Story Issues (or maybe not)

[Zacchaeus]

Regarding the new way of laying out stories I've come across a couple of issues which may or may not be intentional.

I tested this out on Dungeon of the Mad Mage, so this refers to an existing module which is not read only.

At any rate, two things. Firstly the drag handles don't work to reposition elements within a page and secondly if I create a new page it creates a single seemingly invisible page and closes the book. The page can be added to but remains essentially invisible. You can close it via right click and when you open the book again the page has been added but when selected it goes back to the invisible page again.

Both of these issues may be intentional on existing books. In books that create or even if I copy pages from DotMM into a new book everything works as expected.

[BobM]

Working with the most recent update Tuesday 8/5, 6:55 pm PDT, D&D 5e legacy, only extension is Close Windows, working with campaign book (build campaign, created from Dragons of Stormwreck Isle), 1) I don't see any way to add a new segment between two other segments. In the attached, if I want to add a new segment of text between any of the others, how do I do it? (I've normally used the "duplicate section" option personally, and per next question I don't see that available to me.) 2) I've discovered I can drag segments up and down, but I don't see any "move up/down 6 (or top/bottom)" or any "duplicate section". What am I missing?
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[Trenloe]

Working with the most recent update Tuesday 8/5, 6:55 pm PDT, D&D 5e legacy, only extension is Close Windows, working with campaign book (build campaign, created from Dragons of Stormwreck Isle), 1) I don't see any way to add a new segment between two other segments. In the attached, if I want to add a new segment of text between any of the others, how do I do it? (I've normally used the "duplicate section" option personally, and per next question I don't see that available to me.) 2) I've discovered I can drag segments up and down, but I don't see any "move up/down 6 (or top/bottom)" or any "duplicate section". What am I missing?
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Unlock the section (page) and scroll to the bottom of the section (page) to add content - see here: https://fantasygroundsunity.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/FGCP/pages/2032304129/Campaign+Builder+Books+-+Previously+Reference+Manual+Builder#Adding-Page-Content Then you can organize the sections within that page using the move up/down buttons (drag/drop).

If you want to add a new page, do that in the left sidebar.

[Moon Wizard]

@Zacchaeus,

Not seeing the issues in the original post. Videos attached. Maybe I'm checking something different?

Thanks,
JPG

[Zacchaeus]

@Zacchaeus,

Not seeing the issues in the original post. Videos attached. Maybe I'm checking something different?

Thanks,
JPG

Yes, it works when you are creating pages in a campaign; but if you open up an existing module (I was using Dungeon of the Mad Mage) and try to add a new page or drag elements within an existing page it doesn't work. I've tried a few other modules too like the 2024 Players Handbook and get the same results. I can post a video tomorrow if you still can't reproduce.

[BobM]

Some individual pages are very long, consisting of many sections (with different frames, and other reasons for the multiple sections). Perhaps they shouldn't be, but before this update it hasn't been a problem.

So, to insert a new section into the middle of a large page apparently requires scrolling to the very bottom of that page using the mouse wheel or scroll bar (because page up/down and ctrl-home/end don't do it), create a new section at the bottom, then somehow move it into place.

Moving it into place is a challenge. You state, "Then you can organize the sections within that page using the move up/down buttons (drag/drop)." But the up/down buttons are gone. They no longer show up (new test campaign, no extensions or themes at all, Module = D&D Dragons of Stormwreck Isle, only non-default options is to set Legacy rules for 5e, book unlocked, individual page(s) unlocked.

The only way I've seen to move a section up or down within a page is to click on the handle button at the right of the top of the section, hold down the mouse button with one finger, and then somehow scroll the mouse wheel and scroll and scroll and scroll until I get to the place where I want to drop that section.

It used to be much easier.

If there are keystrokes that would simplify movement, can those be documented and made readily available? Or can the up/down buttons/arrows be put back into books & story pages, with their ctrl/shift/alt functionalities? Or is there something I'm missing?

Likewise, I've been unable to move a section of a page to a different page. I'm pretty sure I was able to take a section in the middle of page 2, click the up-arrow while holding the ctrl button to move it to the top of that page, then click the up-arrow again to move it to the bottom of the previous page. I don't seem to be able to do that sort of thing now.

[Trenloe]

Some individual pages are very long, consisting of many sections (with different frames, and other reasons for the multiple sections). Perhaps they shouldn't be, but before this update it hasn't been a problem.

So, to insert a new section into the middle of a large page apparently requires scrolling to the very bottom of that page using the mouse wheel or scroll bar (because page up/down and ctrl-home/end don't do it), create a new section at the bottom, then somehow move it into place.
The new complete view is a set of pages all within a single Book subchapter - each of these pages are listed in the left hand sidebar. It is each of these pages being viewed in the Subchapter view that will have the buttons to add new blocks within that section - if the section is unlocked. If the original designer of the Book created a large single page within the subchapter then, yes, you'll need to scroll down to the bottom of the unlocked page to get access to the buttons new block buttons. This would have been the same before the recent update.


You state, "Then you can organize the sections within that page using the move up/down buttons (drag/drop)." But the up/down buttons are gone. They no longer show up (new test campaign, no extensions or themes at all, Module = D&D Dragons of Stormwreck Isle, only non-default options is to set Legacy rules for 5e, book unlocked, individual page(s) unlocked.

The only way I've seen to move a section up or down within a page is to click on the handle button at the right of the top of the section, hold down the mouse button with one finger, and then somehow scroll the mouse wheel and scroll and scroll and scroll until I get to the place where I want to drop that section.
This is what I was referring to "drag/drop" of the up/down buttons. You can also shift-click on these to move to the top of the page, or CTRL+click to move a block to the bottom of the page.

Referring to the screenshot below:

Individual pages within the subchapter (Part 1: Goblin Arrows) - the highlighted page is the one currently being viewed.
Unlock the page to enabled editing - you need to unlock to see the new block buttons and the block re-order controls.
New block buttons.
Re-order controls - drag/drop to reposition, SHIFT-click to move to top, CTRL-click to move to bottom of the page.



https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=65020

[BobM]

> This is what I was referring to "drag/drop" of the up/down buttons. You can also shift-click on these to move to the top of the page, or CTRL+click to move a block to the bottom of the page.

OK. So shift-click to top of page, ctrl-click to bottom of page. Could that be put into a mouse-over? It's not intuitive, especially since it's a significant change from the controls of the previous version.

And it looks like alt-shift-click duplicates the current section? Is that intentional/reliable?

Alternately, right-click on those move buttons, and the only option is Window (Minimize or close). If right-click on the move buttons could add to the context menu: "move up" and "move down" and "insert empty", and the move options had "move 1", "move 2", "move 5", move "10", top and bottom, that would be fantastic.

I can live with this, but it's more cumbersome for editing a campaign than it used to be.

BUT: In an old backup copy of my campaign, I took a (somewhat) long page with multiple sections, did a ctrl-click on a section near the top, and it went to the bottom. Good. I scrolled to bottom and did a shift-click on that section, and it did NOT go to the top -- it moved up about 6 sections worth, ending up 5 sections below the top. I was able to reproduce -- ctrl-click on the top section moves it to the bottom of page, and then shift-click on that (new) bottom section moves it up 6 sections, NOT to the top.

[Moon Wizard]

You can also click the buttons on the left in the Index to move pages up and down by 1; which is exactly the same as how the other buttons worked before. Basically, use buttons on left for up/down by 1; or you can use the drag on the right.

I've added the tooltip for the drag to reorder; or click with modifier key to move to top/bottom. We actually had a tooltip in the prototype, but it got accidentally removed.

Regards,
JPG

[Moon Wizard]

Just pushed a hot fix that should address the remaining issues originally reported; but there are a lot of use cases. Please run a new Check for Updates, and let me know if still having issues.

Regards,
JPG

[BobM]

Updated just now, 10:30 pm PDT 8/9. Given the discussion, I thought I'd break my larger subchapters into smaller chunks. I created a new subchapter, and moved the new empty subchapter below the large one. I then click on the down-arrow of the last page in that larger chapter, to move it into the new subchapter. The page seems to disappear completelyh -- it disappears from the old subchapter and does not appear in the new one. I repeat several times, with similar results.

I close the book reopen the book, and the pages are now in the new subchapter. They moved as expected; it's just the display while moving them that seems to be misleading.

[GrumpyGramp]

@BobM I experienced the same. Quite a shock when you don't know they will reappear again :)

[tjlee]

I think I can help narrow down one of the issues as it manifests in an advanced story (even outside of a book).

Here's how to reproduce:

1 - Create/start a Core RPG ruleset campaign.
2 - Load a module with advanced stories in it (can be in a campaign book or not) that has multiple blocks in it and is not read only. (Loading it is key)
3 - Unlock the story
4 - drag/drop to re-order the blocks. (doesn't appear to work).
5 - Separately, the Shift-Click/Ctrl-Click to move to top/bottom of page works as expected AND a previous drag/drop that was not reflected in the display is now in the correct place.

Additionally, if after having done 4 above, you close the story and re-open it, the re-ordering is reflected in the re-opened window.

If the advanced story is part of a book that has been loaded, the same re-ordering behavior is experienced - the re-ordering is reflected when navigating away and then back to the page after a drag/drop, but is not reflected immediately after the drop.

If you copy one such story, the drag/drop in step 4 works as expected visually.

Furthermore, if you have both views open (Book and advanced story) of the same page, the change in one view is not propagated to the other view - you have to close the advance story view and re-open it or navigate away from the page and back within the book to see the change.

Hope this helps.

[Moon Wizard]

Just pushed a fix for the drag reorder within existing modules not updating issue. Please run a new Check for Updates.

Regards,
JPG

[tjlee]

Just pushed a fix for the drag reorder within existing modules not updating issue. Please run a new Check for Updates.

Regards,
JPG

Fix verified with my test case. Thanks!

[tjlee]

A different observation with regards to image controls in blocks:


Unlock a book page/story with an image block (from a loaded module; I used a page that has a centered image block with no side text).
A "Reset Image Size" icon/control appears next to the block re-ordering icon/control. Clicking on it seems to do nothing.
Resize the image with the up/down controls to the left of the image - the image reduces or increases in size accordingly and the "Reset Image Size" icon/control disappears.

After 3, resizing the image using the up/down controls back to its original size or any other size effectively disables (no longer visible) the "Reset Image Size" icon/control.

Navigating away from the page and back doesn't seem to restore the control.

The control only re-appears if the page/story is reverted of changes.

Did NOT test:

book/page that belongs to the campaign and not loaded from a module
block with left image with text
block with right image with text

I'm not certain whether this is the expected behavior.

[Moon Wizard]

@BobM,

Just pushed hot fix that ensures that new Subchapter records do not appear with collapsed page lists when editing the Story Book index. Please run a new Check for Updates to get the latest.

Regards,
JPG

[Moon Wizard]

@tjlee,

There is most likely a mix of legacy sizing and new sizing going on. The legacy sizing uses a different mechanism; and is disabled once the sizing is removed and uses the new way instead. Thus, why you see some changes in buttons when playing with sizing. Given all that, we are aware of some issues with the current sizing code not working quite how we want after the latest refactoring; so I'll be giving that a pass shortly.

Regards,
JPG