be done at some point.

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Originally Posted by Trenloe

The SHIELDBLOCK code does specifically look for physical damage. I'll need to review those other feats - thanks for making me aware of them.

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There's also some special shields that are a bit weird like the Dragonslayer's Shield and more importantly the Spellguard Shield that allows blocking damage from spells. Not sure if there are more of those.

Also the Shield cantrip can block damage specifically from Magic Missile, eh, I mean Force Barrage :P

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Originally Posted by Montis

There's also some special shields that are a bit weird like the Dragonslayer's Shield and more importantly the Spellguard Shield that allows blocking damage from spells. Not sure if there are more of those.

Also the Shield cantrip can block damage specifically from Magic Missile, eh, I mean Force Barrage :P

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Thanks for the examples.

The Dragonslayer shield can be handled via RESIST: 10 fire (or whatever) as that applies when the shield is held, it's not related to SHIELDBLOCK; if you do use block with that shield, the shield's hardness would be applied separately from RESIST effects.

Spellguard shield is a good example for me to look at. I think I'm going to have to add a damage type descriptor to SHIELDBLOCK, but I'll need to look into it further.

I'll also need to investigate the shield spell. Things are never easy, are they?!? ;)

Thanks again for the examples.

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Originally Posted by Trenloe

Thanks for the examples.
The Dragonslayer shield can be handled via RESIST: 10 fire (or whatever) as that applies when the shield is held, it's not related to SHIELDBLOCK; if you do use block with that shield, the shield's hardness would be applied separately from RESIST effects.

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Akshually :square: the Dragonslayer's Shield itself has the damage resistance, it doesn't grant the resistance to the wearer. Which imho is a bit dumb, but that's how I read the rules on this one.

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Originally Posted by Montis

Akshually :square: the Dragonslayer's Shield itself has the damage resistance, it doesn't grant the resistance to the wearer. Which imho is a bit dumb, but that's how I read the rules on this one.

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Ah yes, so it does. Thanks for that Paizo!

Hi Trenloe, Is there any intent to add "reload" automation for weapons that require it?

BTW, Thanks for fixing the DC 0 bug. It was causing us much grief last week.

Hi there! Excited to use the new update. Bit of an issue though. When I first installed the new version a few days ago I updated all the characters and there were no problems, everything looks great. One player has been on a business trip away from his home computer and just sent me his level up info this evening. I was inputting it and everything was going well until I tried to update skill proficiencies. Clicking in the Prof column does nothing. I can use every other function like adding a new lore or editing the skill list, but cannot change proficiency level. Checked the other characters and same problem. Tried creating a new character, same problem. Tried loading up another campaign whose characters were not yet upgraded to v19, same problem. And of course tried disabling all extensions and restarting the program. Hopefully this will be an easy fix. Thank you for all of your hard work!

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Originally Posted by AsmodeusUltima

Hi there! Excited to use the new update. Bit of an issue though. When I first installed the new version a few days ago I updated all the characters and there were no problems, everything looks great. One player has been on a business trip away from his home computer and just sent me his level up info this evening. I was inputting it and everything was going well until I tried to update skill proficiencies. Clicking in the Prof column does nothing. I can use every other function like adding a new lore or editing the skill list, but cannot change proficiency level. Checked the other characters and same problem. Tried creating a new character, same problem. Tried loading up another campaign whose characters were not yet upgraded to v19, same problem. And of course tried disabling all extensions and restarting the program. Hopefully this will be an easy fix. Thank you for all of your hard work!

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I've locked the skills tab down due a few requests asking to do that to avoid accidentally clicking on a skill proficiency. Enter edit mode (click the brown "/" button in the top right) to change. I had originally changed the frame on those fields when locked down to indicate they were read only, but it looks like a recent CoreRPG update has broken that - I'll fix that as a slight help to indicate the fields are read only.

Is release 19b2 (which I see in chat today) newer than release 19b as described in post #97?

It would be a nice convenience if in the activities tab for skills the word to the right of the skill that describes proficiency (e.g. Medicine - Trained) was more specific and said (Medicine - Expert) if the person was an expert.

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Originally Posted by Trenloe

I've locked the skills tab down due a few requests asking to do that to avoid accidentally clicking on a skill proficiency. Enter edit mode (click the brown "/" button in the top right) to change. I had originally changed the frame on those fields when locked down to indicate they were read only, but it looks like a recent CoreRPG update has broken that - I'll fix that as a slight help to indicate the fields are read only.

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Cool, thanks! Knowing is half the battle. The other half is clicking the correct button!

Would it be possible to add ETTS and ETTR modifications to the buttons in the tool/effects panel? You could use shift-drag of hidden onto the target to apply hidden on you with respect to your target and control-drag of flat-footed onto yourself to apply flat-footed to your target(s) with respect to you.

A few answers to recent posts:

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Originally Posted by webdove

Is release 19b2 (which I see in chat today) newer than release 19b as described in post #97?

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Yes. Any number after a letter is usually a minor release/hotfix.

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Originally Posted by webdove

It would be a nice convenience if in the activities tab for skills the word to the right of the skill that describes proficiency (e.g. Medicine - Trained) was more specific and said (Medicine - Expert) if the person was an expert.

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That's not the intent of the proficiency name listed. The name is the minimum required to use the activity and is similar to the Skills chapter in the Core Rules.

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Originally Posted by webdove

Hi Trenloe, Is there any intent to add "reload" automation for weapons that require it?

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Not sure what automation you're referring to?

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Originally Posted by webdove

Would it be possible to add ETTS and ETTR modifications to the buttons in the tool/effects panel? You could use shift-drag of hidden onto the target to apply hidden on you with respect to your target and control-drag of flat-footed onto yourself to apply flat-footed to your target(s) with respect to you.

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I think that would be a bit too complex to implement reliably. I'll consider something like this for a future release, but it would be difficult to fully communicate how to use such effects from the campaign effects list with this type of targeting.

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Originally Posted by Trenloe

A few answers to recent posts:


Yes. Any number after a letter is usually a minor release/hotfix.


That's not the intent of the proficiency name listed. The name is the minimum required to use the activity and is similar to the Skills chapter in the Core Rules.


Not sure what automation you're referring to?


I think that would be a bit too complex to implement reliably. I'll consider something like this for a future release, but it would be difficult to fully communicate how to use such effects from the campaign effects list with this type of targeting.

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Thank you kindly for your responses. I appreciate your efforts very much. Keep up the good work.

I added a new Activity category named "Class Features", and then added a new Activity section named "Magus", into which I added an activity and then favorited it. This is what I ended up with:

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It didn't propogate the name of the section "Magus", and it added a second section. Neither of which I can change or edit in any way, even if I hit the edit button in the lower right. I've also tried exiting out of the campaign and reloading, same thing. No extensions loaded.

I did renumber/reorder all the categories, but Favorites is still 00, in case that matters. I can send you the db.xml if you want.

EDIT: I tried a "Rebuild PC feat, feature, and item activities" and it left the new category and section there, but deleted the activity. The section under Favorites is still named "-", but the extra section is gone now.
EDIT2: And after I rebuilt the activity and favorited it, it did not appear in the Favorites section.

Found a typo in the "Palm an Object" "How To Use" text:

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EDIT: there's another one 2 lines down, "agains" instead of "against".

Would it be possible to have the "Create Activity" radio button within items actually create the activity when you check it on? That button only seems to appear when the item is in your inventory, not when it's in the party sheet, and doing a full rebuild of all activities seems like overkill when just one item changes.

The item in question is Oil of Potency, which currently doesn't have any effects in its record, but probably should (at least for the AC/Resilience option, the weapon option might be a little more problematic).

EDIT: I created an activity manually for the item in question. When I favorited it, it ended up in the wrong section. It ended up in the custom magus section per my other post above.

Just wanted to say - thank you so much for going ahead and adding in the "fallback" on spell save DCs. One of my players wants to play an Exemplar from the playtest for a one shot and that being there means I have a reasonable way to handle save DCs for the class' special abilities without having to actually put all the work into creating a new class. :)

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Originally Posted by darrenan

I added a new Activity category named "Class Features", and then added a new Activity section named "Magus", into which I added an activity and then favorited it. This is what I ended up with:

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It didn't propogate the name of the section "Magus", and it added a second section. Neither of which I can change or edit in any way, even if I hit the edit button in the lower right. I've also tried exiting out of the campaign and reloading, same thing. No extensions loaded.

I did renumber/reorder all the categories, but Favorites is still 00, in case that matters. I can send you the db.xml if you want.

EDIT: I tried a "Rebuild PC feat, feature, and item activities" and it left the new category and section there, but deleted the activity. The section under Favorites is still named "-", but the extra section is gone now.
EDIT2: And after I rebuilt the activity and favorited it, it did not appear in the Favorites section.

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You can't edit anything within the Favorites section, because it has settings that are required to make it work, and the activities listed there reflect the base activity. This is very specifically by design based off functionality and issues encountered in the beta test.

The section name for an activity added to favorites is taken from the "Category" field in the individual base activity record.

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Originally Posted by darrenan

Would it be possible to have the "Create Activity" radio button within items actually create the activity when you check it on? That button only seems to appear when the item is in your inventory, not when it's in the party sheet, and doing a full rebuild of all activities seems like overkill when just one item changes.

The item in question is Oil of Potency, which currently doesn't have any effects in its record, but probably should (at least for the AC/Resilience option, the weapon option might be a little more problematic).

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I'll investigate showing the Create Activity button for items in the party sheet.

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Originally Posted by darrenan

EDIT: I created an activity manually for the item in question. When I favorited it, it ended up in the wrong section. It ended up in the custom magus section per my other post above.

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See my response above.