Shop & Town Extension for 3.5E / Pathfinder / 4E

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Originally Posted by Nickademus

I would suggest structuring this like the group design in the Magic Schools section of Inner Sea Magic. (The structure is for any kind of organization.) This would include Entrance Fee, Entrance Exam skill check, Tuition/Dues, Associated Skills, Semester/Membership Term, and Expulsion fields as well as a bullet list for boons and awards. The skills could even possibly have buttons that would roll the skill for the selected character.

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That's pretty specific to Pathfinder, and may not be useful in keeping the extension usable across multiple rule sets.
On the other hand, if a Pathfinder-specific extension is desired, I'd probably advocate for something like the NPC sheets, where choosing the type (NPC or Trap/Haunt) makes specific combinations of fields available. The schools are an adjunct to the Factions of the Faction Guide, and the fields are different.

Affiliations in 3.5 were different enough that I am not sure one extension could serve both Affiliations and Factions without having several unused fields depending upon whether you were using Affiliations or Factions. A few fields would be generic enough to be common, of course.

It looks like the scrollbar problem in Town.ext wants something like this.

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<scrollbar_list>
                <scrollbar>
                        <anchored to="list" position="right" offset="-5,-5" />
                        <target>list</target>
                </scrollbar>
</scrollbar_list>

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You might not even need the <scrollbar_list> part... I'm not sure what this does for you.

EDIT: That wasn't quite right.. but I've fixed the problems with the extension. I'll post it up in a bit.

Updated the Town.ext to deal with some minor glitches.

I really think that if the developer of an extension is still active that updates should be fed back through them for them to update the extension.

I'm not taking anything away from your debugging and work to present an updated extension Blackfoot, but it could get confusing very quickly if different people are releasing different versions of the same extension.

Might I suggest that if anyone finds fixes to issues with an extension that they PM the extension developer with the info so that they can combine the fixes into the most recent version of the extension.

I actually fixed a ton of stuff in the extension... a lot of little number changes to move the graphics into proper positions and things like that. I also added a 'close button'. A good bit of general simplification of the anchoring code.

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Originally Posted by Blackfoot

I actually fixed a ton of stuff in the extension... a lot of little number changes to move the graphics into proper positions and things like that. I also added a 'close button'. A good bit of general simplification of the anchoring code.

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That's great work. :-)

Fixing lots of stuff is even more reason to communicate what you have done to the main developer and allow them to incorporate the changes into any future version. They may already be working on the next release...

The last thing we want is confusion over who is developing this extension or which version to use.

Also, I see it as a courtesy to the developer to let them maintain their own code... If you weren't aware bradmcadam has passed development and maintenance of his code onto brochr.

I actually hadn't intended to fix it at all, just find the solution for the scrollbar problem.. but while I was in there I just kept finding little broken things and it snowballed.
Unfortunately the details of what exactly I fixed and where.. well.. umm.. yeah.. that's not exactly clear. I did 'mostly' fix the font issue too by replacing most the fonts with other fonts that are found in CoreRPG.

So who is actually maintaining this now? It's great work from everyone involved!

Yes, great work. Unfortunately the shop extension doesn't seem to work well with the 4E rule set. When I drag and drop something from one of the books in the library, the price and description isn't transfered over to the shop.

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Originally Posted by Bidmaron

So who is actually maintaining this now? It's great work from everyone involved!

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brochr is now maintaining these extensions, with permission from the original developer bradmcadam.

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Originally Posted by lokiare1

Yes, great work. Unfortunately the shop extension doesn't seem to work well with the 4E rule set. When I drag and drop something from one of the books in the library, the price and description isn't transfered over to the shop.

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Ok, first you have to drag and drop the base item over to the open item window, then back to the shop and it seems to work fine after that. Is there any automation where it removes the gold value from inventory when you buy the item? I seem to remember one of my players doing that, but can't seem to get it to work.

Great job, but as I can see, there's no way to export shops to a module?

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Originally Posted by brochr

Hi Folks

A BIG thank you to Trenloe for doing a quick update for the Shop Database to make in compatible with FG3.0 and to work with the CORERPG engine. I have polished it up a little to make the look and feel closer to FG 3.0

We have tested it with CORERPG, Pathfinder and 3.5E and the same version works for all. It should also work with other rulesets without modification.

I have also updated the Town database in the same way and it should also be compatible with most rulesets.

Apart from the code updates, the file naming is now further simplified as there is no need for different branches for the D&D and Pathfinder rulesets.

With Brad's agreement I will be doing some further work based on these extensions and I am interested in comments on the following developments I have done.

Places Database:

This extends the "shop" idea to cover all kinds of locations - temples, taverns, hideouts, castles etc. My current code has five tabs:

- Main: fields: place type, alignment, deity, clientele, GM notes
- Notes: free form descriptive text
- NPCs: links to NPC & Groups associated with the place
- Story: links to Story entries associated with the place
- Inventory: inventory items available at the place, the prices and links to library item records

Groups Database:

This adds a way to keep track of groups or affiliations in game, like clans, tribes, religious organisations, secret societies etc. It allows you to add NPCs and keep track of their relationship (e.g. member, enemy, friend etc)

My current code has five tabs:

- Main: fields: type, alignment, scale, GM notes
- Notes: free form descriptive text
- NPCs: links to NPC associated with the group and their role
- Story: links to Story entries associated with the group

Please feel free to comment or suggest additional fields. I will release a beta in about a week or so.

I will also update the Town database to link to these databases once any bugs from the conversion have been dealt with.

All the best

Toph

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Great work indeed! Thou I find small bug which break Town extension in my unofficial SW4 ruleset:

extension_start.lua line 9: DesktopManager.registerDockShortcut is invoked with 7 parameters, however CoreRPG supports only 6 and actually last two ("tab_npcs", "tab_shops") doesn't seem to do nothing. I suspect old code base in these cases, no?

Why does it get broken in my ruleset and not in CoreRPG, because in my ruleset 7th parameter is optional number and when bypassing string instead it doesn't like it.

Hi Guys,

Not trying to steal anyone's thunder or anything, but are you aware I released an Extension for the CoreRPG called Locations which includes all of the Towns and Shops Extension stuff, plus has a bunch of other stuff in it as well - and its fully backwards compatible with the old Towns and Shops Extensions?

Links are:

https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...abse-Extension

or

https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...RPG-Extensions

Cheers

Yes, I am aware of it and I like it very much! However it's already compatible with my SW4 ruleset and I am looking for CoreRPG exts which have some compatible issues and mentioning them for awareness/fix purposes :)

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Originally Posted by dulux-oz

Hi Guys,

Not trying to steal anyone's thunder or anything, but are you aware I released an Extension for the CoreRPG called Locations which includes all of the Towns and Shops Extension stuff, plus has a bunch of other stuff in it as well - and its fully backwards compatible with the old Towns and Shops Extensions?

Links are:

https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...abse-Extension

or

https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...RPG-Extensions

Cheers

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Originally Posted by Ikael

Yes, I am aware of it and I like it very much! However it's already compatible with my SW4 ruleset and I am looking for CoreRPG exts which have some compatible issues and mentioning them for awareness/fix purposes :)

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Ahh, I misunderstood the intent - sorry.

I am curious, however, as to why the Shops and Towns Extensions are still being used, considering that the Locations Extension (in effect) supersedes them - I suppose its similar to the question why would people still use FG v2.9.4 when FG v3.0.3 is available? The only reason I could come up with was that people weren't aware of the Locations Extension.

Having said that, people are, or course, free to use whichever Extensions, Rulesets, Modules, etc that the like - I was just trying to be helpful :)

Cheers

I wasn't aware of this extension. And I am able to export shops data now, thanks!

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Originally Posted by kane280484

I wasn't aware of this extension. And I am able to export shops data now, thanks!

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You're welcome.

Cheers

Please don't hammer me (too hard) for reviving a 5-month old thread (although its content still appears completely relevant).

I am just starting to explore some of the extensions that we have (my explorations are currently limited to PFRPG, and specifically the ROTRL campaign - my first Pathfinder campaign, as well as my first FG campaign). Tenian's Language Chat extension was my first encounter, and after watching the video, I look forward to making use of it.

Anyway, discovering the availability of the topic of this thread, i.e. 'Shops and Towns' (and now 'Locations'), has me immediately wondering whether any well-known entities (and, given my previous statement, I'm sure you can anticipate where I am going with this) like Sandpoint are represented in a 'module' for inclusion in an existing campaign? (I hope that question makes sense.)

@swest - firstly you should *consider* using this instead due to its greater scope - https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...abse-Extension
but to answer your question - probably not. we cant share copyright protected info without express permission...

Agreed (regarding 'Locations'), I only figured that out after I had finished this posting, and I didn't want to double-post the same question over on that thread (although, perhaps I should).

w.r.t. the copyright issue, I assume that we would operate under the same generous dispensation that is in place for other modules, to wit: I am using another GM's Rise of the Runelords module, because I was able to provide a sales receipt showing that I owned the Anniversary Edition of ROTRL...

Even if someone only had a partially complete Sandpoint module, it would be useful, as it would give me a starting point, with familiar data, that I might even be able to expand upon, and contribute back into the community.

Thanks for the response.

- s.west

We have been given permission to share Pathfinder Society material only. The Anniversary Edition falls in that category.
See this link - in particular post #24.
https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...-modules/page3

So I think you might be out of luck...

I'm confused. The Anniversary Edition was what I was asking about.

Why did you say, "So I think you might be out of luck..." ?

- s.west

Sorry - is Sandpoint standalone material or is it part of that module?

Oh, well that's probably another question... and I'm probably not experienced enough with Pathfinder to answer it with any authority.

I believe that Sandpoint came about originally as part of the original Rise of the Runelords publication, but since then I think that it has achieved an independent identity within Paizo's 'world'...

I'm not even sure that sentence answers the question :confused:. I get confused pretty easily when trying to discriminate between some of these competing copyright questions.

- s.west

I think this is a very grey area. The agreement with Paizo is for sharing Fantasy Grounds campaigns with GMs you can prove that they've purchased a Paizo scenario/module/Adventure Path product that is for Pathfinder Society play. Entering Sandpoint into this extension and then distributing the data could be viewed by Paizo as not being part of the original agreement as this extension is community produced (not part of the core product that the agreement is for) and is storing the town specific information in a completely different format. It can be argued either way: that this is within the spirit of the very loose original agreement or that this is really quite a different way of storing data to the original agreement.

In the end the agreement was to allow GMs to privately share Fantasy Grounds campaign data for PFS sanctioned adventure content as long as the person receiving the FG data could prove that they own the original product. This doesn't cover public distribution or something similar (which I know no one is suggesting). Just be prepared to withdraw/stop sharing if Paizo get wind and don't like it.

Thanks, trenloe, for adding to this discussion.

Of course, I don't have any intention of posing this question to Paizo myself (the last thing we want is a to have a bunch of FG dweebs, like me :) inundating them with frivolous requests and losing what we have already), however I'm wondering if there is such an avenue available, for, say, the 'authorized FG representative' to ask?

Or maybe we could start a thread with requests of this sort, and sort them by value, and every 6 months or so, ask for the top one on the list... Just a thought.

Anyway, thanks again for the clarification.

Hey! there are no dweebs here! are there? errr... maybe...
:)

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Originally Posted by swest

Of course, I don't have any intention of posing this question to Paizo myself (the last thing we want is a to have a bunch of FG dweebs, like me :) inundating them with frivolous requests and losing what we have already), however I'm wondering if there is such an avenue available, for, say, the 'authorized FG representative' to ask?

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Ask in the original thread, or PM wvpolarbear - he was the one who told us about the agreement and is a PFS VL for the online community.

Having spoken with brochr (the member currently maintaining this extension) about the ongoing maintenance of this extension and about the superseding Locations extension it was agreed to close this thread and concentration effort into that extension instead of continuing to develop this one.

If anyone feels that this is the wrong decision please PM me and we'll sort something out.

Cheers