Release 19 - Information and feedback

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Originally Posted by MaxAstro

If I could have my dream overhaul of the activities tab - because even after using it for a while it does feel cluttered and it's definitely slow to load - I think what it would look like is a display of just favorited activities (ideally with the ability to have multiple named categories of favorites), and then a button that opens all activities in a separate window.

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This is just the presentation of the Favorites class in a separate tab. I threw this together while I was doing some other "activities" work. I doubt I'll have the bandwidth to do anything significant beyond this in the short-medium term.

https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...chmentid=64700

That's actually huge - waiting for activities to load is a notable time sink and my players kinda hate using activities because of it.

If the favorites tab is snappy to load that will be an amazing improvement.

EDIT: Weird UX thing, but the "Favorites" tab should maybe be below the "Activities" tab? That makes it more clear they are related in my opinion, and also keeps the Favorites tab next to the all-important Actions tab.

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Originally Posted by MaxAstro

That's actually huge - waiting for activities to load is a notable time sink and my players kinda hate using activities because of it.

If the favorites tab is snappy to load that will be an amazing improvement.

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Opening Favorites for the first time will be a little bit quicker than the Activities tab, but it still needs to parse through all activities to identify which are favorites. Any speed improvements will be based on building less GUI objects in the FG tab.

The large delay opening the Activities tab is a one-off. Once it's been opened for the first time during a session, it should be a lot quicker for subsequent openings, even if the PC sheet has been closed. I recommend players open the activities tab after they join a session and open their PC sheet for the first time, before they actually need to access activities.

You can see the speed differences in this video, even after closing and re-opening the PC sheet it's much quicker after the Activities tab has been opened once during the FG session: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/opi3x...m1sd98zkp&dl=0

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Originally Posted by Trenloe

This is just the presentation of the Favorites class in a separate tab. I threw this together while I was doing some other "activities" work. I doubt I'll have the bandwidth to do anything significant beyond this in the short-medium term.

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Theme: Core is preventing Favorites tab from being opened as a floating tab. (alt + left click)

Tested with and without too many extensions, in an old (pre-update) and new campaign. Same result.
It just selects the tab.
In fact, the theme is preventing all the other floating tabs to float.

Didn't test it with other themes.

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Originally Posted by Tempered7

Theme: Core is preventing Favorites tab from being opened as a floating tab. (alt + left click)

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Thanks for letting us know. We'll investigate further...

Having the separate favourites tab will be very useful. Thanks!

The biggest problem my players have had with Activities is that the Display selection (Min. Action/All Actions) doesn't retain its setting. I know there was earlier talk about setting a default in Options, but just having the selection stay between sessions would be even better, I believe.

Thanks for all of the hard work.

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Originally Posted by ScribblingRambler

...but just having the selection stay between sessions would be even better, I believe.

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That's how this was originally designed, but it caused serious issues when both a player and GM were looking at the same Activities tab, so storing the selection in the FG database was removed and the functionality changed to what it is now. Changing to use different database fields for the player and GM is not a simple task, hence why it hasn't been implemented already. I've added a note to the PF2 dev tasklist to look into this at some point, but I don't have an estimate of when that will be.

Thanks for the reply and explanation.
I'm sure my players will all like the new tab in the meantime.

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Originally Posted by Tempered7

Theme: Core is preventing Favorites tab from being opened as a floating tab. (alt + left click)

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This has been fixed with a ruleset hotfix: https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...l=1#post746497 Thanks again for letting us know about the issue.

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Originally Posted by Trenloe

This has been fixed with a ruleset hotfix: https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...l=1#post746497 Thanks again for letting us know about the issue.

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Np, also just confirmed it.

Since this was an edit to my original post and might have gotten missed, I thought I'd repost it hopefully before the window to make suggestions about the new feature is passed. :)

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Weird UX thing, but the "Favorites" tab should maybe be below the "Activities" tab? That makes it more clear they are related in my opinion, and also keeps the Favorites tab next to the all-important Actions tab.

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Originally Posted by MaxAstro

Since this was an edit to my original post and might have gotten missed, I thought I'd repost it hopefully before the window to make suggestions about the new feature is passed. :)

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Yep, I saw it. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by ScribblingRambler

The biggest problem my players have had with Activities is that the Display selection (Min. Action/All Actions) doesn't retain its setting. I know there was earlier talk about setting a default in Options, but just having the selection stay between sessions would be even better, I believe.

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This functionality was added this week: https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...l=1#post746957

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Originally Posted by MaxAstro

EDIT: Weird UX thing, but the "Favorites" tab should maybe be below the "Activities" tab? That makes it more clear they are related in my opinion, and also keeps the Favorites tab next to the all-important Actions tab.

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Updated this week: https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...l=1#post746957

Want to give a shoutout to "all four defense proficiencies are visible without scrolling" - little things like that make such a big difference in usability!

New video covering the Battlecry! Command Tactics and new 'Special' PC sheet tab: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0UZcjePQTo

So for some reason, might be the new version of FG, or the new version of the FGU Ruleset updates, but... When a player of mine tried to cycle the Display option on the actions tab of his character sheet, nothing happened. I tried it on GM side offcourse. And after the game i tried it with all extension off, same restult.

I thought i would report it here anyhow...

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Originally Posted by Honken

So for some reason, might be the new version of FG, or the new version of the FGU Ruleset updates, but... When a player of mine tried to cycle the Display option on the actions tab of his character sheet, nothing happened. I tried it on GM side offcourse. And after the game i tried it with all extension off, same restult.

I thought i would report it here anyhow...

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This is related to this issue: https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...l=1#post748267 which was fixed yesterday.

If this is still occurring after updating FG, please provide an XML export of the PC in question.

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Originally Posted by Trenloe

This is related to this issue: https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...l=1#post748267 which was fixed yesterday.

If this is still occurring after updating FG, please provide an XML export of the PC in question.

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Yes, i did update to that uppdated version of FG before the game.

So here is the link to the XML exports of all the spellcaster PCs. I hope this helps.

/Honken

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Originally Posted by Honken

Yes, i did update to that uppdated version of FG before the game.

So here is the link to the XML exports of all the spellcaster PCs. I hope this helps.

/Honken

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Thanks for providing that information and reporting the issue. I've identified the issue and will get a hotfix out ASAP.

EDIT: This should be fixed now.

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Originally Posted by Trenloe

Thanks for providing that information and reporting the issue. I've identified the issue and will get a hotfix out ASAP.

EDIT: This should be fixed now.

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Yes, the issue was fixed. Thanks for the quick responses!

/Honken

I see in the last update automation for temp hp per turn was added via the SHIELDS effect? I looked in the wikis and see nothing to help expain how to use this. Can anyone provide some details?

Xargun

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Originally Posted by Xargun

I see in the last update automation for temp hp per turn was added via the SHIELDS effect? I looked in the wikis and see nothing to help expain how to use this. Can anyone provide some details?

Xargun

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At this point it's specifically linked to the Starfinder 2 Scene functionality and so can't be used on it's own right now. We'll be expanding the effect to make it more universal in a future release.

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Originally Posted by Trenloe

At this point it's specifically linked to the Starfinder 2 Scene functionality and so can't be used on it's own right now. We'll be expanding the effect to make it more universal in a future release.

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OK thanks.

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Originally Posted by Xargun

I see in the last update automation for temp hp per turn was added via the SHIELDS effect? I looked in the wikis and see nothing to help expain how to use this. Can anyone provide some details?

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Today's release has expanded the SHIELDS effect functionality. Refer to the new SHIELDS entry in the PF2 Ruleset Effects Wiki Page here: https://fantasygroundsunity.atlassia...PFRPG2+Effects

I have not had a chance to play with this yet.. Does it remove the THP after the duration?
This is an awesome effect for Pathfinder/Starfinder 2e. Great Add!

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Originally Posted by madman

I have not had a chance to play with this yet.. Does it remove the THP after the duration?

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No. It just stops regenerating.

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Originally Posted by madman

This is an awesome effect for Pathfinder/Starfinder 2e. Great Add!

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Thanks!

Not to ask for even more when you are already doing so incredibly much, but is there any plan for functionality to apply a duration to temp HP? It comes up a lot for my barbarian players.

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Originally Posted by MaxAstro

Not to ask for even more when you are already doing so incredibly much, but is there any plan for functionality to apply a duration to temp HP? It comes up a lot for my barbarian players.

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The issue is that the way temporary HP work in PF2/SF2 doesn't lend itself to using effects. Temporary HP are a one off application via the temp HP heal action, they're not effects. You can only have one source of temp HP active (make a decision which to use when the second source is applied) and so using effects with a duration, would still need some form of manual application/deletion to keep a reminder of temp HP duration. Maybe I could add an effect that clears temp HP when it expires - but the duration of that would have to be manually adjusted if a second source of temp HP was applied.

And... on a less serious note - tell your players of barbarian PCs that they're not playing "real" barbarians if they have temp HP left after one minute! :D

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Originally Posted by Trenloe

And... on a less serious note - tell your players of barbarian PCs that they're not playing "real" barbarians if they have temp HP left after one minute! :D

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Hah! Well, unfortunately (for me) the reason they usually have temp HP left is that my players' dice luck is insane and they keep killing my NPCs before they barely get a turn! But I'll tell them that anyway. :P

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Originally Posted by Trenloe

Maybe I could add an effect that clears temp HP when it expires - but the duration of that would have to be manually adjusted if a second source of temp HP was applied.

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Honestly, in my experience, stacking temp HP comes up pretty infrequently. Sources of temp HP outside of barbarians are rare in the first place, and most of my players instinctively avoid picking up multiple abilities that give temp HP because of how weird the stacking rules are. But I don't know how it is for other people.

Still, just having an effect that clears the temp HP would be amazing, because 90% of the time what I actually want is for any leftover temp HP to go away at the end of combat when I click the "clear temporary effects" button.

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Originally Posted by Trenloe

Today's release has expanded the SHIELDS effect functionality. Refer to the new SHIELDS entry in the PF2 Ruleset Effects Wiki Page here: https://fantasygroundsunity.atlassia...PFRPG2+Effects

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That looks perfect for my use. Mostly for alchemy / spells that provide temp HP each round. Thanks

Xargun

When we were readying for a new campaign I noticed that the movement are not correctly displayed when it is an actors turn. And as for as i know, this is mostly for characters, not NPC's.

This is freshly made characters, And Remastered.


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Originally Posted by Honken

When we were readying for a new campaign I noticed that the movement are not correctly displayed when it is an actors turn. And as for as i know, this is mostly for characters, not NPC's.

This is freshly made characters, And Remastered.


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I hadn't noticed this in my regular games. However, when I loaded up a test campaign it at first failed, then I added one line of debug code to the ruleset and it started working. Reverting that debug code still had it working.

The code that would have to fail to product 0 speed is core FG functionality, so it's concerning that this could happen. If you still have the issue can you please collect the logs immediately after the issue and post them here.

https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...chmentid=66145

Well, it didn't go away.

The Logs.

Thanks for the logs. EDIT: I'd recommend turning global debug off when you're playing the game as the additional debugging being written to the console.log file will slow down your game.

I see the issue - the Main tab uses speed.final to record the speed data, whereas the start turn message code uses speed.total - which is only calculated when the Combat tab is opened at least once. As a work around to fix this issue in your campaign, open the Combat tab on each PC sheet once to populate the database with speed.total. I'll adjust the code in the ruleset to just use just speed.total.

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Originally Posted by Honken

When we were readying for a new campaign I noticed that the movement are not correctly displayed when it is an actors turn. And as for as i know, this is mostly for characters, not NPC's.

This is freshly made characters, And Remastered.


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This should be fixed with the latest update: https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forum...nuary-6th-2026

Thanks for reporting the issue and providing extra details.

Hi there,

I've just clicked on this button, and it has taken me to a Google Doc instead of the wiki, which at the top talks about the functionality being in Release 19 Test. However I am on no test channel, and it says PF2 Release 20c in the chat.

I am assuming this isn't still intended, as the Google Doc is dated April 2023?

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Surge

Hi there,

I've just clicked on this button, and it has taken me to a Google Doc instead of the wiki, which at the top talks about the functionality being in Release 19 Test. However I am on no test channel, and it says PF2 Release 20c in the chat.

I am assuming this isn't still intended, as the Google Doc is dated April 2023?

Thanks.

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It's taken a backburner with other development, but is still a valid page. I'll remove the dates and version numbers to avoid confusion. Thanks!

I've also spotted that cantrips in the Prepared Caster class can be prepared (needlessly) multiple times.

It's been a number of years since my friends and I have played Pathfinder, but were they not once upon a time correctly only able to be prepared once per spell in the FG ruleset? Has there been some addition to PF2E where it becomes necessary to prepare a cantrip multiple times?

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Surge

I've also spotted that cantrips in the Prepared Caster class can be prepared (needlessly) multiple times.

It's been a number of years since my friends and I have played Pathfinder, but were they not once upon a time correctly only able to be prepared once per spell in the FG ruleset? Has there been some addition to PF2E where it becomes necessary to prepare a cantrip multiple times?

Thanks.

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I'll make a note to look into swapping the cantrip preparation controls for just single check boxes at some point in the future. If it's a quick and low risk change, I'll consider making the change.