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I really should have subscribed to this thread earlier.
Is the first post the place to go to see if there's been an update and what's changed since the last one?
I am excited to see this come together, especially if the existing Star Wars material can be merged with it. It just so happens to be the system my group plans on sticking with regardless of genre. :)
Oh unfortunatelly i did not keep all updates into one place... it is too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by mossfoot
Every since i started, a lot changed. This project started as a simple "lets update the ruleset to work with modern FG", to a complete rebuild.
I think except for the dice rolling system which still has code from the wfrp3/star wars (but heavily modified), everything ended up new.
As soon as i am done (maybe in a couple of weeks or less) i will work on the star wars one.
I believe i can put a working star wars ruleset in a matter of days after that, since everything i have been doing, i do it thinking about it.
I will try to compile all new stuff in the first post, later
When we work on the new star wars, i believe Sevrick will put together modules containing data, the same way he did for genesys, so it will be all up and ready for playing
So... are they still not showing for you? I am confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Talley Darkstar
hmmm.. i just accidentaly removed one of the modules from the google drive, i am sorryQuote:
Originally Posted by sevrick
I was going to download them and ended up removing instead
I just re uploaded them just incase. BTW I am almost finished with Secrets of the Crucible. It should be out sometime this weekend.
When you said you would do it later after work, I just meant that I wasn't working on anything so I wasn't in a hurry as I was just checking out progress and and stuff and when I got to RoT careers I didn't see any, but after your upload/re-upload, the RoT careers are there now. Awesome!Quote:
Originally Posted by sevrick
Wanted to congratulate you both on a fantastic job on this ruleset so far. I never thought I would see this ruleset updated, let alone improved, and the work on the modules cannot be underestimated either, they are so important to making the ruleset come alive (and helping people get up and running very quickly!). So great job by both of you.
I thought I would try them out, specifically using the Terrinoth extension to start with and see how things go. Any bugs, typos, will report back; hopefully won't repeat already known issues. I am using the lastest versions of the modules and rulesets/extensions (downloaded and installed today; 15th Aug 2020).
First off, the ruleset and modules are brilliant and things are working well for character creation etc.
Here are some things I have found:
Ruleset errors = NONE
Ruleset features (that I think may be missing):
1. Armor: soak-defence are not updated when the armor is set to equipped/unequipped in the inventory.
2. Actions Tab: Powers do not have a description/results field so you know what the effect/spell does.
3. Encumbrance: There is Total encumbrance (and adding a backpack does effect this, love this improvement), but there is no Maximum encumbrance for the character.
Modules:
1. Realms of Terrinoth: Bedroll is spelt Beadroll.
2. Genesys Core: Light Spear has Skill of Melee(Heavy), instead of Melee(Light)
3. Realms of Terrinoth: Crossbow using Melee(Heavy) instead of Ranged.
Suggestions (Only my thoughts, many may disagree, which is cool):
1. Combat Tab: Move the Initiative frame above the Combat Weapons frame.
2. Notes Tab: Move the Experience frame above the notes frame.
3. Abilities Tab, Talents: Maybe temporary, but add the Tier to the list and order by it. This makes it easy to see how many of each teir you have (the ranked ones put a spanner in the works on this, but it may still help)
It is quite possible you already know these and have fixed them, so sorry if I have duplicated already known stuff, but hopefully there is somthing above that is useful.
Joe
Another suggestion:
1. Combat Tracker. - Setback/Boost die assigned via combat to characters/monsters. I set up 4 effects in the effects table: Boost, Setback, Lower Difficulty by 1, Raise Difficulty by 1. For example, when the die results gives the option to "boost" another player I just drag and drop the effect "Boost" on to that player. When that players turn comes around, I can see I need to add the boost die to his roll. The nice thing is it also has a duration, so it will delete itself at the end of the turn (or you can remove yourself).
I personally prefer this over the original method in EotE, as it allows all effects to be used; e.g. you could add an effect of "dropped weapon", "out of ammo" etc.
Joe
1. FixedQuote:
Originally Posted by joeblack1863
2. Fixed
3. Checked and it said ranged for me. Open open your Campaign open the the Relms of Terrinoth Library, right click the crossbow and select revert changes and see what it says.
Thanks they will be changed in the next update.
Actualy there is. Click the button in the bottom left till you see display toggle it till you see summary.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeblack1863
As for the rest Johniba said that more automation would come later.
POSSIBLE BUG/ERROR
While playing around with the Combat Tracker:
Dragging and dropping effects on characters.
Sequence to reproduce:
1. Open combat tracker with characters monsters in it.
2. Open effects window and drag on drop an effect on a character. (You may need to open the effects and drop directly on that as I found it was hit and miss dropping on to a character)
3. Drag a second effect on to the same character.
4. The following error should occur:
Script Error: [string "scripts/manager_string.lua"]:81: attempt to get length of local 'set' (a nil value)
This error prevents more than one effect from being placed on a character/monster in the combat tracker.
Joe
3. Checked and it said ranged for me. Open open your Campaign open the the Relms of Terrinoth Library, right click the crossbow and select revert changes and see what it says.
My bad, it was not the crossbow in Terrinoth, it was the one in Genesys Expanded Players Guide (There are 3 crossbow entries, I had fixed it locally and so got confused on which one it was!)
I went through the titles of all items to check for typos (as I am not doing anything at the moment)
Modules
1. Genesys Core: Assault Cannon is spelt Assult Cannon
2. Genesys Core: Portable Missile Launcher is spelt Portable Missle Launcher.
This are the only ones I found.
p.s. You probably know this, but the Genesys Expanded Players Guide is misspelled as Genesys Expaned... is that an easy fix?
Thanks I fixed them.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeblack1863
hey Joeblack1863
Thanks for the really nice list of error report and feedback
I will put on my list here and work on them!
I noticed that the dice aren't totaling rolls. Do you know why that is? It seems to work when making a roll using skills rolls. But not when just adding dice to the pool on the fly.
im gonna checkQuote:
Originally Posted by sevrick
EDIT: ok i found the issue and got it fixed, it will be in the next update
- Fixed typos found in Genesys Core, Expanded Players Guide, and Realms of Terrinoth
- Secrets of the Crucible is now available.
Something about Secrets of the Crucible. I added a new group apart from the normal special abilities, and put all the species creation abilities there. It just seemed they should be separate. Let me know if you all would rather have them in one group.
Also I added Randomized tables to the species creation. You can go to the Story tab and click templates, then open the "Random Species Template" and click generate. This will make an instant random species as per rules found in the book. It will add it in as a story entry.
Let me know of any problems, suggestions, or typos.:)
@Sevrik,
Nice work! I don't currently own Keyforge, although I don't think that will be for much longer, but I had a look through, with checking the titles/typos just to see if I could pick up anything for you:
1. Items: NONE found.
2. Skills: Not typos, but I noticed you are using the special symbol Æ in the Knowledge(Æmber), but not for AEmbercraft. I dragged and dropped the Knowledge skill(Æmber) in to skills and it worked fine, so doesn't appear to be any reason not to switch to Æ for all occurances?
3. Skills: Knowledge(Science is spelt Knowledge(Sience)
4. Special Abilities: There are two entries Titled "Incorporeal". One refers to page 35 and the other refers to page 40.
5. Talents: NONE found.
6. Table 1-4: Silhouette spelt Silouette.
6. Tables: Table 1-7: Dominat Sense, should this be Dominant Sense?
7. Species/Archetypes: NONE found.
Hope this helps.
Joe
That is an issue currently with codepage and how xml and lua store info in the code. I could not find a way to fix it, so for now we need to ahve it as "AE"Quote:
Originally Posted by joeblack1863
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Originally Posted by joeblack1863
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Originally Posted by sevrick
I have fixed the two errors above...
Plus, I know there was some confusion on how the "Powers" work in the Actions page in the character sheet, so I changed how it is visible.
By default now, all info on the powers will be expanded, you dont need to click any buttons to display information.
I will customize it later
You can download the fixes by downloading the new version:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...R-?usp=sharing
2. I changed it to "AE" the other way caused the link to skill not to workQuote:
Originally Posted by joeblack1863
3. Fix
4. Fixed
6. Fixed
6.? Fixed
Thanks
I noticed that there is not check box for attachments when exporting. So all the modules I have made won't have any attachments yet.
I think I fixed it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by sevrick
Please download the ruleset again...
It works now thx.Quote:
Originally Posted by johniba
Did you ever figure out how to keep tokens at the same scale you had after adding them to an encounter?
Basicly what happens is when you make an encounter then drag the tokens onto the map and scale them appropriately. Then when you try to run the encounter token scales are set back to what it was before you scaled it.
Im gonna see if i can fixQuote:
Originally Posted by sevrick
- Added the "Starting Skill Ranks" Ability to all species where applicable.
- Added Battle Rage to the Orc Species
- Attachments should show up now.
- Changed plural versions of Species names to singular to make more sense when being applied to a character.
- Added Militia Training to gnome.
- Fixed Half-Catfolk, Phyll and Loonie Species page reference.
I have started a list of things I noticed. You may be already aware of some of these but I figured I would get them out there.
Bugs
- Attachments, Species, and Special Abilities entries don't show dice symbols.
Tweaks
- Text Shrinks when Bolded.
- NPC token on main tab too small and off center
- The Space between Difficulty Symbols could be smaller. Not sure but the other symbols might need same treatment.
Bells and Whistles
- Colored dice font symbols.
Ah nice spotting of errors, let me write down so i can fix later....Quote:
Originally Posted by sevrick
One observation though: i will check if it is possible to change dice symbol colors, i am not sure FG can do that, but it is sure a nice thing to have
So I would like your opinion on this
I am working on the vehicle sheet.
The way vehicles will work will be like this:
Characters will have a tab in their inventory, where they can have multiple vehicles
They can choose their "current" vehicle, which will then be activated, in a separate tab in the character sheet.
This way we can have a character have several ships, and i will also implement a way for a ship to be shared among players, so people can have multicrew
But... for npcs I am thinking of limiting one ship for each npc. Do you think this is a good idea? Should we also have multiple ships per npc?
I know most npcs will not have any, some will have one ship possibly.
It is just a matter of which one you prefer...
Also, have a look at the vehicle record (for the vehicles database) this is still missing weapons, attachments, but it is almost done
Attachment 38644
As a DM I might be hard pressed to come up with a reason an NPC might need multiple ships. That said I have run games where an opponent group might have needed to share the same ship, same as your plans for the PCs.Quote:
Originally Posted by johniba
The sheet itself looks great. Maybe I am remembering my star Wars days but it doesn't appear that Genesys core has any use for defense facings. No big deal for the Genesys Core but will probably require some work for the Star Wars mod.
I agree there is a definite reason for PCs to have multiple ships but for NPCs...I can't think of reason to have multiple vehicles. If it turns out it is needed through play testing you can always change it.Quote:
Originally Posted by johniba
Thats a good reason, i will see that i can code it then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xarax
Dont worry about the defense facings, i will add them to star wars :)
Have an idea for a feature. You could automatically total the PC party exp and show it in the party sheet, along with the party CR. You could have FG count how many PCs there are in the party sheet so it knows what CR to display. This would be based off the table on page 85 in the expaned players guide..
This is a great idea!Quote:
Originally Posted by sevrick
After I have finished background stuff (motivations etca) and vehicles, one of the things i wanna do is make it so the ruleset properly accounts for exp, so we have a proper character creation system indepedently of external sources.
I will then implement also your idea.
Sevrick
I have just uploaded a new version of the ruleset.
I have added the Vehicles database and modified the Item (weapon) database
The idea is so you can have a look at how vehicles record is, and if you think it looks ok, let me know... and you can then start inserting vehicles into your modules.
Here are some notes (please open the attachment for an example)
Attachment 38677
- Items database: special types are Gear, Armor, Weapon, and now also Vehicle Weapon
When you create an item type "Vehicle Weapon", notice a new field "Fire Arc" (check example: Chin-mounted railgun)
When adding weapons to Vehicles, it accepts both item type "Weapon" and "Vehicle Weapon"
- Attachments database: equipment type can now be Vehicle
These are the only accepted attachments for vehicles.
- The vehicles record has a listing for weapons and attachments.
I know that both lists do not have a header right now, but i will improve later.
Also do not worry about not having buttons to roll skills, as the vehicle database is only for the database itself.
The character sheet and npc sheets will have ways to use a vehicle weapon...
Also, for now no inventory on vehicles, i will implement soon.
EDIT: oh one more thing:
When you are about to upload a new version of your module, please check if they are not being listed twice.
What i mean is, when i was checking the google drive folder, i noticed two "expanded players guide"... no idea why, maybe it is the way drive check versions.
What you can do is remove the current files from there, before uploading...
Looks good. Some things I noticedQuote:
Originally Posted by johniba
- Weapons missing the number of weapons. For example vehicles that say something like "15 starboard pounder cannons". You could add it to the far left column. It doesn't have to be part of the weapon stats its self but show up as number box along side the weapon, if that makes sense.
- The firing arc column doesn't expand to fit content.
Also I take it you know you still have to add a way to give these vehicles to NPCs and PCs.
I have uploaded a new version, with Number of weapons field on.Quote:
Originally Posted by sevrick
I will still fix the layout later, but i think it is good to use for now, at least for entering vehicles
I will indeed work on adding vehicles to pcs and npcs soon, it is not in the ruleset yet.
Somthing I noticed while entering the vehicles passenger capacity sometimes has a side note to it's entry. For example the Four-Door Automobile on page 231 of geneys core says the passenger capacity is "3 (5 Uncomfortably)". You might increase the entry window width to accommodate extra details.
ok, hold on the creation of vehicles thenQuote:
Originally Posted by sevrick
I will make that a text field then
EDIT: OK, I have changed that field to TEXT now.
Problem is... if you created any vehicles already, you either need to delete them, or go to your xml and remove the passenger capacity field from those records, so when you go back in, you can type them again
Sorry
You can download the new ruleset file
Thanks there were only 2 records I need to change so far, so all good.Quote:
Originally Posted by johniba
EDIT: Another thing I noticed is that speed could be changed to Max Speed. Not really important right now but it might get mixed up with current speed.