Leozelig,
When creating our own spells, or typing in new spells from DCC books and modules that I have purchased, how do I get it to "roll on the table" to type out the effect of the Spell Check? It is not obvious from looking at the spells you created in the Base Rulebook how you get those to roll Spell Check Results. I assume it is deep down in the LUA files that you created these, am I right?
Thanks
Kirklandone
It might be possible to code this into the ruleset. The player would need to have the recipient targeted and set up an action for lay on hands. I have a few other things I am working on right now, but this might be a good project down the road - thanks for the suggestion.Quote:
Originally Posted by kirklandone
Yes, casting table results are coded in the scripts/data_spell.lua file. It's not too complicated to add a spell to this file, but it would require you to create an extension.Quote:
Originally Posted by kirklandone
I noticed there is a "0 or less" result on many of the DCC tables but FG doesn't seem to allow for a 0 or less result. Thus, these rolls produce no output result. Can this be fixed? Also, currently the FG damage output can fall to zero whereas in the DCC ruleset it should be a minimum of one (1). Thanks again Leo for the effort you are putting in to bring DCC to FG!
Thanks for the feedback, T... I will check the table results. As I recall when I tested these, the output for a roll of 0 or less was the lowest table result even if the table starts at 1. I didn't realize damage could be zero in DCC. I guess it never came up in my games. Do you happen to know where in the rule book that is stated, just out of curiosity?
Those are easy fixes - I will add them to my list. I am working on some new content, but I will get to the ruleset updates soon.
Sorry, I wasn't clear. The lowest damage possible in DCC is 1 damage, but currently in Fantasy Grounds the damage output is 0 if the STR modifier is negative and the damage die roll is low.
EDIT: Hey Leo, I rechecked the table output with the latest update and it is outputting results properly for "0 and less results"; so I'm not sure what issue I was seeing, sorry if I sent you on a wild goose chase on that one. However I did verify that damage output on FG can result in 0 on both STR and AGI based weapons; when it should be a minimum of 1 damage per DCC rules.
Ok, I will take a look at that.
So I have yet to buy this official ruleset (I plan to soon), but had a question before I did so. Does this ruleset contain the rulebook needed as well? Or a slimmed down version of it? I only have experience with PF2 in FG where the ruleset was free, but if you wanted to have the entire functionality you would buy the rulebook to have access to everything in game. And then as a GM you could share your player rulebook with players in case they don't have a copy or don't want to buy one for a one off session.
I'm guessing this is probably obvious to most experienced FG players, but unfortunately I wasn't able to find anything before posting this. I haven't bought any of the other rulesets like Traveller or Rolemaster, so I don't have any other experience to base this off of. Thanks.
thelagermeister, yes the full rule book is included, with a players version to share; and includes 3 adventures
Do you have an example data_spell.lua that you can share? I know the one packed in the *.DAT file is password protected. Or, better yet, do you know if Libram Arcanum is being converted for FG?Quote:
Originally Posted by leozelig
Kirklandone
Is there some instructions for this rules set. I'm very familiar with FG, since I've had it for 14 years or so, and I've been running 5E for a few years now.
So, I rolled up a warrior with the DCC rules, working through it, and I just can't understand how the application arrived at the warrior's attack modifier.
Its either +4 or +6 depending on whether I click the Deed Dice star. With a strength of 17, that's +2.. and then a d3 is suppose to be how it goes. Where
are the extra +2 or +4 coming from??? Is there a way to roll deed dice and attack dice at the same time? Its rather confusing. Is there a note card somewhere that
explains this?
Thanks for any help in advance.
Hey Captcorajus, I tried to duplicate what you are getting by creating a warrior with 17 STR and rolling the Deed die. However, I get a +3 to +5 at first level. What level is your Warrior? The Deed die increases with level so if you are higher level the Deed die is different, but I see no combination that would yield a +2 to +4 result. Have you checked the "WeaponMeta" entry for a possible errant +1 on the Deed die? It has a bonus field. Or an errant +1 on the weapon itself or an errant Ability Score entry on the attack stat? I know you said you're very familiar with FG but I find I still make mistakes filling in data on occasion.
I'm completely new to Fantasy Grounds but have managed to figure out most everything I've needed for running a DCC funnel using the ruleset. However, I'm a bit stumped on how to handle initiative for a funnel. Is the assumption that we'll just use the normal per-character initiative, or is there a way to handle group initiative for each player's mob of characters?
Another detail that would be nice for funnels is if luck were visible on tokens. I think for this I'm just going to enable character names on tokens, and add the character luck score to the player name—that will give me an at-a-glance reference for luck-based targeting provided the players don't mess with it. If there are better options I'd love to hear them.
Hey Tuirgin, I've run a few funnels and I have found that having the Judge roll for all initiatives is the quickest method for handling initiative. Group initiative would be nice but there is not a way to do that in basic FG and I'm fairly certain there is not an extension that does this for the DCC Ruleset.
Displaying Luck would be nice; I tend to keep the Party Sheet open for quick reference, but I have multiple large monitors. Token icons tend to be too small for my old eyes to see, but your mileage may vary.
Thanks, Tabarkus. How do the players feel about having the Judge roll all initiatives? My fear was that it'd feel like some player agency was being taken away. On the other hand, at the beginning of a funnel where you've got up to two dozen characters maybe the expediency of auto-rolled initiative is well worth it.
I'm trying out putting luck at the beginning of the character names; i.e. "[09] Shortlived Monsterfodder". It does get scaled pretty small when you have a map scaled to fit so many tokens on screen, but it's the best solution I've come up with for quick reference. I'm definitely making good use of my newly acquired progressive lenses. ;)
I've not had a single player complaint when Judge control of initiative was introduced as an expediency issue. Even with players who are new to me as a Judge/DM.
Awesome. I'll stop worrying about it, then, and just roll with it. Thanks!
I am not aware of any conversion, but that doesn’t mean much. Can you access the .pak file in the rulesets folder? You should be able to open the file in Notepad++ or any xml editor.Quote:
Originally Posted by kirklandone
I have a user manual from the unofficial ruleset that I can share. The most recent deed die roll is saved and applied to attack and damage when you activate the star icon. If you want to reset this, click the magnifying glass icon in the weapons header and set the ‘Result’ field to 0.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captcorajus
I posted a blog entry about my experience with running funnels in FG. I used the party sheet to reference luck scores - it’s also useful for looking at occupations. I used one initiative per player (using the best init bonus from their batch of zeroes), and each player used the same token for all of their PCs for my own sanity. You don’t need to assign init to every PC in the combat tracker, just one PC per player. That’s just what worked for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuirgin
Thanks, I'll check that out.Quote:
Originally Posted by leozelig
I have attached the user guide for the DCC RPG ruleset. I will link this in post #1 as well.
I ran my first session on FG last night, and it was also my first time running DCC, and I had quite a few people in the session. There was bound to be some rough patches. My players rolled with it admirably. Rather than one portrait per player, I went with unique portraits with a set of color coded tokens I made up, and I threw everyone in the combat tracker thinking that would make handling targeting and roll resolution easier. In practice, it was a bit of a hot mess trying to manage all of that, so with the next session I'm definitely going to try the things you suggest in your blog entry: 1 portrait and token per player, and only adding to the combat tracker the character with the highest initiative per player. I think this means, though, that any tokens on the map are just representational and not linked and you handle all the rolling manually like you would in a face-to-face game? I suppose you could put the one combat tracker token on the map, but for funnels that would only work if each player's mob stayed together. How do you handle effects when going this route? Best I can tell, effects can only be applied to and seen from the combat tracker.Quote:
Originally Posted by leozelig
My goal, really, is to run more theater-of-the-mind style combat. I'm still grappling with how to manage this with online play, and admittedly I've only run theater-of-the-mind with PbtA games where combat is a lot more fluid and loose. Those games, when done online, went without a VTT, and just relied on video chat, with 1 character per player and a group "character keeper" in a shared google drive. Running trad RPGs with a VTT begs for some kind of graphical representation, even if it's completely abstract. If anyone has insight on this, or can point to good sources of info, I'd appreciate it.
One technical snafu I had was that players were able to manipulate other players' tokens. I didn't think this was supposed to happen. I assume I set something up wrong.
One thing my group noticed last night is that when rolling a Luck check from the character sheet, FG handles it in the normal check-against-DC way; i.e. a d20 is rolled and has the luck modifier applied to it and the gm is left to determine if it's a success. If I understand it correctly, in DCC a Luck check is actually 1d20 evaluated against LUCK+modifier, where d20<=LUCK+mods is a success. If this is, in fact, the way it's handled, it seems it could be automatically resolved since it's a roll against a known value (LUCK+modifier) rather than a Judge-determined DC. Is this something that's even technically feasible on the dev side?
Congrats on your first game! I'm still experimenting with how to run large numbers of PCs. I've been using FG for nearly 5 years now and have a large monitor so handling a large number on characters on the combat tracker feels fairly easy to me. I'm sure things will change over time for you but just try experimenting and you'll find what works for you now. Sometimes I find targeting for my players with less FG experience helps things flow more smoothly; and I've dropped everyone on a blank map just because map targeting is easier for some people than combat tracker targeting.
For Tokens: "Players can move their own and Allied (Friendly) tokens on the map. You can lock Token movement and this will stop them moving other tokens, (though you still create a 'movement request' line to be drawn, it's just easier to correct this) - and then you will have to approve each move." EDIT: Also, there is an extension written that prevents moving other friendly tokens that a player doesn't own and also manages issues with token stacking. I'm not sure if it works with the DCC ruleset though. I think it's called the Generic Token Swapper - Critically Awesome Essentials
Luck: I've only been playing DCC for a short time but it is my understanding that Luck can be used either as a roll to hit a DC# or a value to be rolled under on a d20 to accomplish some Lucky action or avoid some unlucky occurrence. So I just adjudicate it as I choose to use it in the instance. I'm not sure if there is a clear cut distinction between when to use one method or the other. EDIT: perhaps I read this elsewhere but the rulebook uses the phrase "usually resolved by" in reference to rolling under the value of your Luck on a d20.
Thanks! There were some moments where I was seriously struggling to stay on top of a lot of things and felt like I was floundering. However, all 7 of my players want to continue playing. I was hoping for at least a few after having months of struggling to find anyone to play something other than the behemoth everyone knows. One of the 7 can't make the same day as the rest of the party going forward, so guess who's getting a new campaign going... To struggle as much as I did and then have every single person want more is really encouraging.
For this first session, I dropped people into the game with pregens and minimal discussion of the UI and just went for it. I tried to talk them through things as they came up, and I had a few people figure some things out that they were able to share. I targeted for people until they figured out how to do it, themselves. It worked. But for the 2nd campaign that's getting started, I'm going to keep it to a smaller party and do a Session 0 and walk everyone through rolling DCC characters and basic use of the UI.
Tokens: Ah! Okay... I missed that about being able to manipulate allied tokens. Right now I'm leaning towards not using player-manipulated tokens at all. Even if you start without a grid enabled and are just using tokens to indicate loose and relative positioning, the instinct seems to be to go into grid-combat mode. So I may use tokens and maps when needed to clarify a complex situation, but have players stick to verbal descriptions of where they move and what they do. Honestly, I'm debating how much of FG's automation I want to employ. DCC's mechanics are simple enough that there's really no need to rely on the baked in UI super-powers.
Luck: Hrm... I've never heard of Luck being tested against a DC. I'd only ever heard of it being used as a roll-under check. But I haven't dived into the numerous zines for DCC, either. At any rate, it's easy enough to just have the players roll a d20 resolve it manually.
I have no DCC experience but just wanted to say I picked up the ruleset yesterday... am looking forward to seeing what it is like. May pick up a printed version if the NSFLGS has a copy.
After picking up the ruleset I made a bunch of portraits and tokens from the original artwork. I contacted Goodman Games to see if and under what conditions they were okay with distributing them. I was thinking perhaps they could be included with the ruleset or something. They told me to go ahead and post them to the Goodman Games forums, and if permissible, to Fantasy Grounds, as well. I posted a thread with the info about them over here: https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...its-and-Tokens
Bottom line is that there's a set of just under 180 matching portraits and tokens which are derived directly from the original artwork.
Here's an interesting thing I found.
- Access Library > Modules > Dungeon Crawl Classics Role Playing Game and click Load, then close Data Module Activation
- From the Library, select the core rules manual to list the contents in the Library's bottom right panel, then click on the Tables link
- Select Table 1-3: Occupation: what appears is a static text-only table—no links.
- Click the Tables button from the Campaign Data sidebar, then locate and open Table 1-3: Occupation: what appears is a roll table which includes columns of linked items and a call on the equipment table to generate the L0's random equipment.
The roll-table version of the list can also be accessed from the "Reference Manual".
It appears that all of the tables listed at step 3 are static. This confused me at first. Apparently when I first tried creating characters with the FG DCC ruleset I accessed the static version of the occupations table and ended up going and creating my own roll tables to help generate characters faster.
I wondered what the reason was for having two different sets of the same table, so I loaded up the "5E Sample Campaign" and checked out the entries in the Library to see if the Table list from the library provided static tables, too. I was thinking that maybe it was just an FG thing which escapes me as a new user. Those tables, however, were roll-tables with active links. So now I'm wondering if this is a minor bug, or if maybe there's a reason for it.
A brief instruction on creating new characters for DCC wouldn't be a bad thing. Is the Wiki the appropriate place for that? If so, all of the "Store" rulesets are locked, and DCC isn't listed among them. I don't mind helping out providing documentation of what I learn as I go, but I also don't want to just jump in and make a mess due to having so little experience with FG and the community here.
Possible bug/missing info:
- monstrous manual, 3 entries for blue dragon (hatchling, juvenile, old) but all three list the same THACO (7).
- Monstrous manual, entry for zombie, monster missing damage per attack (4-16 per hardcopy of monstrous manual).
(also, I'm new here; if this isn't the place for this sort of thing someone please drop me a note!)
I think you might have meant to post in this thread: https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...eedback-threadQuote:
Originally Posted by jeffreyac
This thread is specifically for the Dungeon Crawl Classics ruleset—no monstrous manual here, and DCC uses ascending AC.
I included the reference tables in case anyone wanted to simply look something up - the rollable tables are hard to read, especially the longer ones like occupations. I have been busy with some other content, but the core rules module is next on my list for updating. The static tables will be removed if they have a rollable counterpart, so no more confusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuirgin
I'm not sure how to create a new wiki entry. You can create a forum thread with a character creation tutorial - I would really appreciate that since my free time is very limited these days.
Also, regarding luck checks... Sometimes judges use a DC target for the luck check, so that option needs to be in there. I have considered creating a 'Luck Check' button on the character sheet in the past that uses the more typical "roll under" method, but since it's just a straight d20 roll, it seemed unnecessary.
That makes sense—I've been experimenting with making some homebrew refs and looking at tables in documentation vs roll-tables and understand a little better the trade-offs there. And, yeah, the tables with cascading table calls are highly useful but unintelligible as readable documentation, so it's making sense. Thanks forQuote:
Originally Posted by leozelig
I've got a party of players that are new both to DCC and FG (as am I), so am considering how to teach folks what they need to know in order to handle leveled characters. I'm considering writing tutorials per class to give some tips about basic management in the character sheets. If I do that, I'll make sure they make it to the FG forums or wiki or both.Quote:
Originally Posted by leozelig
That makes sense, and I agree—easy check that automation wouldn't dramatically improve. Re: Luck against a DC, I wasn't aware it was a thing people are doing, but I'm really new to the DCC scene. Lots to learn all around.Quote:
Originally Posted by leozelig
Thanks for your help!
Guys, how do I roll the funky dice? I'm aware of the command (/die), but this not practical at all...
If yoou right-click a die, in the radial menu you can find the funky dice connected to that clicked die...
To add to the last response, here's as much as I've figured out.Quote:
Originally Posted by pablomaz
You can access the zocchi dice by clicking on the standard dice, then navigating into the custom dice. The placement of the zocchi dice is based on the DCC rulebook's instructions for how to roll the funky dice values without actually having them. Once you know that, you can do the following:
- Manually go through each of the dice and drag the custom dice to your hotkeys.
- Use chat commands: /die 1d5
- Use the +1d/-1d/+2d/-2d modifiers and then roll one of the standard dice
They are organized according to a Goodman Games forum post about how to get Zocchi dice results from standard dice. This is described in the 'Desktop' section of the user guide (see post #1).
d6 - d3
d8 - d7
d10 - d5, d30
d12 - d24
d20 - d14, d16
Use hotkeys or dice swap buttons as Tuirgin suggested if you need quick access.
I'm sorry. I didn't see the user's guide on the first page...
Thanks!
I've been referring to the 5E_Effects page while exploring how effects work. But is there any way, without access to an unencrypted version of the ruleset, to determine which modifiers, descriptors, etc. are available for use with the DCC RPG ruleset?
I believe the user guide lists the descriptors associated with effects, such as ‘Prone’ and ‘Squeezing’. Most of the basic effects should work, like AC, ATK, SAVE, etc. You can specify ‘ATK: 2 melee’ for a +2 bonus to melee attacks only, or ‘SAVE: 1 fortitude’ for a +1 bonus to fortitude saves. Abilities are STR, AGI, STA, PER, INT, and LUCK.
DR should work for damage reduction.
Conditional effects should work.
RESIST, IMMUNE, and VULN work, but resistance in DCC is complicated. If you have 5 fire resistance, it absorbs 5 hp fire damage per round, but the ruleset applies resistance like 3.5E and 5E (per attack). I don’t know how to code it per round, or if that’s even possible. Resistance is sometimes shared by the whole party, just to really complicate things.
CRIT and SCOVER are not in there. None of the 5E-specific effects are, like CONC or ADV/DISADV (obviously).
If that doesn’t answer your question, let me know.