Introducing the new XCore Ruleset

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Originally Posted by Nod

The real strength with this ruleset is the power of the character sheet. here is the mod i created for Ben Milton's Knave. It's an OSR game with very simple rules (only 7 pages). I used the Abilities to take care of 3 primary needs in the game. The first box is a rollunder for what Ben calls the Ability Defense, the second is a bonus generated from the Ability, and the third is an Ability Saving Throw that is a rollover. NPCs and Items were pretty straightforward. Weapons needed a little fine tuning, but seem to work very cleanly and fast. The only thing still throwing me off is the lack of a Spells area on the main ruleset. it's nice that it exists on the character sheet though. My next steps are to build a simple adventure to include with version 1.2 as an introduction. I built this in about 6 hours, so that shows you how easy to use it is. i will continue to refine it a bit before i'm completely happy with it.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...3/Knave1.1.mod

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So good - thanks Nod!

lol, OK Damned, I'll give it a go - and I'll try to not make you sorry for offering. It will take me a few to format my response.

In the post below, if you see that something that I've listed is already available/doable, please, point it out.
My intent is not to have you do all of this for me, but to let me know what is possible, and if so, ho to do it?

Thanks,

Bill

If you can get me started with the beginning of a pattern, I should be able to follow up with those of the same type.
One of the things I had to think about was if an Attribute can have 3 bonuses, those would be [b], [c], and [d].. except there is not d :(
I was thinking that I could hide the saved die rolls as more attributes or in the skills section?

Character (6 standard attributes) - # of dice/bonus depends on Race

• Ex: Strength & Constitution Share a D6 called Physical Base (PB)
  
  • 2D6 for Str, 2D6 for Con; Dwarves get best of 2D6 for PB, 3D6 keep best 2 for Str
    
    • Wis & Int use the same pattern
    • Dexterity and Charisma use other Attributes + die roll(s)
    
    
  • Those rolls are retained as the player to ‘train them up by expending XP
  • Weight (WT) is (Str or Con depending on Race) ÷ 5 + 3 + D6 (WT1) + D6 (WT2)
    
    • Dwarf : ST ÷ 5 + 3 + WT1 + WT2
    • Human : CN ÷ 3 + 2 + WT1 + WT2
    • Elf : CN ÷ 3 + 1 + WT1 + WT2
    • Hobbit : CN ÷ 3 + 1 + WT1 + WT2
    
    
  • Fatigue is HP: although no classes, profession might fit; Fighter, Mage, Cleric
    
    • Fatigue roll is D6+1 or D8 at each XP level you do not take a spell point (called MAL)
    • Fatigue roll is D6 if you take a “Clerical” spell point at each XP level
    • Fatigue roll is D6-1 or D4 if you take a spell point at an XP level
    
    
  • Body – 0 is death
    
    • Body = max( WT + (3rd CON bonus) + √(Experience Level), 8 ); // square root
    
    
  • Height
    
    • ( 3CN1 + 3CN2 - DX1 - DX2 + 4( ST + HT1 + HT2 )) ÷ 5 + 50 (28 for Dwarves)
    
    
  • Saving throws
    
    • Physical 15 - 2/3EL (Experience Level)
    • Special 16 - 1/3EL
    • Spell resistance
    
    
  • Movement is based on Height and Con
  • There are 3 tiers of bonuses based on Attributes, ex
    
    • 0 +1 +2 Str Dex
    • 1: 8-12 13-16 17-20 -2 Crit/Die size + to hit
    • 2: - 14-15 16-17 +/- Attack + def blow
    • 3: - 15 16 + damage - to be hit
    
    
  
  
• Combat
  
  • Weapons have type (striking, thrusting, 1Handed 2Handed, light, heavy) and standard damge
  • They have N offensive attacks (a players skill modifies that), skill and bonuses also add defensive or promote def blows to Offensive blows
  • Roll 2D10 + bonuses to hit, also typically roll D12 to critical. Fail is just fatigue, success is fatigue and body
  • Ex Broad sword: AC0: 13/7 AC1: 12/10 AC2:10/11 AC3: 8/12
    
    • First number is to hit, second number (D12) is to critical; AC0 is harder to hit, easier to critical
    • Str bonus can increase damage, and reduce the critical die size and crit number,
      
      • Ex: Str of 17 trying to hit AC 2 above would need 10 to hit, and 11 on a D12 would become 7 on a D8
      
      
    
    
  
  
• Armor
  
  • Cost is based on a multiple of weight, as in 5WT, 25WT
  • The weight of the armor itself (encumbrance) is weight based, WT, 3WT, 5WT
  • Armor is either AC0 (leather), AC1, AC2 (Chain) or AC3 (plate)
  
  
• Experience
  
  • All characters have the same points need to attain a level
    
    • 2 is 2K, 3 is 5K, 4 is 10K, Skill points are awarded at each level and sub level (1.1, 2.0, 2.2, 2.2, 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 4.0…)
    
    
  
  
• Skills – Skills have level, spend XP towards skills or spells, etc.
• Spells – save that for another day

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Originally Posted by vegaserik

Inventory seems good! Thanks damned!

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I noticed when typing in a non Id'd name it writes over the name so both appear in the item's name field. Sorry I hadn't tried this before :)

I did a Blue Rose sheet as well. Character sheet, an npc, a couple of items, ability and focus rolls are all in. Uses the damagedr code as well!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...Rose_Basic.mod

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Originally Posted by vegaserik

I noticed when typing in a non Id'd name it writes over the name so both appear in the item's name field. Sorry I hadn't tried this before :)

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Thanks - I think I know what is happening there. Ill fix.

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Originally Posted by vegaserik

I did a Blue Rose sheet as well. Character sheet, an npc, a couple of items, ability and focus rolls are all in. Uses the damagedr code as well!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...Rose_Basic.mod

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Boom! On a roll!

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Originally Posted by Battlemarch

If you can get me started with the beginning of a pattern, I should be able to follow up with those of the same type.
One of the things I had to think about was if an Attribute can have 3 bonuses, those would be [b], [c], and [d].. except there is not d :(
I was thinking that I could hide the saved die rolls as more attributes or in the skills section?

Character (6 standard attributes) - # of dice/bonus depends on Race

• Ex: Strength & Constitution Share a D6 called Physical Base (PB)
  
  • 2D6 for Str, 2D6 for Con; Dwarves get best of 2D6 for PB, 3D6 keep best 2 for Str
    
    • Wis & Int use the same pattern
    • Dexterity and Charisma use other Attributes + die roll(s)
    
    
  • Those rolls are retained as the player to ‘train them up by expending XP
  • Weight (WT) is (Str or Con depending on Race) ÷ 5 + 3 + D6 (WT1) + D6 (WT2)
    
    • Dwarf : ST ÷ 5 + 3 + WT1 + WT2
    • Human : CN ÷ 3 + 2 + WT1 + WT2
    • Elf : CN ÷ 3 + 1 + WT1 + WT2
    • Hobbit : CN ÷ 3 + 1 + WT1 + WT2
    
    
  • Fatigue is HP: although no classes, profession might fit; Fighter, Mage, Cleric
    
    • Fatigue roll is D6+1 or D8 at each XP level you do not take a spell point (called MAL)
    • Fatigue roll is D6 if you take a “Clerical” spell point at each XP level
    • Fatigue roll is D6-1 or D4 if you take a spell point at an XP level
    
    
  • Body – 0 is death
    
    • Body = max( WT + (3rd CON bonus) + √(Experience Level), 8 ); // square root
    
    
  • Height
    
    • ( 3CN1 + 3CN2 - DX1 - DX2 + 4( ST + HT1 + HT2 )) ÷ 5 + 50 (28 for Dwarves)
    
    
  • Saving throws
    
    • Physical 15 - 2/3EL (Experience Level)
    • Special 16 - 1/3EL
    • Spell resistance
    
    
  • Movement is based on Height and Con
  • There are 3 tiers of bonuses based on Attributes, ex
    
    • 0 +1 +2 Str Dex
    • 1: 8-12 13-16 17-20 -2 Crit/Die size + to hit
    • 2: - 14-15 16-17 +/- Attack + def blow
    • 3: - 15 16 + damage - to be hit
    
    
  
  
• Combat
  
  • Weapons have type (striking, thrusting, 1Handed 2Handed, light, heavy) and standard damge
  • They have N offensive attacks (a players skill modifies that), skill and bonuses also add defensive or promote def blows to Offensive blows
  • Roll 2D10 + bonuses to hit, also typically roll D12 to critical. Fail is just fatigue, success is fatigue and body
  • Ex Broad sword: AC0: 13/7 AC1: 12/10 AC2:10/11 AC3: 8/12
    
    • First number is to hit, second number (D12) is to critical; AC0 is harder to hit, easier to critical
    • Str bonus can increase damage, and reduce the critical die size and crit number,
      
      • Ex: Str of 17 trying to hit AC 2 above would need 10 to hit, and 11 on a D12 would become 7 on a D8
      
      
    
    
  
  
• Armor
  
  • Cost is based on a multiple of weight, as in 5WT, 25WT
  • The weight of the armor itself (encumbrance) is weight based, WT, 3WT, 5WT
  • Armor is either AC0 (leather), AC1, AC2 (Chain) or AC3 (plate)
  
  
• Experience
  
  • All characters have the same points need to attain a level
    
    • 2 is 2K, 3 is 5K, 4 is 10K, Skill points are awarded at each level and sub level (1.1, 2.0, 2.2, 2.2, 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 4.0…)
    
    
  
  
• Skills – Skills have level, spend XP towards skills or spells, etc.
• Spells – save that for another day

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Im going to need some time to decipher but Im pretty sure what you are trying to do is not supported by either MoreCore or XCore. Neither of these will calculate the value of a field based on other fields. They are all focused on Rolls - eg building Rolls not building Stats.

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Originally Posted by damned

XCore doesnt have the same power but is hopefully less intimidating and is easier to get started with.

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Much less!

No worries. A lot of what I'd like from above for attributes is a 'want'.
I can do without and simply have folks fill in the fields using the offline tools we already use.
Having it done in the Character sheet just would have been 'cool'.
I also think I know how I can include the bonuses as needed.

Can the items or character rolls use/call entries in the Tables? I seem to recall that you could do some fancy things there.

And worse case, players do usually stick to straight straight Fighter, Cleric or mage; even though we don't have classes.

I'm still trying to think how I might set up the attacks on the different ACs and then having it use the the correct critical die.
And when all is set and done, I wonder if there will be a way to import characters to FG as we can from Fantasy Module Parser...

But again, Thank you. XCore looks like a good place for me to start again!

Bill

I found another odd error. On the NPC sheet if you lock it then unlock it some of the fields can't be changed in the Core section and in Notes.

OK. I think NPCs are fixed.
The Items roll bug should be resolved.

BUT

I think Im going to remove the identified feature from Items.
I dont see any nice way of having the non identified showing in the Rolls view.

The identification is threaded through a lot of pieces at this point. What's the issue with the identification and XCore?

JPG

Damed, love the getmod and damagedr additions, any chance we could get a getlevel or something to pull the class level into a Roll?

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Originally Posted by Moon Wizard

The identification is threaded through a lot of pieces at this point. What's the issue with the identification and XCore?

JPG

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I was struggling with how to make it work with my implementation.
In the d20 rulesets when you add a weapon to inventorylist it creates a new attack entry in the database
In this ruleset i use a filtered view of the inventorylist as (its not actually an attack section but close enough) the attacks view rather than creating new entries
It uses different windowclasses etc
But I think I might have wrapped my head around how to do it.

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Originally Posted by sirkerry

Damed, love the getmod and damagedr additions, any chance we could get a getlevel or something to pull the class level into a Roll?

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Current requests I have are:

Races (similar to Classes but no leveling)
[getlevel]

Are there others?

Should I just create
[gethealth]
[getwounds]
[getn1]
[getn2]
[getinit]
[getsize]
[getreach]
[getspeed]
as well?

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Originally Posted by Battlemarch

insert rules here

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I am working on something that might help you but Im thinking that your list is looking unlikely but I am still working thru it...

Im toying with being able to add a Value calculation string so that you can put in a formula to calculate the [a], [b] and [c] fields in a roll.
I dont think I am going to get it to run automatically when fields change because we could end up with logic loops
Im still experimenting

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Originally Posted by damned

I am working on something that might help you but Im thinking that your list is looking unlikely but I am still working thru it...

Im toying with being able to add a Value calculation string so that you can put in a formula to calculate the [a], [b] and [c] fields in a roll.
I dont think I am going to get it to run automatically when fields change because we could end up with logic loops
Im still experimenting

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I will be extremely grateful for anything that you can come up with.
One thought I had was that I can just have the players do their one-time character related calculations offline, but there may be a lot of stats that I'd like to hide (minimize).
If I'm able to get a 4th, [d] field, that would be wonderful, but otherwise I may have a workaround.

The hard part that I can't think past is being able to indicate what the AC of the target is so that when the user rolls, it can determine hit success or failure.
The steps between AC to AC is not always linear. And then there is HP/body and reducing the critical die size.

However, any improvement which XCore already provides is a win!

Thank you,

Bill

Nod and vegaserik I am adding your mod links to the second post. If you update them let me know!

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Originally Posted by esmdev

One request, is it possible to make the character sheet resizable? Games that have a bunch of skills are hard to read in the itty-bitty little space allotted. :)

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I had forgotten this one. It is fixed in the next update (probably tomorrow).

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Originally Posted by damned

Current requests I have are:

Races (similar to Classes but no leveling)
[getlevel]

Are there others?

Should I just create
[gethealth]
[getwounds]
[getn1]
[getn2]
[getinit]
[getsize]
[getreach]
[getspeed]
as well?

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I really don't have an need for the getting those others (but others might), but I can see a use case for allowing rolls to update those values, especially for the AC[putn1] and DR [putn2] ones. Speaking of those, any chance we would have something like we have with Init now so we can use formulas/rolls to calculate them? This would be useful for games that use active defenses.

The other request that comes to mind, is the support for IF THEN ELSE logic and Effects in the Rolls, but I know that's kinda out there.

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Originally Posted by damned

Current requests I have are:

Are there others?

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Well it would be really nice to have a way to track mental health (i.e. Sanity) and mental wounds (i.e. Stress) alongside Health and Wounds.

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Originally Posted by sirkerry

Well it would be really nice to have a way to track mental health (i.e. Sanity) and mental wounds (i.e. Stress) alongside Health and Wounds.

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At some point there has to be limits on what I add or it becomes MoreCore again.
You can track those on a Roll if needed and you can use the reduce roll to target Sanity or Mental Health or whatever.
If you only need a single value for each you could use n1 and n2
I could setup a panel containing a list of fields and they could also be syncd to CT but in some ways they would look just like Rolls with less options.

Battlemarch

I can add a 4th box in many ways Im hesitant to do so.
Most Rolls need two fields at most and almost all are covered by 3.
If I add a 4th it reduces the space available to the Name label
In MoreCore I had 3 columns in the same space and the only way I did that was to make the number boxes so small
I can reduce the wasted space in the number frame but then FG themes (other than XCore specific ones) will not work very well
I can reduce the size of the number field but that starts cramping d% games

What is the game you are wanting to play?

When all is said and done, this is a Middle-Earth Campaign that started began as old D&D in the early 80's and morphed to use 2D10 instead of a D20 for attacks.
It morphed to stop using classes and became more skill based and has some flavor of ICE MERP and GURPS spells.

Basically, a home brew of original D&D. I find current D&D, and even PF1 to be over complicated. Most of the calculations in this game can be done beforehand.
With XCore, I'll do what I can and keep using offline tools for character generation and such. The big win with XCore is being able to use 2D10 for combat attacks.

I can appreciate that you don't want to turn XCore into the kitchen sink. Perhaps this will get me to dig into the FG code and modify/create the rule set I think I want/need.

Now that MoreCore and XCore are on the Forge, can we no longer muck around and modify the underlying code?

Thanks,

Bill

MoreCore is on Forge but downloads to rulesets and can be cracked open and played with.

XCore is in the vault for now.

If you do want to tinker I cant recommend the RSW highly enough if you are wanting to build your own ruleset exactly the way you want it.
It still requires plenty of learning but it has helped my productivity and motivation immensely.

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Originally Posted by damned

OK. I think NPCs are fixed.
The Items roll bug should be resolved.

BUT

I think Im going to remove the identified feature from Items.
I dont see any nice way of having the non identified showing in the Rolls view.

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Sweet! Works for me.

In a few hours of work I built the RPG system for Tribulation of the Dead. It is a very simple game by One Shot RPG. XCore rocks!

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[QUOTE=spoofer;674598]In a few hours of work I built the RPG system for Tribulation of the Dead. It is a very simple game by One Shot RPG. XCore rocks!

https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...chmentid=55854

looks awesome!
Can you share the character sheet - or if you havent entered everything (eg copyright issues with sharing) share a module with a Character, NPC and some Rolls?

ok a peek at the next feature:

https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...9&d=1673972954

This is a view of a Roll.
[1] is the Roll Label/Name. [2] is the Dice Roll which can use the various Roll syntax. [3] is the new Calc feature. You can use valid Roll syntax (excluding Roll types as there is nothing being rolled) to create a formula to populate the [4] Value by double clicking the Value or the * icon

Note you can only do simple math using addition, subtraction, multiplication and division. There is nothing stopping you from creating a Calc that will produce a value that doesnt make sense. If the source values update you will have to update the Roll by double clicking the Value or the * icon.

It probably wont save you time using this feature for simple calculations or as one off calculations. If you setup your character sheet template and rolls with these calculations it will save time and make it easier for the players.

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Originally Posted by damned

ok a peek at the next feature:

[3] is the new Calc feature. You can use valid Roll syntax (excluding Roll types as there is nothing being rolled) to create a formula to populate the [4] Value by double clicking the Value or the * icon

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Ohh, nice. Thank you!

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Originally Posted by damned

ok a peek at the next feature:

https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...9&d=1673972954

This is a view of a Roll.
[1] is the Roll Label/Name. [2] is the Dice Roll which can use the various Roll syntax. [3] is the new Calc feature. You can use valid Roll syntax

(excluding Roll types as there is nothing being rolled) to create a formula to populate the [4] Value by double clicking the Value or the * icon

Note you can only do simple math using addition, subtraction, multiplication and division. There is nothing stopping you from creating a Calc that will produce a value that doesnt make sense. If the source values update you will have to update the Roll by double clicking the Value or the * icon.

It probably wont save you time using this feature for simple calculations or as one off calculations. If you setup your character sheet template and rolls with these calculations it will save time and make it easier for the players.

Attachment 55858

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I friggin love this feature! Damn! Really cool.

it wasn't taken as such!

Honestly, damned, the calcuation feature is huge for me. I mainly put dragonbane into morecore as I was struggling with how to show the rollunder and have the skill target # update if it was trained/untrained. With what you are implementing I'm going to take another go out a built-out characeter sheet for Dragonbane in XCore.....

Ignore me I found my mistake lol

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Originally Posted by vegaserik

Ignore me I found my mistake lol

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Just in case anyone is wondering - you need to tell Items to Show as Rolls in the properties.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...sic_Sheets.mod

I did a Doctor Who 2e rpg XCore sheet.

Im loving it! Awesome vegaserik!

I'm gonna be running a vampire the masquerade 5th edition game and didn't want to spend $50 to get the ruleset. Just wanted to let you know this looks perfect for making it work. I'll post updates on it when I get around to it.

Thank you for your hard work.

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Originally Posted by albirich

I'm gonna be running a vampire the masquerade 5th edition game and didn't want to spend $50 to get the ruleset. Just wanted to let you know this looks perfect for making it work. I'll post updates on it when I get around to it.

Thank you for your hard work.

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Please do share an exported character sheet when you get it going!