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Thanks Vishera, the multicam quandry is now resolved. In my primary group I will be turning over DM duties in January which will allow me to don my Tech cap and delve into streaming the game properly. I have a stream but found the riggers of DM'ing and maintaining the Twitch/OBS to be more than I cared to tackle. We will see how it goes. We might be better suited for a podcast ;)
Quoting myself to bump a bit my question and see if someone around knows for 1/ ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbotorm
(and for 2/, still hope templates could be shared one day, it rox and looks neat on youtube, need the same ! (but i have no skills :/))
I'll help you bump this. I too have inquired how they are managing the video for the stream. I have some experience with Twitch streaming. That in mind, my group will all be in FG and let the delay be as it wants to be. Ppl are aware of it and just accept it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbotorm
Just wondering if there's any chance to have some input on how FG crew achieve their net streaming + overlay ?
thanks !
David, our DM, uses OBS for setting up the different views and the overlays and then we use Skype for the VOIP.
With all due respect unless David knows something about Skype not known to the general population, using it for capturing video is a trick. Skype does not anchor video chat frames. They appear at random and will move if a person is dropped from a call. I guess it is possible that David pulls everyone into the call, then sets the frames manually each time in the overlay. That's a lot of fuss.Quote:
Originally Posted by ddavison
There is a way to do it but I will not divulge it here :square: - it's not through Skype.
While I don't want Smiteworks to "gum up the works" if supporting its own audio/video chat client would "gum up" Fantasy Grounds. I don't want to suggest anything that could cause problems for what is otherwise nearly perfect in my mind. FG is a fantastic piece of software. My hats off to you guys. You have resurrected my Tabletop gaming. BUT...if you find a way for support an unobtrusive audio/video module that allowed for fixed webcam frames, plus the Syrinscape integration piece that we already have...well, I would nominate you all for sainthood.
David actually does get us into the call first and adjusts the layout. Skype has a couple different views and dynamic is one of them. You want it to be as fixed and predictable as possible and not change your actual window size either. I haven't actually set up an OBS overlay yet, but I suspect you could create a series of layouts to automatically work with Skype for 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 participants and then only turn on the one you want at the time that you want them. You might have to do some similar shenanigans for labels as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcoman1
Yes, prefab layouts would do it. Dave is the man.
Recently, my group discovered VSee, a communication software much like Skype or Hangouts, but with a huge advantage when used in conjunction with OBS: in VSee, each camera opens a new window.
Those windows can be resized at you pleasure, can be pinned on specific parts of your desktop, and you can save where they are, so when you open VSee again, the windows will be right there on that exact spot.
When configuring OBS, you can assign that windows to a place on your layout, so each time you open OBS, VSee and Fantasy Grounds, everything will be in place as the last time you used them. Better, since each person have it’s own window, if someone enter or leave the conference, it won’t mess up your layout.
The only issue I noticed in VSee is that, when more than six people get in the conference, the cameras start to lag a lot, but this could be my own connection, because I am recording the games and also usually DMing them.
VSee can be found here (it is free): https://vsee.com/
And here are some examples of my recorded games using this setup (sorry, they are in portuguese... lol)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L2DzNc4VVg&t
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4akyB39sN8
(this one don't have cameras on, but shows how I had improved the previous layout)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4TNCrA2Trs&t
DDavison : thanks for confirming =)
Thanks for ths tip. I'll check this outQuote:
Originally Posted by Galach
I'd like to confirm that VSee is an excellent piece of software to use with OBS while streaming a Fantasy Grounds game. It's completely free. You can check my Twitch channel (link in my signature) and see my episodes. My group uses VSee.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galach
That's a good idea. My channel is more to show the DM side of it but I may switch it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mask_of_winter
extra advice about various services.
VSee is free, for now, but it can glitch and fail to connect if someone has a wonky versin error and can't get upgraded. if you need video the two best options currently are VSee and Discord. the rest are memory hogs and memory leaks, or jsut don't work that well.
one thing about streaming on Twitch especially, unless you have partnership or 100+ viewers per stream, you will never get the best video feeds such as YT will offer. so unless you have the best internet connection and upload speeds, the best thing to set your software to is 720p30.
1080p will only have good quality to viewers for Twitch partners, for everyone else buffer badly as can be seen in the most recent FGFridays VODs.
60 FPS isn't needed for anything basic cams and FG does. it will just give problems and more buffering from the Twitch ingest servers if you are not partner.
sure you can have a buffering live stream and export a pretty video to YT, but then why bother streaming it live if the quality of the stream is gong to be so poor many people can't watch it?
for OBS, this has probably been mentioned, but you need to set your video to 1280*780 where it says Rescale for streaming. Might need to put in Advanced mode instead of standard.
There isnt a single RPG stream that would require higher than 720p30 because there really isn't that much fast movement going on. setting your output stream resolution and FPS too high, can cause dropped frames, buffering, desync, and all manners of other problems that can easily be avoided by understanding Twitch doesn't give everyone the same quality for streaming, it has to be earned on an account by account basis.
My group has been using VSee for over a year (every Friday night) with problems I can count on one hand. Discord video has been a dissapointment. Currently we are using VSee for Cams and Discord for audio as the Discord audio is cleaner.Quote:
Originally Posted by shadzar
The tutorials talk about using roll20 for webcams. I'd rather not do that. Does this change the process in a difficult direction?
I don't think so. Rob2e did a stream on streaming a week ago. It seems really simple... *G*Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnD
Check it out; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbXRgq_NGKs
The last time I tried to record a session on OBS, I only had my voice and none of my player's voices on the recording. We were using TeamSpeak and no webcams. Obviously I did something wrong.
Yeah, for the Mic section in OBS’ main working page, you also need to setup a Desktop Audio section as an option.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnD
That is a “if you mute it, the stream won’t hear anything” section. Without one, the stream doesn’t get anything you hear through your headset.
G’luck on the next one!
I tried my first streaming session of last week's adventure and did not get any audio, I don't think that it streamed (does twitch save it to your videos section afterward?). Only the recorder seemed to work but one thing that wasn't mentioned in any of the streaming for dummies, was what you had mentioned, adding a Desktop Audio section (as a source in OBS, correct?) Thanks in advance and happy gaming. As a side note, I think I need to commission an artist to create personal icons (animimated for nitro discord would be nice) and other areas so I don't run into any licensing issues. Sounds/Musics is another area of contention, I did find some royalty free music/sounds https://www.youtube.com/audiolibrary/soundeffects so I don't have to worry about having to edit out anything with a license.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majyk
Yup-yup, that is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by mlesnews
Glad it helped out! It is a good idea to “Start Recording” and Stop it, then playback the file created to be sure the volume levels are good, too.
Too many early sessions sounded good live, only to learn the volume of the Desktop Audio source was still too low.
If so, you can play with individual Mic volume sliders in whatever chat program your group uses to balance quiet vs loud talkers you play with.
If still not enough, add a “Filter” by Clicking on the Audio Source Gear button and choose Gain.
Too loud, lower it. Too quiet, bump it a few notches.
During play, I like to see if any Equalizer levels are redlining, and if so, to tweak the Gain on the fly.
Levels should stay in the 50% Green to Full Yellow range.
Nice link for muzak, too. Good gaming, back at’cha!
Twitch won’t save streams unless you turn this option on in your channel on Twitch settings itself, online.
You can upload your vids but they’ll only remain online for a few weeks(just re-up ‘em then).
i think this is self realization in action. ;) don't use Teamspeak, just get a discord. video, voice, even text. Discord does it all for free.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnD
Hi
If I only want to use Fantasy grounds unity ( syrinscape ) and not roll20 how will your series of videos work...can everything be done for youtube using only Fantasy Grounds Unity ?