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June 29th, 2021, 01:51
nephranka

I was playing around with the better combat effects and seeing if I could replace on going saves in one of my auras:

Moonbeam; AURA: 5 all; IF: FACTION(notself); SAVEOS: CON 14 (M)(H); SAVEDMG: 2d10 radiant, spell, magic

The aura works but it is hitting itself so it is acting like it is ignoring the IF statement. When I use the ongoing saves from Kent:

Moonbeam; AURA: 5 all; IF: FACTION(notself); SAVEO: CON DC 14 (M)(H); SAVEDMG: 2d10 radiant, spell, magic

It is working fine. Is this something that this ext needs to pick up (the SAVEOS) or is this something I should take over to the better combat effects ext for a request?

Any guidance would be great. My goal is to drop a couple of ext and replace them with the better combat effects ext.

Thanks!
June 29th, 2021, 01:52
Jaegar

I just wanted to say thanks!
June 29th, 2021, 03:23
rhagelstrom

Quote:

Originally Posted by nephranka

I was playing around with the better combat effects and seeing if I could replace on going saves in one of my auras:

Moonbeam; AURA: 5 all; IF: FACTION(notself); SAVEOS: CON 14 (M)(H); SAVEDMG: 2d10 radiant, spell, magic

The aura works but it is hitting itself so it is acting like it is ignoring the IF statement. When I use the ongoing saves from Kent:

Moonbeam; AURA: 5 all; IF: FACTION(notself); SAVEO: CON DC 14 (M)(H); SAVEDMG: 2d10 radiant, spell, magic

It is working fine. Is this something that this ext needs to pick up (the SAVEOS) or is this something I should take over to the better combat effects ext for a request?

Any guidance would be great. My goal is to drop a couple of ext and replace them with the better combat effects ext.

Thanks!

It's very likely that BCE isn't respecting the IF statements. I'll take a look at and if it isn't respecting them I'll put that at the top of the list of things to do.
June 29th, 2021, 10:34
nephranka

Thank you.
June 29th, 2021, 12:15
bmos

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhagelstrom

It's very likely that BCE isn't respecting the IF statements. I'll take a look at and if it isn't respecting them I'll put that at the top of the list of things to do.

After looking at BCE code, I think this is the case. You might want to look at using hasEffect
July 1st, 2021, 06:10
Tatershal

It would be possible to automate this power with this extension

Starting at 1st level, you can forge an empowering bond among people who are at peace with one another. As an action, you choose a number of willing creatures within 30 feet of you (this can include yourself) equal to your proficiency bonus. You create a magical bond among them for 10 minutes or until you use this feature again. While any bonded creature is within 30 feet of another, the creature can roll a d4 and add the number rolled to an attack roll, an ability check, or a saving throw it makes. Each creature can add the d4 no more than once per turn.

You can use this feature a number of times equal to your proficiency bonus, and you regain all expended uses when you finish a long rest.
July 2nd, 2021, 14:15
randomnumber46

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmos

Can you give me specific steps to prompt that error? I now have this extension (thanks to arcanjl) so I can hopefully fix compatibility.
I know it is related to concentration but since I don't use the ext or 5e in general it would help a lot if i had a step by step process to reproduce the problem.

I DM'd you but not sure if it went through, so replying here as well to be safe.

The error only occurred with Polymorph, since it was the only shapechange effect with concentration. The effect applies correctly, but when you break concentration (either by manually deleting the effect, failing a concentration check or clicking the 'Stop Concentrating' button) the error pops up. It doesn't seem to happen if the polymorphed form is reduced to 0 hp and the creature changes back, even though this also removes the polymorph effect. The same thing happens whether the caster is the target or not.

Everything seems to work correctly, even with the error, but since I don't know what the error is I don't know if there is anything unseen going on so I've avoided using them together.

Let me know if you want me to go into more detail on any particular part!
July 2nd, 2021, 14:46
bmos

Quote:

Originally Posted by randomnumber46

I DM'd you but not sure if it went through, so replying here as well to be safe.

The error only occurred with Polymorph, since it was the only shapechange effect with concentration. The effect applies correctly, but when you break concentration (either by manually deleting the effect, failing a concentration check or clicking the 'Stop Concentrating' button) the error pops up. It doesn't seem to happen if the polymorphed form is reduced to 0 hp and the creature changes back, even though this also removes the polymorph effect. The same thing happens whether the caster is the target or not.

Everything seems to work correctly, even with the error, but since I don't know what the error is I don't know if there is anything unseen going on so I've avoided using them together.

Let me know if you want me to go into more detail on any particular part!

haven't had a chance to test it yet, but that sounds like just what I need. thanks!
July 8th, 2021, 22:58
Shireling

So I was pleasantly surprised to see the update on this thread so thank you for continuing to stay on top of this. I did have an issue with applying it though...

I have a homebrew effect where if anyone is within 5 feet of PC at start of their turn they take 1d4 acid damage from aura. I have it coded as the following:

Effluvium; AURA: 8 all; IF:FACTION(notself); DMGO: 1d4 acid

There is a timing involved and the aura is applied to SELF. Long story short it works great EXCEPT if the creature within the aura is larger than Medium. If it is a large creature, then the 4 squares along the top edge including the corners do not have the FROMAURA effect. Once the PC is in any of the other 6 squares surrounding the Large creature, it will take damage at the start of its turn as it should. Suggestions in regards to size of tokens?
July 8th, 2021, 23:54
bmos

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shireling

So I was pleasantly surprised to see the update on this thread so thank you for continuing to stay on top of this. I did have an issue with applying it though...

I have a homebrew effect where if anyone is within 5 feet of PC at start of their turn they take 1d4 acid damage from aura. I have it coded as the following:

Effluvium; AURA: 8 all; IF:FACTION(notself); DMGO: 1d4 acid

There is a timing involved and the aura is applied to SELF. Long story short it works great EXCEPT if the creature within the aura is larger than Medium. If it is a large creature, then the 4 squares along the top edge including the corners do not have the FROMAURA effect. Once the PC is in any of the other 6 squares surrounding the Large creature, it will take damage at the start of its turn as it should. Suggestions in regards to size of tokens?

Interesting! I haven't seen this issue myself although I have used large creatures.
What ruleset? Why 8 ft in your effect? Are you using raw distance?
You also might want to try using https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...ight-Indicator
July 9th, 2021, 02:00
Shireling

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmos

What ruleset? Why 8 ft in your effect? Are you using raw distance?

Good question - 5e

The reason I picked 8 ft was to see if the corner was the only issue when I originally set the distance for 5 feet but that wasn't the case. It was really just the top row in its entirety. The other surprising one was that if left at 5 ft, it wouldn't pick up Huge creatures (15x15) unless I set it to 10 ft because it appeared to only recognize the targeting to the center of the creature and not the edge of it.

I do use the Token Height Indicator extension and it works great and how it should with your aura extension.
July 9th, 2021, 02:26
Valdemar

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmos

Correct. I switched the range calculation to the Unity-only getDistanceBetween function in v0.5.

I think this custom version of 0.9 might work in Classic. I took the original range check code and copied it into the later 0.9 version.
If it doesn't work, DM me with the details and I can see if I can get something working for you.
However, this generally is unsupported and will have some bugs from v0.4 that I fixed in the versions after v0.9.

Is this a version specific to Classic? In FGU it seems to not care how far away the token is - if it is a friend, it is applying the aura (tested with Paladin Aura of Protection (10) - level 13 Paladin).
July 9th, 2021, 02:58
Valdemar

OK I updated to ver 1.4 - seems to have fixed the issue with only those within the radius having the aura applied as well as adding/deleting the aura as they move around.

There are a couple issues I am wondering about.

1 - The adjustment to save (Paladin's Protection Aura) is not adding the Paladin's CHA modifier to the party member's saving throw (he is 10' away - it should be applying it).

2 - It does not seem to allow applying multiple auras from one source (Paladin) they should have courage and protection - is there a way to have both effects in the same Aura - (i.e. AURA: 10 friend; Paladin's Auras of Courage-Protection; IMMUNE: Frightened, SAVE: CHA; [Self] )?

FGU - 5e Ruleset - Aura Effects v1.4
July 9th, 2021, 11:37
bmos

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valdemar

Is this a version specific to Classic? In FGU it seems to not care how far away the token is - if it is a friend, it is applying the aura (tested with Paladin Aura of Protection (10) - level 13 Paladin).

Yes, sorry if I wasn't clear about that. That was a test build I made to try and help people who aren't using Unity.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shireling

Good question - 5e

The reason I picked 8 ft was to see if the corner was the only issue when I originally set the distance for 5 feet but that wasn't the case. It was really just the top row in its entirety. The other surprising one was that if left at 5 ft, it wouldn't pick up Huge creatures (15x15) unless I set it to 10 ft because it appeared to only recognize the targeting to the center of the creature and not the edge of it.

I do use the Token Height Indicator extension and it works great and how it should with your aura extension.

Have you tested your issue with just Aura Effects enabled?
Token Height Indicator totally changes how distance is calculated, so that could explain what you're seeing and so could other extensions if you haven't tested without them.

EDIT: Just tested with both large and huge creatures in 5e with and without token height and no issues on my end. Sounds like an extension conflict to me.
July 9th, 2021, 11:45
bmos

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valdemar

AURA: 10 friend; Paladin's Auras of Courage-Protection; IMMUNE: Frightened, SAVE: CHA; [Self]

You should read the documentation about how to write effects as you have some issues.

Your effect should be: AURA: 10 friend; Paladin's Auras of Courage-Protection; IMMUNE: Frightened; SAVE: [CHA]
July 9th, 2021, 17:47
Morik

Our barbarian has Totem of the Wolf Spirit. When he's raging, his friends have advantage on melee attacks against any hostile creature within 5' of him. What would be the best way to write this?

I've tried AURA: 5 foe; GRANTADVATK
Update: AURA: 5 foe; Totem Spirit; GRANTSADVATK: melee; [SELF]

Seems to work well. Is there a better way to write it, though?
July 9th, 2021, 18:11
Morik

Should I add an IF: FACTION(friend) in there? Or can I even do that somehow?
July 9th, 2021, 18:11
Valdemar

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmos

You should read the documentation about how to write effects as you have some issues.

Your effect should be: AURA: 10 friend; Paladin's Auras of Courage-Protection; IMMUNE: Frightened; SAVE: [CHA]

Yup that was it.

Is there any limit to how many effects you can put in one command line (as you can only have one Aura on at a time, I may need to stack what they do (and possibly who they affect) thinking Paladin's auras + Spirit guardians....

Thanks for the help and for keeping this awesome extension updated while Kent is dealing with life stuff.
July 9th, 2021, 18:27
Morik

Update: AURA: 5 foe; Totem Spirit; GRANTSADVATK: melee; [SELF]

Can I add this to my existing Rage effect? It doesn't seem to work. Does it have to be kept separate since it affects foes?
July 9th, 2021, 18:33
bmos

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valdemar

Yup that was it.

Is there any limit to how many effects you can put in one command line (as you can only have one Aura on at a time, I may need to stack what they do (and possibly who they affect) thinking Paladin's auras + Spirit guardians....

Thanks for the help and for keeping this awesome extension updated while Kent is dealing with life stuff.

Pretty sure you can have as many as you want. Not sure why you can only have 1 aura per source, perhaps this happened when the requirement of having an aura title was removed.

EDIT:
Latest version now available on FantasyGrounds Forge
July 20th, 2021, 00:28
M0kkan

I found an incompatibility with another extension. I know there's never an expectation for these things to get along, but thought you might want to know.

When Aura Effects is used with 5e - Roll for Initiative Addon by Houndy, the aura effect is applied twice when 'Manual Save Rolls' is 'On' for PC or NPC.

Display text in the chat window:
[SAVE] Wisdom [EFFECTS +5] [EFFECTS +5]

This does not happen when the manual rolls are off.

Thanks for your work on your extensions, they're quite useful.
July 20th, 2021, 00:35
bmos

Quote:

Originally Posted by M0kkan

When Aura Effects is used with 5e - Roll for Initiative Addon by Houndy, the aura effect is applied twice when 'Manual Save Rolls' is 'On' for PC or NPC.

Are you also using this extension?
July 20th, 2021, 00:37
M0kkan

No. I do not own it.
July 20th, 2021, 00:43
bmos

Quote:

Originally Posted by M0kkan

No. I do not own it.

The reason I ask is that I am not seeing that problem when I test with 5E RFIA v0.19 and Aura v1.4 so it makes me think you have other extensions running that are the root cause.
July 20th, 2021, 00:57
M0kkan

I just confirmed with 5e RFIA v0.19 and Aura v1.4 and all other ext's disabled. FGU with current update, 4.1.4.

AURA: 10 friend; Protection; SAVE: 5

If there's any other test I can run for you, let me know.
July 20th, 2021, 01:03
bmos

Quote:

Originally Posted by M0kkan

I just confirmed with 5e RFIA v0.19 and Aura v1.4 and all other ext's disabled. FGU with current update, 4.1.4.

AURA: 10 friend; Protection; SAVE: 5

If there's any other test I can run for you, let me know.

Sounds like we are just doing something differently.
Can you either record a video of it from start to finish or just type out step by step instructions to reproduce the issue?
July 20th, 2021, 02:40
nephranka

Quote:

Originally Posted by M0kkan

I found an incompatibility with another extension. I know there's never an expectation for these things to get along, but thought you might want to know.

When Aura Effects is used with 5e - Roll for Initiative Addon by Houndy, the aura effect is applied twice when 'Manual Save Rolls' is 'On' for PC or NPC.

Display text in the chat window:
[SAVE] Wisdom [EFFECTS +5] [EFFECTS +5]

This does not happen when the manual rolls are off.

Thanks for your work on your extensions, they're quite useful.

I found this issue with the RFIA by itself. Some where around page 17 we started to report the issue. This might be that coming through auras?

https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...d-skill/page17
July 20th, 2021, 07:39
Falkners

if you are accessible, would really like a bit of guidance. Are there obstacles at the IF declaration with the charisma effect?

Or (more likely), how am I coding this incorrectly?
procreate for pc
July 20th, 2021, 10:41
bmos

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falkners

if you are accessible, would really like a bit of guidance. Are there obstacles at the IF declaration with the charisma effect?

Or (more likely), how am I coding this incorrectly?
procreate for pc

If would help if you posted your effect :P
July 20th, 2021, 15:49
M0kkan

Quote:

Originally Posted by nephranka

I found this issue with the RFIA by itself. Some where around page 17 we started to report the issue. This might be that coming through auras?

https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...d-skill/page17

Looks like you're right. I guess I haven't been using effects to drive this sort of thing until I tried the Aura ext. bmos, looks like you're off the hook :) Although, if you're not getting the effect duplication with manual roll set to 'on', you might have found a solution to RFIA's issue.
July 20th, 2021, 16:45
bmos

Quote:

Originally Posted by M0kkan

Looks like you're right. I guess I haven't been using effects to drive this sort of thing until I tried the Aura ext. bmos, looks like you're off the hook :) Although, if you're not getting the effect duplication with manual roll set to 'on', you might have found a solution to RFIA's issue.

More likely I was just testing it differently. Happy to confirm/deny this assumption if you can post a step by step process to replicate it.
July 20th, 2021, 20:48
macduffie465

Long thread; Apologize if this scenario has been covered. I haven't found the coding. Closest I could find was using the AURA and REGEN, but that isn't quite what I'm looking to establish.

Scenario: Player has Healing Spirit, which reads "Until the spell ends, whenever you or a creature you can see moves into the spirits space for the first time on a turn or starts its turn there, you can cause the spirit to restore 1d6 hit points to that creature (no action required).". Cool, a Font of Healing, just walk through it on your turn as part of your movement and get a 1d6 heal. It can only trigger this heal 1+ spell casting ability modifier (minimum of twice).

Thought of dropping a token in combat tracker/battle map and putting an aura affect on that token when the player casts the spell, allowing players to see the spirit on the map and pass through it as part of their movement or a quick heal; or have the ranger drop it on the tank's square and just give them 1d6 healing at the start of their turn for as long as they can. I was originally thinking that an ongoing 'save', with negative damage would fit the bill; just set the DC of the save so high that a player stepping into the aura always fails resulting in the SAVEDMG getting rolled, resulting in a HEAL roll. Though they do get triggered at the start of their turn in the aura, it 1) doesn't get triggered when they first enter the aura, nor 2) does it roll SAVEDMG or HEAL.

AURA: 1 friend; Healing Spirit; IF: FACTION(friend); SAVEO: wisdom DC 1 (M); SAVEDMG: -1d6;
OR
AURA: 1 friend; Healing Spirit; IF: FACTION(friend); SAVEO: WIS DC 100; HEAL: 1d6;

Thoughts?
July 20th, 2021, 21:04
bmos

Quote:

Originally Posted by macduffie465

Though they do get triggered at the start of their turn in the aura, it 1) doesn't get triggered when they first enter the aura, nor 2) does it roll SAVEDMG or HEAL.

That would require some other extension that triggers actions based on the creation of an effect. It goes beyond the scope of this extension.
July 20th, 2021, 21:51
macduffie465

*trombone noises*
I was afraid it might. Theatre of the mind it is.....
July 20th, 2021, 22:11
MrDDT

Quote:

Originally Posted by macduffie465

Long thread; Apologize if this scenario has been covered. I haven't found the coding. Closest I could find was using the AURA and REGEN, but that isn't quite what I'm looking to establish.

Scenario: Player has Healing Spirit, which reads "Until the spell ends, whenever you or a creature you can see moves into the spirits space for the first time on a turn or starts its turn there, you can cause the spirit to restore 1d6 hit points to that creature (no action required).". Cool, a Font of Healing, just walk through it on your turn as part of your movement and get a 1d6 heal. It can only trigger this heal 1+ spell casting ability modifier (minimum of twice).

Thought of dropping a token in combat tracker/battle map and putting an aura affect on that token when the player casts the spell, allowing players to see the spirit on the map and pass through it as part of their movement or a quick heal; or have the ranger drop it on the tank's square and just give them 1d6 healing at the start of their turn for as long as they can. I was originally thinking that an ongoing 'save', with negative damage would fit the bill; just set the DC of the save so high that a player stepping into the aura always fails resulting in the SAVEDMG getting rolled, resulting in a HEAL roll. Though they do get triggered at the start of their turn in the aura, it 1) doesn't get triggered when they first enter the aura, nor 2) does it roll SAVEDMG or HEAL.

AURA: 1 friend; Healing Spirit; IF: FACTION(friend); SAVEO: wisdom DC 1 (M); SAVEDMG: -1d6;
OR
AURA: 1 friend; Healing Spirit; IF: FACTION(friend); SAVEO: WIS DC 100; HEAL: 1d6;

Thoughts?

HEAL: 1d6 isn't even a code you can use.
the DC on the dmg should be high like 100.
The coding for damage does not do -1d6 to heal (you will get 0 everytime)
You can put the coding to SAVEDMG: -1 (this will heal them 1 point of untyped damage on a failed save)

This will auto trigger as they move into the space, it will apply the effect on them as they move into the aura, however, it would need to be applied at the end of the turn or the start of the turn. (Their turn has already started if they are moving into the space)

With the current coding options, I do not see a way to automate this, as BMOS has said.
Not only that, if you take the healing side of it out, you still can't automate it for dmging effects. Unless they give dmg at the "start of turn" or "end of turn" while in the aura, you can automate it.
If it says "when they enter" or "when they leave" I see no current way to automate those.
July 21st, 2021, 00:21
M0kkan

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmos

More likely I was just testing it differently. Happy to confirm/deny this assumption if you can post a step by step process to replicate it.

1. Load a campaign with RFIA v0.19 and Aura v1.4
2. Go to 'Options' and under the RFIA section set 'Manual Save Rolls PC' to 'On'. I have seen the same issue with NPC on or off. As long as the target's manual rolls are 'on', it seems to replicate.
3. Add PC's to CT. I had 3 PCs.
4. Add aura effect to one PC:
AURA: 10 friend; Protection; SAVE: 5
5. Add NPC to CT, I used the standard 'Acolyte', though it seemed to replicate with any NPC.
6. Place PC with aura so that it affects another PC.
7. Target one or more affected PCs with the Acolyte
8. Double click the action in the CT to drive the save for the Acolyte's Sacred Flame
9. Use the pop-up to roll the save for the targeted PCs
10. The chat window should show the aura effect twice, and the roll reflects this.
July 21st, 2021, 07:04
Rixx

So, is there a way to add the Aura Effect to an NPC? I want to use it on NPC's, without having to apply it manually to each one... Let me know if this is even doable. Alternately, if someone knows of a way to have an effect active on an NPC by default let me know, far as i know you have to apply it to the npc manually once its in the combat log
July 21st, 2021, 10:36
nephranka

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rixx

So, is there a way to add the Aura Effect to an NPC? I want to use it on NPC's, without having to apply it manually to each one... Let me know if this is even doable. Alternately, if someone knows of a way to have an effect active on an NPC by default let me know, far as i know you have to apply it to the npc manually once its in the combat log

I use the advanced effects ext to add auras.
July 21st, 2021, 16:18
Rixx

Quote:

Originally Posted by nephranka

I use the advanced effects ext to add auras.

Do you have a link to this extension? I am literally a baby at extensions... this is my first ever extension.
July 21st, 2021, 16:28
rhagelstrom

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rixx

Do you have a link to this extension? I am literally a baby at extensions... this is my first ever extension.

Wrong link. See next post. Sorry for confusion

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