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OK, see my previous post, and your 2nd issue (the name change one) is one mentioned before which we're having trouble tracking don, so see those posts as well and if you can give me as much info as you can that'd be greatQuote:
Originally Posted by gmdmb3
Rest? I'll rest when I'm dead - I've got three Ruleserts and a bunch of new Extensions to do first!
OK, could you drop all of the Extensions but the Locations and the DOE Base please, then let me know what happens - thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by gmdmb3
Just tell me how i can help, pics, video, teamspeak skype, you name it i will do what i can to help trouble shoot.Quote:
Originally Posted by dulux-oz
I will make sure drink a cold one in your honor at your resting party then.
Honestly though as soon as i get a few bucks to spare I'm gonna buy you a drink.
works without errors, gonna add the other extensions in one at a time now until i find the culprit will update after.Quote:
Originally Posted by dulux-oz
Alternate color Gizmo for BOTH problems i reported on.
And more tutorial videos. Can't forget the videos.Quote:
Originally Posted by dulux-oz
I was just about to say that from the DOE base the following would cause some kinda problems
Supersedes
The following Extensions are superseded by this Extension and are no longer required:
DOE: Alternative ColourGizmo Extension.
Well **** i missed that part.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbylain
One of the jobs I hate - and I mean really loath - is writing documentation - and it seems I can ignore doing that from now on as, obviously, no-one reads it :p
Cheers :)
Yeah, and the Tutorial Videos - they're coming as well. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nickademus
BTW, Nick, how did the upgrade go for you?
I'll be honest, I haven't upgraded. I'm working on a project that won't be using the Location Extension so I've been putting it off.
What could you possible be doing that won't use the Locations Extension?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nickademus
That's unheard of!
That's sacrilege!
That's... that's... I'm speechless!
:p
Ok you can Quote me and add it to the main post if you like...:pQuote:
Originally Posted by dulux-oz
"I am a FOOL that did not read all of the well thought out and carefully worded documentation for the DOE extensions. Please disregard my posts where i claim there is a bug. IT WAS ALL MY FAULT for NOT reading the IMPORTANT documentation that was lovingly provided for us."
:D
Mate, its cool! I'm just glad you guys are enthusiastic about my work enough to help out and report the bugs - I like it when people like my stuff!
I'm also a born sh!t-stirer - I can't help myself.
Merry Christmas!
Cheers
Well, I AM a black mage after all. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by dulux-oz
Well, in that case:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nickademus
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Hi Dulux, OK, I've had a chance to do some more testing and here's what I've found:
The errors don't occur on a virgin database for me, but they consistently happen on campaigns with a database from the previous release of locations.ext that was updated.
The errors occur in the locations, towns and buildings tabs, which are the only tabs that I had created data in previously, the other tabs don't produce errors. The title block for each of the error producing tabs is the only field that brings up the error condition upon typing the first character.
I exported my campaign as a module and the errors don't occur in a fresh campaign. The question I have is, does this extension work as a module? And, is there a way to change or update the data without re-exporting it? I'm 90% through entering all of greyhawk and really don't want to start over.
Thanks again
OK, is there any chance that you could email me the db.xml file for the campaign ([email protected]).
Cheers
My intention would be to make a module consisting of a small set of shops (buildings) without specified locations. As an illustrative example, I would have a Weapon and Ammunition shop which would contain all of the non-magical weapons and ammunition available in the Players Handbook, with unlimited quantities available, and prices set in capital letters (GP, SP, and CP).Quote:
Originally Posted by dulux-oz
Well, all of the items are from the Player's Handbook, so .. the items are already set to lowercase currency. So, are you saying that it would be easier to set some variable in the 5e ruleset which would make all of this happen automagically, or were you assuming that I was creating all of the items from scratch (in which case, I would of course make them of the appropriate upper case currency).Quote:
Originally Posted by dulux-oz
Since in our 5e PC Inventory tab the currency units are undefined, I suppose an alternative would be to change the adventure module treasure to grant lowercase currency.
Or, maybe we could get the FG people to update the PHB so that all the units would be in uppercase currency. Somehow I doubt that is in the works :)
Yeah, that's basically what I had in mind for part of the Extension and its how I use that part in my games. The difficulty is in the descriptive text that often accompanies Items. In a 3.5E game, for example (and someone can correct me on this if I'm wrong), the mechanics/details of the Item is find and covered under the Open License that WotC release 3.5e under (in other words, what's in the SRD), but the descriptive text found in the sourcebooks is not OK as that is copyrighted. Under the 5e rules I don't think the mechanics can be copied at all, let alone the descriptive text - but someone like Trenloe or the SW boys (Doug, Moon Wizard and Zeus) will know better than I do. If they don't reply here then I'd shoot them a PM asking.Quote:
Originally Posted by ffujita
Cheers
You could always change the currency in the shop (after you drag the Items across)Quote:
Originally Posted by ffujita
And indeed, that is what I'm in the process of doing. After doing that 20 times, you start to wonder about the other 300. But, since that's what has to be done ...Quote:
Originally Posted by dulux-oz
And let me once again express my gratitude for the shop functionality that you've made available.
OK, thankyou for you your thanks, I really do appreciate it. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ffujita
I'm sorry you've got to do that, and I'm sorry I don't have a better, easier solution for you and for everybody else - but I do this as a hobby: I spend my leisure time pounding away at my keyboard producing tools for people to use free of charge - and I do that because I like doing it. I don't play 5E so I don't have any reason to spend my money to acquire any 5E material, so I don't know how other authors choose to represent things like currencies within their stuff. Up until now there has been no - and I mean none - functionality within FG to handle currencies and/or currency conversions, including a "shop" function, primarily because of the issues around money and how to represent different types of money consistently within a computer across so many different game systems. I think what's been done here is pretty good for a first cut at such a complex topic (even if I do say so myself) - and remember; its free - out of all the people using and watching my stuff there have been 3 people who have actually decided to provide support in a concrete form, and maybe a dozen more who have said they would when they get some spare cash - and that's OK, I'm not doing this for the money because if I was I would have been selling this stuff from the start; I'm doing this because I like to - you know, "pay it forward" type stuff - but whether it was meant that way or not the above hit a raw nerve - which probably says more about me than anything else. :)
So I'll say it again: thankyou for your thanks, I really do sincerely appreciate it, and if I might suggest that people try to keep some of what I've just said in mind then I might think about continuing to help out with Rulesets, Extension, Videos and the rest.
If you've got any issues or questions or whatever, please let me know so I can see about getting them resolved :)
Cheers
I believe that such a module would infringe copyright since pretty much all of the PHB is copyright. Having said that if the items had no descriptive text then I don't think it would be an infringement since I doubt that WotC have copyright on Short sword, Long sword etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by ffujita
Having the moved the PHB equipment list into a small set of stores, here are the issues that I've found -- I won't call them bugs, especially because this is a general extension and not a 5e specific one.
1) The "Packs" like explorer's pack, scholar's pack, don't unpack when you purchase them from the store
a) Not really a problem, cause most people aren't buying packs from the store, just at character creation
2) Items from the PHB and items from the store don't stack -- so if you have 10 days of rations and you buy 10 more, you get two stacks of 10 days, not one stack of 20 days.
a) Not too much of a problem, when I first open up the store, I'll set the buy back at 100% and let players sell all of their consumables first, then buy back whatever quantities they wish.
3) The item weights take *way* too much space, when they are less than a quarter pound. For instance something that weighs 0.02 pounds in the PHB, weight 0.01999900004324 lbs in the store. This means that an item takes up three or four lines in the inventory tab.
a) I set these items to weight zero ... and I'll deal with abuse if and when I need to ... "You're carrying 50k ball bearing? I think you need to drop 40k of them NOW."
You can't sell a mule as an item (or any other animal, tack, or vehicle) so set those to "services" I guess.
But I can tell you the players are going to like this so much better than having to manually deduct the currency while dragging items from the PHB.
Thanks again!
Packs have never been considered (by me) - apart from purchasing a "3-Day Wilderness Pack" which gets recorded as a "3-Day Wilderness Pack" - do people want the Pack to be listed individually on the Character Sheets? This would be an additional feature for a future release, but how useful would it be for people really (ie is it worth the effort)?Quote:
Originally Posted by ffujita
Stacking of Items (actually the lack thereof) is briefly mentioned in the doco - but I recall being able to drag items from the PC Inventory sheet to the PC Inventory Sheet to add similar items together - I think???
That's a rounding error which occurs in all computers when dealing with certain fractions of a whole - I'm still trying to work out a way for it not to be displayed like that.
I deliberately haven't tackled buying and selling of NPCs (including animals, etc) yet, but its on the list for a future release - the trouble is that animals should be recorded as NPCs not Items, but this is inconsistent across Rulesets, so extra coding has to be done.
Thanks for the feedback - and keep on suggesting new/improved features, etc - not all of them will be done, but I try to incorporate as much of what people want as I can (see previous posts in this thread :) )
Cheers
@ffujita WOTC only has copyrights on specific items and monsters, not things like shortsword or backpack. A good rule of thumb, if its in the hardcover book but not in the online wiki then you have copyright concern, things like beholder, Mind-Flayer and prolly a few of the magic items but not all of them. (I think all the artifacts are copyrighted)
Weight issues are because of variable parsing. IE integer, double, Big integer, strings ect. (not gona get super technical but it can probably be fixed at some point in the future)
Well, I'm pretty sure they don't have a copyright on "Longsword," but I'm hazy about a Longsword that is a Martial Weapon, costs 15 GP, weighs 3 pounds, does 1d8 slashing damage, and is versatile (1d10). That's pretty specific. In any case, for my own use, I've set up shops for all of the PHB Equipment. If I get the go ahead from someone at Smiteworks, I'd be happy to post the module, so everyone else doesn't need to manually change all the gp from the the PHB to GP (since all the adventures grant uppercase GP, but all the PHB prices are lowercase gp). OR, even better, if someone at Smiteworks would do a global search/replace of gp to GP in the PHB, that'd make the whole problem go away. (and of course, sp to SP and cp to CP).
This isnt a bug but I'm just curious about the double combo boxes for magic in a plane
"When set to anything other than "Normal" a second Magic Traits Combobox is displayed, which has the same six values (except "Normal" is replaced by "None"). Thus a Plane can have two different Magic Traits. The Locations Extension will not stop you from setting opposite Magic Traits or the same Magic Trait twice."
so a plane could have any number of conflicting traits in certain areas. why only the two boxes for magic traits. I'm just curious what the purpose is.
Probably because I used the same piece of code as I did for the Alignment Traits (without thinking about it too hard), which can have two aspects - but thinking about it we could probably get away with just one Magic Trait for the Plane and if there is a particular "pocket" that has another Trait we could use a Location - I'd have to add the Magic Trait Dropdown to the Location Record, but that's not too hardQuote:
Originally Posted by bobbylain
ok I was just curious because it seemed out of place and random I was racking my brain trying to think of a reason when I would personally use that feature. but I like it. its a cool idea.
This is my favorite Extension so far. Primarily for the "shops" usage. The rest I'm still trying to get my head around. In other words, would the following be an accurate example of using this extension?
[plane: Material] -> [world: Toril] -> [location: Faerun] -> [location: The North] -> [location: Delimbyr Vale] -> [town: Secomber] -> [building: The Singing Sprite Inn]
Also, I saw mention of being able to set currency rates soon. Is that going to be a separate extension or part of an update to this one?
ThankyouQuote:
Originally Posted by Maleioch
Exactly! Well done!Quote:
Originally Posted by Maleioch
You might want to consider this: [plane: Material] -> [system: Toril Space] -> [world: Toril] - but that's up to you.
You could take things further, if you wanted: [building: The Singing Sprite Inn] -> [location: Basement] -> [Portal: To who knows where?!]
Its pretty big, so its almost certainly going to be a co-Extensions (like the Weather and Organisations Extensions are a co-Extension). I wouldn't hold your breath through - this one isn't even scheduled for Soon(TM) yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maleioch
Cheers
Hello Dulux-Oz,
I ran into another problem with the Locations extension.
I've been creating towns, locations and buildings without issues, linking each to a parent (i.e., Town[Candlekeep] -> Building[Library] -> Location[1st Floor]). However, out of the blue, I can't link places anymore. When I drag a location to a another, it doesn't show in the corresponding tab (like when you have the sheet "locked"). And when I delete a location that is shown in another sheet, I can't put it back.
Coincidentally, it happened some time after I exported my module as backup, I'm not sure if it's related.
Modules are static be default, so that would explain not being able to add new links - the ability to remove links, on the other-hand, shouldn't be able to be done either. Let me take a look and I'll see what I can find.
The problem was on the actual (current?) campaign, not the exported module.
I was adding locations without problems, and then suddenly I couldn't anymore. I thought it could be because of referential integrity, so I checked each and every location by type (town, Building, etc.), as well as their parents.
I found that one location was referencing another by its old name, i.e. it showed "Candlekeep**WIP**" (the old name) instead of "Candlekeep" (the current name). Once I removed the old reference and added it again, everything started to work normally. I hope that was the cause of the problem, since I've already invested a lot of effort on the locations extension (which, by the way, is awesome!).
Thanks for answering!
have you tried to repeat that linking the old name issue on a new campaign to prove the error was caused by linking old names? I wasnt able to repro that issue so I'm just curious if that was the actual cause.
The bug hasn't shown itself again but probably will, since I tend to change the page names A LOT to represent their current status.
I'll post if I get it (or should I say "catch it"?).
That's probably not a good idea in general (not just for the DOEs) - Names are meant to be static (or near static) because we use them as a means of identifying things. Changing the name of something (while possible) is not something that should be encouraged (especially with non-Relational Flat-File Database like the one FG uses, and even more so when someone's tried to make a non-Relational DB Relational) so I'd be representing "status" some other way - but its up to you :)Quote:
Originally Posted by zeracool2k
Cheers
I was under the impression that objects in the database were stored and indexed by an id number string ("id-00023") and that the names were simply strings and not used for any identification.