Would it not be possible to upgrade from lite to standard to ultimate? And if you've upgraded are those purchases counting as veteran or rookie?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacchaeus
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Would it not be possible to upgrade from lite to standard to ultimate? And if you've upgraded are those purchases counting as veteran or rookie?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacchaeus
Well yes it is possible to upgrade. My point was that I don’t think there is a crossover upgrade from one license type that is classic to a different Unity type. So the upgrade path would be classic Standard to classic Ultimate and then to Unity ultimate.
Too bad I got my license in November 2017, but $60 is definitely worth it.
My only complaint is the lack of rich text format support and other advanced text formatting options. I find highlighting and changing text color to be incredibly useful as a DM, and really helps me organize and quickly find key information in the middle of game. Personally, I'd rather have that than dynamic lighting and fancy weather effects :(
Veteran: Bought it 2017 or prior
FGC Ultimate to FGU Ultimate for $60
FGC Standard to FGU Standard for $29
This is gorgeous. Hits a nice spot for me pricing-vise. I have had a lot of good times with my ultimate license so I won't mind paying $60 to keep using it with the new version.
- Obe
I plan to buy the Veteran: Bought it 2017 or prior, FGC Ultimate to FGU Ultimate for $60. Will my players be able to download a demo version? And where will the info for downloads be posted on? Kickstarter?
DittoQuote:
Originally Posted by Oberoten
I've got my calendar marked!
The YouTube announce was great, but a few questions I still have:
1. Is a player, running FGC ("classic") able to connect to a GM (with an ultimate license) running FGU ("unity")? (obviously the player would not have access to FGU specific upgrades)
2. Related to #1, assuming the answer is "no", if a GM is using the Beta (from having backed the Kickstarter), will backers also get access to a free FGU version they can pass on to their players for testing?
3. It's very clear that FGU will be fully backwards compatible with FGC content (and, thank you for that!). But, will there be any issues with running content created within FGU in FGC?
Looking forward to the KS!
Ok,so the way I heard it is... If you buy it new ultimate license or previously bought the ultimate license in 2018,2019 then your upgrade fee is $30 for the Unity upgrade. However I bought the ultimate license in 2017 for the same price of $149 ,but what I heard for anyone before 2018 has to pay $60 for a upgrade to Unity Ultimate license. I feel this is unfair considering that I have been promoting FG over Roll20 longer and bought books at a higher price since the books hardly ever went on sale and there wasn't bundle packs back then. I literally missed the difference to 2018 by like 4 months and it doesn't make sense for me to pay a higher price of $30 dollars more. Please reconsider your prices,for it seems unfair to me to pay a total of $210 dollars compared to a BRAND new player paying $180 for the same Unity Ultimate license.
This post of mine I copied from the youtube live stream.
Think of it this way - you've had 2 years use of FG for that $30 difference!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyuss11
Unfair that you missed the cutoff by 4 months? Yeah, maybe, but there has to be a cutoff somewhere - without having extremely complex sliding scales which confuse users (just see how many questions there have been for the current simple pricing) and creates a massive overhead for SmiteWorks. You've used FG for 2 years, you're now getting to use FGU for $60, $30 more than people who've used it for less time and $119 less than people who are completely new to FG. Most people who've commented on the pricing structure seem to think this is a very reasonable pricing structure.
If I payed 120 for my ultimate license than I can see the 60 dollar difference to make it 180 total dollars. There shouldn't be a TIME LINE on the price difference but what you payed for the Ultimate license. Like I said if I payed 120 but I payed 150 for the license in 2017,so I feel that it's unfair because I see a time owned factor and not the difference on what you payed for it. I assume this is what they were going with, that the majority payed 120 before 2018 so they see the 60 dollars as a fair price upgrade for a new customer at 180.
I don't work for smiteworks. Don't everyone get their hackles raises at SW because I dare offer my opinion.
I think this whole business about everyone trying to exploit every last dollar from SW is BS.
FG unity is a different product from FGC. SW never, ever, ever tried to pull the wool over anyone's eyes.
FG is/was/ the best deal on the VTT marketplace. Everyone got the product they paid for, probably many, many, many times over.
I don't want MY KICKSTARTER money to go towards providing a free product for everyone else.
You AREN'T paying AGAIN for the license you currently own. You ARE getting a discounted price on a license for the NEW FG Unity (a second install) client which allows you to continue to use all the DLC you have previously purchased.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyuss11
I agree. But, to be fair, I'm not seeing many people do this (perhaps I'm not hanging out in social media spaces where this is happening?). The vast majority of user comments I've seen so far seem to think the pricing structure for a brand new platform with many thousands of hours of development under the hood and many thousands to come, is very fair. In fact, a lot of Ultimate license users have said they'd have been OK paying for it all over again.Quote:
Originally Posted by seycyrus
In the end - FGC (FG Classic) is not going away in the near future. If anyone feels that the price for them to get a reduced cost upgrade to a new platform (that support all of their DLC and custom content) is too much/unfair, then they can keep playing with FGC. No one is being forced to move to FGU and contribute to the many thousands of hours development time necessary to move to the new platform.
Ok, whatever I guess for those who paid 120 for ultimate even before 2017 of which they have had it longer than me get to pay for the dicounted price for a new fg ultimate unity license for only 60 dollars which means they only pay a total of 180. However I payed 149 and now must pay 60 dollars for a new fgu ultimate unity license because I didn't make the 2018 date or before when fantasy grounds was only 120 for the ultimate license. If no one here understands that the people who bought this in that 1 year maybe timeline is getting screwed out of 30 dollars than so be it,doesn't make it right.
I have spent hundreds of dollars on books and love fg but I feel that the decision to make a timeline based on pay and not the difference of what you payed to meet the 180 total for a new fantasy grounds unity ultimate license is the issue. I just wish I bough fg a long time ago when it was 80 or 100 and then I would pay even less than a new customer.
I'm completely confused by this statement. The Ultimate license when I bought it in 2012 was $149. Where are you getting the information that FG Ultimate was $120 before 2017?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyuss11
Yeah, that's what I'm struggling to understand - because FG Ultimate was $149 before 2017 too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyuss11
EDIT: Even so, if it was $120 before 2017, you still got to use FG Ultimate for a bunch of time. Companies increasing their prices over time is quite natural. How much is that 4 months of using FG Ultimate worth? If you went with a subscription you would have paid $40 for that 4 months in 2017. I know you didn't go with a subscription, but that is just a direct comparison of FG cost vs. time. Looking at it in more depth - the cost/month you've paid so far - $149/19 months = $7.84/month. For the 4 months you had FG in 2017: $7.84 x 4 = $31.36. So, if you really want to look at cost to upgrade based off the difference in your 2017 purchase to the 2018 reduced FGU upgrade cutoff - you're actually saving $1.36! ;-)
The $120 sounds like the upgrade price from Standard to Ultimate. Or possibly the sale price during a sale period? At any rate the Ultimate one off payment has always been the same for as long as I've used FG which is getting on for 5 years now.
The cost of FGU is likely to be exactly the same as FGC - $149.
If you buy FGU outside of the kickstarter its likely to cost you $149.
If you buy FGU inside the kickstarter you get a discount.
Small discount if you dont own FGC already.
Big discount if you do own FGC.
And even bigger discount if you have only bought FGC in the last 15months.
No one is paying more.
Everyone is getting an opportunity to pay less.
Ok,well than I'm sorry for my dumbass assumption on the information that I thought was right.Quote:
I'm completely confused by this statement. The Ultimate license when I bought it in 2012 was $149. Where are you getting the information that FG Ultimate was $120 before 2017?
I though there was a price difference before I purchased the ultimate license in 2017. My bad!
On a more positive note.... I'm looking forward to supporting kick starter. I'm really looking forward to the new map making abilities with using layers and asset ids. Will we be able to have a separate folder to store the asset ids or will it be in a sub-folder like tokens are in FG?
No worries Kyuss. I always kick myself when I miss a sale on something. There are always cases where there is an optimal time to buy something and when there is not. For instance, there is normally a Summer Sale and Holiday Sale each year where everything is discounted. We don't value customers more during the sale than we do those who bought outside the sale, and yet they still got to buy at a lower rate. It's just the nature of the beast and there has to be a cut-off somewhere. What I will say is that we will do our best to make your purchase as awesome as we can and we hope to make this the best purchase you've ever made when you look back on it in another few years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyuss11
I will say the bundles are the best. I just got to have all the books in the bundles and there always cheaper than regular price. Thanks!
1. NoQuote:
Originally Posted by TheSwartz
2. Don't know, but assume so or it wouldn't be a very effective Beta would it? :)
3. Unknown, but I would assume not since FGU modules will probably have capabilities (dynamic line of sight) that FGC will not.
I have a Standard license I bought in 2007. I've been thinking of upgrading to Ultimate for a little while now. If I upgraded to Ultimate today, I wonder which discount level I would get to move up to FGU during the Kickstarter...
I'm going to be a backer either way, just wondering!
I doubt they're going to want to make creators publish modules (including modules coming from SW) in two different formats if they wish to support both FG versions. Since FGC will still be supported going forward, maybe it will be patched to be able to read modules created with FGU and just ignore extra information that only FGU can utilize, so new published modules could just be released only in the newer format and work on both? I guess it depends on how drastically different native FGU modules are.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEntrails
I'm sure the team have thought this through a lot, since they've gone through so much backwards-compatibility effort.
It counts as a Rookie purchase.Quote:
Originally Posted by notrealdan
I’d like to see newcomers that donate for a particular level get access to the Classic version until the Unity version is operational.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnD
Just one “purchase” instead of getting classic then donating for the upgrade.
Welcome to the forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by naezgul
That's a little bit too much like double dipping to be perfectly honest. The main drive for a kickstarter is to back (kickstart) a new project. But, I suppose this "level" will be available - buy FG Classic right now, and then back the FGU kickstarter at a "Rookie" level - for an ultimate it'll be $30 more than just a normal new FGU backer (no previous FGC purchase), but you'll get FGU pretty soon (when it goes to beta) and can use FGC right now.
We’ll make it a donation of $150Quote:
Originally Posted by Trenloe
The release pricing, remember those that are getting this never garnished any enjoyment for having it previously.
We, the community, don't get to negotiate and set our prices. If you want FGC, then you have to buy FGC. You can then get FGU for the additional price via the KS.Quote:
Originally Posted by naezgul
Of course, you can always ask :)
For the most part, I don't think SW is going to release more details until next week's FGF stream, and I would not expect all details to be announced until May 1st.
I’m not trying to negotiate.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEntrails
I am making a suggestion that I believe will garner much more KS cash(what they need) without any perceptible costs
Well, you can always buy FG as it currently exists and support the KS campaign in a month.
Okay, if I understand this incorrectly, please correct me.
So if I want to upgrade from FGC Standard > FGU Ultimate I will have to pay for the FGC Standard > FGC Ultimate upgrade ($110) + FGC Ultimate > FGU Ultimate ($30). A total of $140.
While the newcomers price is $135 (during KS).
Not that an extra $5 is -that- much, but making it more expensive for an upgrader than a newcomer sounds not okay to me.
Edit: I will most likely pick up the FGC upgrade during a discount on Steam in this case.
I missed the stream, when is the kickstart program, starting?
Hi Caenth
Of you want an Ultimate NOW whole you are using FGC then yes you would do that upgrade path. Upgrade to Ultimate now so you can use Ultimate for the next 8/9/? months.
Back the kickstarter for $30 to get FGU Ultimate when it arrives.
If you dont need Ultimate now, but you want it for FGU then do the newcomer price only.
Newcomers buying an FGU license via kickstarter wont get FGC now, they will get FGU beta and FGU live when they are ready.
I hope that makes sense.
Just saw your edit. These kickstarter prices are available during the kickstarter. We dont know what the prices will be outside of this but probably they will just be the standard/ultimate buy price. It is paying money now (soon) for something you will get later - which is one reason you get the discount.
Someone put on a cap of intelligence when pricing this out! Now just need some tier level included add on info!
Depending on when you need an Ultimate, assuming Rookie for standard and assuming that their will be also an upgrade cost of 110$ from FGU Standard to Ultimate (upgrade difference for non Kickstarter prices), then it would be even cheaper to take the 15$ upgrade cost to FGU standard of the Kickstarter and then to upgrade :) In total 125$ instead of the 140$ you have mentioned :) (but when you wait for a sale then it might be different of course ^^ But there might be a sale for unity at some point... :D a lot of factors when you really want to minimise your costs :) )Quote:
Originally Posted by Caenth
Got it :) I think Caenth has laid it out, but with a little caveat I've added below.Quote:
Originally Posted by naezgul
The big thing to remember here is we do not know when FGU Beta and FGU v 1 will be available. I think Doug said something like by the end of 2019.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caenth
So, if you want FGC Ult now, then you end up paying $5 for it over the next ~ 8 months or so. But if you don't need ult now and just want it for FGU, then you buy FGU Ult through the KS and never get FGC Ult.
May 1st.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Hale
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Everyone should also keep in mind, very few programs offer any type of tiered upgrade pricing. I keep thinking about things like Turbo Tax, that every year I end up having to pay for. And MS Office Products, that don't give me any discount just because I have the current/previous version. Or games like COD 2 that didn't give me a discount because I had COD, etc.
Yes I'm sure their are some examples, but it seems to be the exception and not the standard. And, even though their are edge cases, try to think of it like SW, what makes sense and can reasonably be implemented?
There are some cases where buying during the KS is cheaper than buying FGC and then upgrading. It all depends on if you want to use FGC at all while you wait. The release date for FGU is not until Dec 2019. 7 Months of Ultimate is $70 if you did a subscription. FGC Ultimate is stable and usable now. People are assuming the FGU Beta will be stable enough for running your regular games. While I would love for that to be the case, it is still beta software.
Actually, we do - see post #9 in this very thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by damned
Many things have been said over many long months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trenloe
If someone buys FGC in November this year I imagine there will be some upgrade path to FGU that is not covered in that post. If they dont I imagine that license sales would drop off quite steeply for a number of months for example.
There are many variables that might come into play.
I was replying specifically to someone who was looking at various options on upgrading including waiting for the Steam Sales to do the Ultimate upgrade and then do an upgrade to FGU...
The posted prices cover the kickstarter and the standard pricing model.
There are license sales throughout the year and this post doesnt rule out the possibility of another upgrade window somewhere down the track. Hence I posted what I did as part of the larger response.
Sorry, my mistake. It sounded like you were saying we didn't know what the normal prices would be outside of the kickstarter, and that "probably they will just be the standard/ultimate buy price" - which post #9 confirms this will be the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by damned