Official MGT2e Bug Report Thread

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Originally Posted by esmdev

Hi.

So what is was thinking is when we input the UWP, and then you parse it to put the info into the individual boxes (like Fairport, size, population, etc), then you could go one step further and auto fill the trade code box towards the bottom as well. Since the UWP data is now broken into its individual components the numbers needed to calculate trade codes are already available.

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Yea, I already did that for MGT1 but in MGT2 they've dropped the hex code and if people copy the UWP from TravellerMaps then it causes a bit of a mess, there might appear to be consistency but there isn't.

So what I'm doing now is breaking it into individual sections, ie if the first four are Hex, that's the hex code, the next 8 (9 including the hypen), then the rest is one chunk and I'll split that into each series of letters, ie I should get Z, Ni, Ag, G and I could say the 'Z' is a base (I'll compare it), the 'Ni and Ag' are Trade codes and the 'G' is a Travel code, it should work.

I'll know in about 30 minutes,
Cheers
MBM

I wrote a web app way way back in the day when I was learning vb-script and classic asp...

This was the section I used to write all of the world information into an access database. It took the Hex value, converted it to decimal and then did all of the trade code calculations and some other things in preparation to write the system info to the database. It is written for T4 so some stuff is irrelevant but hopefully the idea behind it might be helpful.

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Originally Posted by esmdev

I wrote a web app way way back in the day when I was learning vb-script and classic asp...

This was the section I used to write all of the world information into an access database. It took the Hex value, converted it to decimal and then did all of the trade code calculations and some other things in preparation to write the system info to the database. It is written for T4 so some stuff is irrelevant but hopefully the idea behind it might be helpful.

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Hi Esmdev,

Rather than doing what I was meant to be doing (!) I've re-written the World UWP parser and I'm much happier with it.

It supports Hex Code (or not), World Data, Bases, Trade Codes and then Travel Code.

I've given it a good test, but I'll send it to test tomorrow for others to break.

Cheers,
MBM

Sounds awesome. :) look forward to seeing how it works.

Hi. While making some characters this evening we noticed the navy enlisted ranks were using the merchant table instead of the navy table. It includes the ranks and skills.

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Originally Posted by esmdev

Hi. While making some characters this evening we noticed the navy enlisted ranks were using the merchant table instead of the navy table. It includes the ranks and skills.

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Fascinating. I found that before and MBM had that one corrected already. I hope we're not on an old version here 🧐

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Originally Posted by LordNanoc

Fascinating. I found that before and MBM had that one corrected already. I hope we're not on an old version here ��

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The version in chat indicates v1.0.2. Sometimes old stuff creeps in to new stuff when your back is turned. Should be easy to repair. If you remember anything else you saw around that point in time maybe you could spot check some of them to be sure it is only that one table.

So far things seem pretty well edited and tested, so it's all good. :)

Na, you would have stumbled over them. There were mixups like that in the navy skills as well, so if you didn't notice anything there I am sure, it's just something minor that has refaced.
I sent MBM the old testprotocols again. I am sure this is fixed soon. He is after all a wizard of code ��

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Originally Posted by LordNanoc

Na, you would have stumbled over them. There were mixups like that in the navy skills as well, so if you didn't notice anything there I am sure, it's just something minor that has refaced.
I sent MBM the old testprotocols again. I am sure this is fixed soon. He is after all a wizard of code ��

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And those mixups - never re-appear as such, what they do is hide and wait. It's like when you post a message, or send an email. When you check before you send you see everything is correctly spelt and grammar perfect. Soon as it's gone, and then you get a reply and see your original message you wonder how so many wrongly spelt words and missing connecting words there were!

This'll be done this weekend.

Huzzah
MBM

@MBM ... the part with the spelling made me laugh :D

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Originally Posted by esmdev

Hi. While making some characters this evening we noticed the navy enlisted ranks were using the merchant table instead of the navy table. It includes the ranks and skills.

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And fixed, will be sent this weekend as it's the Ref Manual and not the ruleset.

Cheers,
MBM

Hi. In the reference manual the Noble career incorrectly lists a commission roll. Nothing else to report after this morning's game.

It's still mysterious. We had all the careers sorted out. They were correct. Strangely, errors are showing up, that have been corrected for sure. But not all of them.
Doesn't seem logical.

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Originally Posted by LordNanoc

It's still mysterious. We had all the careers sorted out. They were correct. Strangely, errors are showing up, that have been corrected for sure. But not all of them.
Doesn't seem logical.

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Usually when one thing creeps in other things likely creep in with it. We've not really noticed many problems and none of them were game breaking, mostly just text and not system, so that's pretty good.

We're sometimes so lose with our games that we're probably not noticing errors even if we see them so it's all good. :)

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Originally Posted by esmdev

Usually when one thing creeps in other things likely creep in with it. We've not really noticed many problems and none of them were game breaking, mostly just text and not system, so that's pretty good.

We're sometimes so lose with our games that we're probably not noticing errors even if we see them so it's all good. :)

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These text issues are odd, the ref manual is actually a text file that's then read and exported as an XML file for FG. The text file is under source control and it's saying these issue have always been there, so it could be that wall of text thing, you see so much text you spot 50% and not the other 50%.

Cheers,
MBM

Hi. This evening while testing some random stuff I noticed that an unskilled roll with Jack-of-all-Trades 4 or higher will apply a positive to the unskilled test. If the skill is above 3 nothing should be added.

Hi. Navy career mustering benefit option 1 (reference): Personal Vehicle of Ship Share. The of should be or. The table is correct, just reference manual.

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Originally Posted by esmdev

Hi. Navy career mustering benefit option 1 (reference): Personal Vehicle of Ship Share. The of should be or. The table is correct, just reference manual.

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Originally Posted by esmdev

Hi. This evening while testing some random stuff I noticed that an unskilled roll with Jack-of-all-Trades 4 or higher will apply a positive to the unskilled test. If the skill is above 3 nothing should be added.

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I'll fix these in 1.0.3

Cheers!
MBM

Hi.

I was also noticing that it doesn't recalculate the characteristic modifiers in skills if the value changes on the main tab or the action tab. For instance, on the action tab if I manually change an 9 dex to an 8 dex the skills don't recalculate. Or if I increase dex from a 8 to a 9 on the main tab it also doesn't recalculate. I can scroll through the characteristic options dex back around to dex and it will recalculate but this can get kind of tedious if it has to be redone every time the characteristic value changes enough to change a modifier.

So I guess I'm wondering if this is a bug (I thought it was recalculating sometime back but might have been mistaken) or if it is working as intended and I need to remind my players to recalculate when things change around.

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Originally Posted by esmdev

Hi.

I was also noticing that it doesn't recalculate the characteristic modifiers in skills if the value changes on the main tab or the action tab. For instance, on the action tab if I manually change an 9 dex to an 8 dex the skills don't recalculate. Or if I increase dex from a 8 to a 9 on the main tab it also doesn't recalculate. I can scroll through the characteristic options dex back around to dex and it will recalculate but this can get kind of tedious if it has to be redone every time the characteristic value changes enough to change a modifier.

So I guess I'm wondering if this is a bug (I thought it was recalculating sometime back but might have been mistaken) or if it is working as intended and I need to remind my players to recalculate when things change around.

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How often are their Characteristics changed? My players rarely have there's changed.

It's quite hard to make it update the skill list but it can be done, as I'll add it onto the MGT2 Todo list.

https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...MGT2-Todo-List

Cheers,
MBM

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Originally Posted by MadBeardMan

How often are their Characteristics changed? My players rarely have there's changed.

It's quite hard to make it update the skill list but it can be done, as I'll add it onto the MGT2 Todo list.

https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...MGT2-Todo-List

Cheers,
MBM

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Hi, the most often changes are temporary to STR, DEX and END because of damage sustained or recovered which have the potential to happen regularly.

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Originally Posted by esmdev

Hi, the most often changes are temporary to STR, DEX and END because of damage sustained or recovered which have the potential to happen regularly.

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Ok I understand, in the near future I'm updating the 'Wound Tracker' (as I call it) to have all the stats available for damage/changing etc. It's a request from another player.

Soon as I've done that, I'll link the skills stats then to the 'Wound Tracker' mod levels, that'll solve your issue/need? I'll try and do that in 1.0.3, I want to code freeze next week so it's out at the end of this month.

Cheers,
MBM

Sounds great.

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Originally Posted by esmdev

Sounds great.

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Thanks chap, and thanks for your posts. If you didn't post they'd only get sorted when I run into them, my game is going to start up again soon, Pirates of Drinax...

One of the games we're running is Pirates too. :)

BTW, while I was goofing off with the Psion rules again I noticed that the psi mod updates when the psi mod changes on the main tab. Maybe the same code would work for the skills?

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Originally Posted by esmdev

One of the games we're running is Pirates too. :)

BTW, while I was goofing off with the Psion rules again I noticed that the psi mod updates when the psi mod changes on the main tab. Maybe the same code would work for the skills?

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Yep I got the Psion bit working using some magic and potions, so yes, I'll be re-using that code, making it generic so can just pass in the value to check and the object to link, or some-such.

MGT2 v1.0.3. should be completed 22nd/23rd so should hit before the end of the month, then it's onto 1.1.0 for Central Supply Catalogue.

Cheers,
MBM

First off, thank you so much for working on this project. Traveller will always have a special place in my heart, and I really like what's been done with 2e. :)

I'm not sure if this is a bug or not, but here goes.

For Initiative (on the Actions tab), no number shows up in the field for the die roll. It seems to default to the DEX mod, but it should be doing a function to take the higher of DEX/INT (and it would seem like it would be better to show whichever value in that field).

"INITIATIVE
At the start of any combat, every Traveller makes either
a DEX or INT check (it pays to be quick of hand or quick
of the mind)."


I think you're already working on this one, but on the Actions tab, if weapons are added to the PC before skills are finalized, the skill modifier doesn't update.

Once again, thanks so much for this great product!

I guess to follow-up on the initiative questions, is there a way to factor the effect of a tactics check into the initiative results?

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Originally Posted by PhilAdams

First off, thank you so much for working on this project. Traveller will always have a special place in my heart, and I really like what's been done with 2e. :)

I'm not sure if this is a bug or not, but here goes.

For Initiative (on the Actions tab), no number shows up in the field for the die roll. It seems to default to the DEX mod, but it should be doing a function to take the higher of DEX/INT (and it would seem like it would be better to show whichever value in that field).

"INITIATIVE
At the start of any combat, every Traveller makes either
a DEX or INT check (it pays to be quick of hand or quick
of the mind)."


I think you're already working on this one, but on the Actions tab, if weapons are added to the PC before skills are finalized, the skill modifier doesn't update.

Once again, thanks so much for this great product!

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Hello,

Nice question, maybe allow the Character to select which Stat they want to use for the CT Init roll, by having a drop down on the Action Tab next to the Init box, INT or DEX?

Cheers,
MBM

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Originally Posted by esmdev

I guess to follow-up on the initiative questions, is there a way to factor the effect of a tactics check into the initiative results?

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Not at the moment, which is why there's a Init Mod field within the CT to allow you to have an effect. It's possible when an init roll is made, I can scan all the PC's in the CT and auto apply the highest tactics level, thinking aloud though, shouldn't be too hard....

Cheers,
MBM

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Originally Posted by MadBeardMan

Hello,

Not at the moment, which is why there's a Init Mod field within the CT to allow you to have an effect. It's possible when an init roll is made, I can scan all the PC's in the CT and auto apply the highest tactics level, thinking aloud though, shouldn't be too hard....

Cheers,
MBM

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The tactics roll applies the effect as a modifier to initiative. So it is probably best if we just use the mod column which I am somehow just noticing now that you brought it up... :)

Another thing or two rumbling in my head ...

1st:
atm every "to hit" roll is average difficulty. And this might actually be, what Mongoose intended, as they write in their 2E rulebook:
"[...] The Traveller declares he is going to attack and selects
a target. The target may then choose a Reaction. The
Traveller then makes an appropriate skill check and, as
normal for any Average skill check, if he scores 8+, the
attack is successful and damage is dealt to the target [...]"

But if this is true, how do you work in difficult situations, i.e. with a lot of movement or range or something else, that makes it difficult to hit the target?

2nd:
During combat, in the chat window of the player, you can read the armour of your opponent. Now I know from a D&D campaign I'm in (also using FG), that this is not displayed there and their reasoning is, that it might enable "meta play". You don't always know the armour (or in D&D armour class) of your opponent. Do you think, this should be left out, or otherwise be selectable in the options (if that is possible -> looking over @MBM)?

1st: I generally assign modifiers for the players based on whatever it says in the various books. Like for instance, Aim provides a +1 to hit based on the number of minor actions applied up to 6. Usually they just aim and shoot so I just say apply a +1. Or whatever the appropriate modifiers are for whatever is going on.

2nd: I agree, I think it should be option selective for players to see the armour rating of an opponent. I do want to see it as a GM but I'd like to be able to set it off for players, but I also know that some people would rather leave it on so definitely an option.

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Originally Posted by esmdev

1st: I generally assign modifiers for the players based on whatever it says in the various books. Like for instance, Aim provides a +1 to hit based on the number of minor actions applied up to 6. Usually they just aim and shoot so I just say apply a +1. Or whatever the appropriate modifiers are for whatever is going on.

2nd: I agree, I think it should be option selective for players to see the armour rating of an opponent. I do want to see it as a GM but I'd like to be able to set it off for players, but I also know that some people would rather leave it on so definitely an option.

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I'll add it as a game option. I did the chat window to show the sums mostly to prove the end result, now if we're all happy it's accurate I can hide it. There's a nice armour update coming to v1.1 for the CSC book, because all the new weapon traits and armour traits I thought I'd update it all and make it simpler.

Cheers

Fairly minor thing, but the deck plan for the Far Trader is the deck plan for the Free Trader (I know they're quite similar, but in this case they're the same map, and there is a difference). One way to tell the difference is that the Free Trader deck plan has a legend 1-4, and the Far Trader has a legend 1-5. There's also a small corner cut out towards the back end of the map for the Far Trader deck plan.


I'd probably have to take it up with mongoose themselves as to why they list a Type A variant as a Type A2 instead of using an actual Type A2. (This is in the print/pdf versions as well so not an FG version issue).

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Originally Posted by sjard

Fairly minor thing, but the deck plan for the Far Trader is the deck plan for the Free Trader (I know they're quite similar, but in this case they're the same map, and there is a difference). One way to tell the difference is that the Free Trader deck plan has a legend 1-4, and the Far Trader has a legend 1-5. There's also a small corner cut out towards the back end of the map for the Far Trader deck plan.


I'd probably have to take it up with mongoose themselves as to why they list a Type A variant as a Type A2 instead of using an actual Type A2. (This is in the print/pdf versions as well so not an FG version issue).

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The A2 also has the passenger commons in the back and the A in the front (these are both copies of the A). It's possible that MBM just duplicated the same image. It's really easy to do when you're looking at ships that look almost identical.

To be honest, I'm not sure why they didn't use the Marava in the main book so that the Free and Far would be different enough at a glance.

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Originally Posted by esmdev

The A2 also has the passenger commons in the back and the A in the front (these are both copies of the A). It's possible that MBM just duplicated the same image. It's really easy to do when you're looking at ships that look almost identical.

To be honest, I'm not sure why they didn't use the Marava in the main book so that the Free and Far would be different enough at a glance.

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When the images 'come' to me, they're named 'XXXX-XXXXX.jpg' so it's down to me to rename them something more suitable. This is my mistake, and oddly, I thought I double checked all of the maps. I do have the older 2d maps almost ready to add as well, I'll make sure I get this issue sorted in 1.0.3 which is almost finished.

Cheers,
MBM

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Originally Posted by MadBeardMan

... oddly, I thought I double checked all of the maps...

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Yep, you did. And I did, too. Some things keep popping up, that are a tad strange.

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Originally Posted by LordNanoc

Yep, you did. And I did, too. Some things keep popping up, that are a tad strange.

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It gives us something to find, and since they are mostly just appearance and wording and not function, that's okay. :)

I'm not sure if this is a bug or by design. In the mustering benefits table does not allow players to apply modifiers to the table rolls. You can click the bottom left and that will work but they have to remember to keep adding it. Being able to use the table would be preferable because the modifier is retained however many rolls you make.

Attachment 30761 Entering a modifier into this box allows you to add modifiers on table rolls