Certain links not usable

[micael]

Hi,

after starting a new campaign with new chars and no extensions, the following links result in no window opening (all from cleric class - from Xanathars drag/dropped on char sheet):

- Domain spell (Twilight) open and then can´t open Cleric Twilight domain spells (FEature on Char after choosed Twilight DOmain from Tashas)
- additional Cleric Spells (Option) and then can´t open Spells: Optional Cleric Spells
- Spellcasting and then can´t open Cleric spells

Seems that a lot from Xanathars is link broken (on charsheet after opening one window the next link)...

Thanks

Micael

[Zacchaeus]

Can you walk me through what you have done?

If you drag in the Cleric from Xanathar you will not get the Additional Cleric spells (option) since that's only available if you drag the Cleric in from Tasha. If you want the Tasha options then drag the Cleric in from Tasha and not Xanathar (The options are attached to the class in Tasha and not the archetype - so it won't matter what archetype you select from Xanathar or anywhere else you won't get those options).

I'm not seeing any issues with dragging in from either Xanathar or Tasha. If I select Twilight domain from either book I can open the Domain spells from the abilities tab and open the spell list and select a spell from the list. If I drag in from Tahsa I can access the Domains spells, and optional spells from the abilities tab.

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[micael]

Yeah, as a DM I also have no problem with Tashas and opening the windows - Perhaps its because I was a player creating his first char in a campaign of a DM who don´t own Tashas - I own them and he has allowed it (in modules) , but as I said, the last window on your screen with the spells are not opened for me.

Thanks
Micael

[Zacchaeus]

I think maybe you'll need to export the character and post it here so we can take a look. I can't test the situation where I own a book which the DM doesn't. I still think the links should work if you created the character and it's you that is clicking the links. Obviously if someone else is clicking the links and don't own the books then they won't be able to open them.

[micael]

I think maybe you'll need to export the character and post it here so we can take a look. I can't test the situation where I own a book which the DM doesn't. I still think the links should work if you created the character and it's you that is clicking the links. Obviously if someone else is clicking the links and don't own the books then they won't be able to open them.

I don´t think, that an export will help - I have exported it to myself and opened the char in my campaign - there I can open all windows - its especially in the environment, where I as a player create a new char from tashas (cleric twilight domain) with drag and drop and the DM is not owning the books (but has allowed me as player to use them). If I as player then try to open the above mentioned windows, nothing happened - its not the DM - its me as a player who want to open the windows.

So you have to simulate a similar environment to see the problem.

Thanks

Micael

[Zacchaeus]

The export will help since we can then see where the links are pointing to. I still think you should be able to open the links even if all the DM has done is allow you to use your own books, If that isn't happening then there may be an issue with that link; so we need to see where the link is pointing.

[micael]

The export will help since we can then see where the links are pointing to. I still think you should be able to open the links even if all the DM has done is allow you to use your own books, If that isn't happening then there may be an issue with that link; so we need to see where the link is pointing.

ok here is an export of Mira, the char with the link problems I talked above- note that the problems are only there if a GM has not the modules owned for race/class
Thanks
Micael

[Zacchaeus]

Thanks. Looking through the code in that character I can't find anything wrong. When I load it into a campaign then it all works as expected. So with all of the books closed when I click on a link to say the Domain or the archetype I get a message up saying the module you are attempting to load isn't open and asks if I want to open it. So I take it that when you are joined to the campaign and try to click on one of these links you aren't getting that message?

[Trenloe]

When I try this by clicking on the link within the Additional Cleric Spells (Option) character feature I get a message in the chat window:


Attempt to open link(s) for modules not installed.
(DD Tashas Cauldron of Everything - Players)

I don't have this module, so this message is correct.

The three entries mentioned in post #1 have links to "DD Tashas Cauldron of Everything - Players" not Xanathar's Guide to Everything.

Do you see a message in chat?

[micael]

When I try this by clicking on the link within the Additional Cleric Spells (Option) character feature I get a message in the chat window:



I don't have this module, so this message is correct.

The three entries mentioned in post #1 have links to "DD Tashas Cauldron of Everything - Players" not Xanathar's Guide to Everything.

Do you see a message in chat?

No, because in my own campaign I own the module - in my DMs campaign he has allowed me to use the modules - but if I click on the windows (as player) nothing happens - no message and no window opens - yeah, Tasha is right, because twilight cleric is in Tashas.

Thanks

Micael

[micael]

there is no message in my DMs Campaign Chat and no windows is opening -that was really strange.

[Zacchaeus]

A couple of thoughts. When did you create the character? I updated Tasha not too long ago (end of January). This update probably moved things around and it may be the cause of what you are seeing. So creating the character again may well fix things.

Also just to be clear; in the character that you posted there are zero links to Xanathar - which was the main subject of your original post. All of the links in the character are to Tasha's players book.

[Trenloe]

No, because in my own campaign I own the module - in my DMs campaign he has allowed me to use the modules - but if I click on the windows (as player) nothing happens - no message and no window opens - yeah, Tasha is right, because twilight cleric is in Tashas.
To clarify - you (a player in the campaign) own Tasha's, but the GM doesn't? The GM has allowed you to access the module that you own? Or, does the GM own Tasha's as well?

[Trenloe]

I've recreated the issue - if the player owns Tasha's but the GM doesn't, then the links won't open and nothing is output to chat - even if the GM has allowed access to the module. However, in the player console, messages will be listed - for example:


[3/22/2024 9:16:17 AM] desktop: Unable to create window with given data source (class_spell_view : class_spell_view.clericoptional@DD Tashas Cauldron of Everything - Players)
[3/22/2024 9:17:13 AM] desktop: Unable to create window with given data source (class_spell_view : class_spell_view.cleric@DD Tashas Cauldron of Everything - Players)

This is probably an issue with the base FG code and accessing modules the GM doesn't own. The devs will need to look into this...

[Moon Wizard]

Hmm, I tried to recreate this issue; but it was working fine for me. I might need more specific steps to recreate.

* Create brand new campaign on machine running test account (only PHB and LMoP owned)
* Connect from a different machine running on full access account (all 5E modules)
* Load PHB and Tasha's on player machine
* Tried opening spell lists from Library->Modules->PHB/Tasha->Class Spell Lists window
* Tried opening spell lists from Character->Classes->Spell Lists window
* In both cases, the windows loaded without error.

Thanks,
JPG

[Trenloe]

Hmm, I tried to recreate this issue; but it was working fine for me. I might need more specific steps to recreate.

* Create brand new campaign on machine running test account (only PHB and LMoP owned)
* Connect from a different machine running on full access account (all 5E modules)
* Load PHB and Tasha's on player machine
* Tried opening spell lists from Library->Modules->PHB/Tasha->Class Spell Lists window
* Tried opening spell lists from Character->Classes->Spell Lists window
* In both cases, the windows loaded without error.

Thanks,
JPG
These steps work for me as well.

However, the issue is still present if the test PC "Mira" (XML in post #7) is used - go to Abilities -> Festures -> Additional Cleric Spells (Option) and click on the embedded link "Spells: Optional Cleric Spells".

Interestingly, if I drag the "Spells: Optional Cleric Spells" link from within the "Additional Cleric Spells (Option)" feature window to a hotkey slot and click on it there, it works - and now the link within "Additional Cleric Spells (Option)" works.

[Moon Wizard]

Hmm, finally got a chance to look at this again. I tried the same steps you noted in the last post, and I was unable to get an error. I got the query to load the module, and then it opened.

* Create brand new campaign on machine running test account (only PHB and LMoP owned)
* Import Mira PC XML from post #7
* Connect from a different machine running on full access account (all 5E modules)
* Choose Mira PC to activate
* On Mira sheet, go to Abilities -> Festures -> Additional Cleric Spells (Option)
* In the "Additional Cleric Spells (Option)", click on the "Spells: Optional Cleric Spells" link.
* Click OK on the dialog to load Tasha's player module.
* The window loads without error.

I'm not sure what I'm doing differently.

Regards,
JPG

EDIT: I even tried blocking players from loading Tashas from loading on the GM side using the Library->Modules->Activation window button on the module to toggle access. Even in that case, the error message just appears in the chat window. ("Unable to load module. (DD Tashas Cauldron of Everything - Players)")

[micael]

Hmm, finally got a chance to look at this again. I tried the same steps you noted in the last post, and I was unable to get an error. I got the query to load the module, and then it opened.

* Create brand new campaign on machine running test account (only PHB and LMoP owned)
* Import Mira PC XML from post #7
* Connect from a different machine running on full access account (all 5E modules)
* Choose Mira PC to activate
* On Mira sheet, go to Abilities -> Festures -> Additional Cleric Spells (Option)
* In the "Additional Cleric Spells (Option)", click on the "Spells: Optional Cleric Spells" link.
* Click OK on the dialog to load Tasha's player module.
* The window loads without error.

I'm not sure what I'm doing differently.

Regards,
JPG

EDIT: I even tried blocking players from loading Tashas from loading on the GM side using the Library->Modules->Activation window button on the module to toggle access. Even in that case, the error message just appears in the chat window. ("Unable to load module. (DD Tashas Cauldron of Everything - Players)")

We tried today again with our DM in our DMs Campaign to delete all extensions and then all we different players in his Campaign create a new character with the drag and drop method, dragging cleric from main class menu (using the tashas version) onto lvl field - then choosing twilight domain- after filling all fields automatically go to abilities tab and under feature open domain spells twilight and the link within this window - nothing opens - we have tried with different players and I asked my DM to sent his log to this forum... perhaps that could help but there is no error message shown anyway.
Thanks
Micael

[micael]

We tried today again with our DM in our DMs Campaign to delete all extensions and then all we different players in his Campaign create a new character with the drag and drop method, dragging cleric from main class menu (using the tashas version) onto lvl field - then choosing twilight domain- after filling all fields automatically go to abilities tab and under feature open domain spells twilight and the link within this window - nothing opens - we have tried with different players and I asked my DM to sent his log to this forum... perhaps that could help but there is no error message shown anyway.
Thanks
Micael

By the way, my DM owns Tashas ... it seems not to be a problem with that... here is his logfile from yesterday...
Thanks
Micael

[Zacchaeus]

By the way, my DM owns Tashas ... it seems not to be a problem with that... here is his logfile from yesterday...
Thanks
Micael

I'm sorry but up until this post the whole thing you were saying is that you owned Tasha but your DM didn't, Now you are saying your DM does own Tasha? Since none of us (well maybe Trenloe found something) can replicate any kind of error - and the character you posted works just fine, and you have changed all of the parameters that you noted in your first post, I think we're going to need very exact and precise steps in order to replicate. You'll also want to replicate in a brand new campaign with no extensions. We're also going to have to know who owns what module and which module you are using to create the character (that is are you using your own module which the DM has given you permission to use or are you using the DMs shared copy - I'm not sure what the effect would be if both parties own the same module and you use your own one instead of the shared one).

[micael]

I think maybe you'll need to export the character and post it here so we can take a look. I can't test the situation where I own a book which the DM doesn't. I still think the links should work if you created the character and it's you that is clicking the links. Obviously if someone else is clicking the links and don't own the books then they won't be able to open them.

I understand, that you are a little frustrated - I am, too - because we had not the possibility to check this in the last month deeply (my DM is preparing a new campaign), I had mostly check this myself - and in all circumstances (as you already also found out), there is no problem - so I waited for him to start his campaign.

And yesterday we had again the chance - so please forget, what I had said in the first post - yesterday we were able to dive more deeply inside:

1. The DM owns Tashas and had give it free to us players ( he was last time wrongly of the opinion, that he not owns it). The players and me also owns Tashas
2. We deleted again with our DM in our DMs Campaign all extensions and then all we different players in his Campaign created a new twilight cleric character with the drag and drop method,
3. dragging cleric from main class menu (using the tashas version) onto lvl field - choosing skills then
4. then choosing twilight domain-
5. after FGU has filled all fields automatically we had gone to abilities tab
6. and under feature open domain spells twilight and the link within this window - a click on the link opens nothing- in fact even putting a new link inside had the same result
7. we have tried with different players
8. no error message shown anyway.
9. in my last message I put the logfile here into the forum from yesterday
10. we will try all of this with a totally new campaign somewhere in the future, but my DM of yourse want to use all of his material to date, so what will help him that?
Thanks
Micael

[Zacchaeus]

I think testing in a new campaign will help enormously in tracking this issue, because from what you have said there should be no issue; and as I say the character xml that you posted works fine when I import into one of my test campaigns.

[micael]

I think testing in a new campaign will help enormously in tracking this issue, because from what you have said there should be no issue; and as I say the character xml that you posted works fine when I import into one of my test campaigns.

tested in a totally new campaign today - same issue - only PHB and tashas loaded as DM and Player - here is a screenshot- no error messages no opening of a window.

Thanks

Micael

[Zacchaeus]

Alright I'm finally able to reproduce this locally based on the new information that the DM owns Tasha as well as the player. And it's not confined to the Twilight Cleric domain but to any spell list attached to any class. There has to be something weird in the way that Tasha is put together. This one was originally developed in par5e but has now been transferred to a campaign. Everything works fine if you create the character on a local machine where you own the book. But when you create the character when joined to a game you get the problem.

The error in the console is [4/7/2024 7:21:33 PM] desktop: Unable to create window with given data source (class_spell_view : class_spell_view.wizard@DD Tashas Cauldron of Everything - Players) which I think Trenloe reported above.

So the steps that I took to reproduce was share only the PHB and Tasha players then join my own game. Created a new character and dragged in any spellcasting class with a spell list (a Cleric is a good example, and it doesn't matter if the PHB or Tasha's Cleric is selected) and select any of the domains from Tasha (Order, Peace, or Twilight). Clicking on the Domain Spells in the abilities tab opens the ability but nothing happens if you then click on the spells list link. But the error does get reported in the console. The same problem exists if the character is created using the character wizard - so it isn't just drag and drop.

[Moon Wizard]

Thanks for the additional info to track down, and the help all around. It looks like it only happens if both the GM and the player own Tasha; and works fine if player owns, but GM does not.

JPG

[Moon Wizard]

A fix for this issue was pushed with the update today. Please run a new Check for Updates, and try again.

Regards,
JPG

[Zacchaeus]

Yep, all fixed. Jolly good.

[micael]

Hi to all,

this bug is back again- if we try to get on our characters the Additional Ranger Spells (option) in features (abilities charactersheet tab) that comes from Xanathars guide, the link will not react and now windows is opening: see addendum- that is the same for DMS and players. The xanathars is free for all- if going directly to players section in Xanathars we can open the link, but not on charsheet. We have all the newest updates version 4.5.9 from 3.7.24
Thanks
Micael

[claedawg]

One of my players was having this issue last night with a spell from Xanathar's. I didn't actually look, but I think it may be that the spells are not in the player version of Xanathar's, only the DM version.

[Zacchaeus]

Hi to all,

this bug is back again- if we try to get on our characters the Additional Ranger Spells (option) in features (abilities charactersheet tab) that comes from Xanathars guide, the link will not react and now windows is opening: see addendum- that is the same for DMS and players. The xanathars is free for all- if going directly to players section in Xanathars we can open the link, but not on charsheet. We have all the newest updates version 4.5.9 from 3.7.24
Thanks
Micael

Additional Ranger Spells (Optional) are not in Xanathar's but in Tasha's. Does the player have Tasha's open and did they create the character using drag and drop?

[Zacchaeus]

One of my players was having this issue last night with a spell from Xanathar's. I didn't actually look, but I think it may be that the spells are not in the player version of Xanathar's, only the DM version.

All of the new spells that appear in Xanathar are in both the DM and players module. Make sure that you have only shared the players version of the module and that only that module was used to create the character. If the DM version was used to create the character then the player won't be able to use the spell.

[micael]

Additional Ranger Spells (Optional) are not in Xanathar's but in Tasha's. Does the player have Tasha's open and did they create the character using drag and drop?

Yes, and Yes - you are right its the Tashas- both avialable and free to use for players and DM version.
I drag and dropped the link of the Tashas Rangers optional spells again to the not functional link above. Thereafter the window opnes with the link but only a windowframe without the spells inside will be shown. I think its the same bug as already fixed in the middle of the thread- something changed the code back.

Thanks
Micael

[Zacchaeus]

I'm unable to reproduce this.

What I did was share the PHB and Tasha players and then join my own game. I then dragged in two levels of Ranger into a new character. I go to the abilities tab and click on Additional Ranger Spells (Optional) and then click on the Additional Ranger Spells link. This opens the relevant spell list.

So what am I doing differently from what you did? And can you replicate the problem following the same steps I took above?

[micael]

I'm unable to reproduce this.

What I did was share the PHB and Tasha players and then join my own game. I then dragged in two levels of Ranger into a new character. I go to the abilities tab and click on Additional Ranger Spells (Optional) and then click on the Additional Ranger Spells link. This opens the relevant spell list.

So what am I doing differently from what you did? And can you replicate the problem following the same steps I took above?

Our characters are level 5 - we dragged the ranger 5 times from the own class window, after creating it similar then you have done (main char sheet next to class & level use manifying glass to open own class and then dragging that class window back to own character sheet class/level line).
We used on lvl3 the subclass of ranger: the gloom walker (Xanathars) and drakewarden (Fizbans treasury of dragons).

Thanks
Micael

[micael]

By the way it seemd, that my character has lost a lot of links- the specialisation link for the ranger class is only opening a "new class" window"- same as the own class window after opening the own class with the magnifying glass- how can I repair these links?
Thanks

Micael

[micael]

I was able to repair my bugged links in dragging the special windows again on my character - open it and dragging the correct link to the areas on the char.
Don´t understand why they lost the links at all- at the start most of the books were not free to the players because of several updates.
But making them aloowed to the players that has not repaired the lost links.

Thanks

Micael

[Zacchaeus]

I'm still unable to replicate this.

So just to be clear. I started a new character as a player with the PHB, Tasha's Players and Xanathar Players open. I dragged the ranger class from the Tasha's link in the class list 5 times, selecting the Gloom Stalker archetype at level three. I then go to the abilities tab and open spellcasting and additional spells and then click on the links inside of those to open the spell lists.

I also tried creating a Ranger not using Tasha's and then dragged in the additional ranger spells ability from the Tasha Ranger abilities list; and again this worked.

So all of this I did as a player and only using the players versions of the books in question.

Are you able to replicate this issue doing exactly what I did; it's possible that because I am joining my own game rather than having a player connected normally that I'm not seeing the issue.

[Zacchaeus]

I was able to repair my bugged links in dragging the special windows again on my character - open it and dragging the correct link to the areas on the char.
Don´t understand why they lost the links at all- at the start most of the books were not free to the players because of several updates.
But making them aloowed to the players that has not repaired the lost links.

Thanks

Micael

My understanding was that you were creating these characters from scratch today. If the characters have been created a while ago (that is before the linking was fixed) then the links will probably not work since they were created before the patch. And if they were created a long while ago probably before even Tasha's was updated to fall in line with the new way of creating spell lists.

[micael]

No, they were older chars we used 6 month ago the last time- I created them from scratch now and had also no problem similar as you. It seems, that the link loss happened through several updates since january 2024.
So I drag and dropped the links one after another to the char and it is now usable again. The main problem seems to be that the links were lost trough several updates.

Thanks

Micael

[LordEntrails]

How about exporting the characters and uploading them here? That way others can look at the xml and see if we can reproduce and identify the issue.

[claedawg]

All of the new spells that appear in Xanathar are in both the DM and players module. Make sure that you have only shared the players version of the module and that only that module was used to create the character. If the DM version was used to create the character then the player won't be able to use the spell.

I do use MNM UI module so I can choose which modules automatically load for players and I also use the extension that does not allow the players access to any books on their side, so maybe one or both extensions were messing with something (or the player did not actually have Xanathar's open, as I left it optional). As DM it did allow me to open the spell link from the players CS and I just clicked the share button and he had access. SInce it let me share then, and we were in the middle of combat, I didn't look any further and forgot about it until I saw this thread. Thing about Xan's Player mod not having the spells was just what I had figured the issue was off the top of my head at the time the issue was happening.

I have noticed in the past that some of the mods I have, with a separate DM and Player version, the player version does not have somethings in it that would be useful (but not really necessary) that are only in the DM version. Is it possible that the mods from Steam, DMsGuild, DrivethruRPG and FG store have different versions?

Oh, that has me thinking, I may need to go back to DTRPG and DMG to make sure I don't need some updates on any of my mods, it has been a few months. I've been trying to get any of the WotC stuff I have through Steam repurchased through FG store (not sure why, I just keep thinking of the issue I had with GameStop a decade or so ago, when they changed their platform and I lost everything I had ever bought there (I was really into NWN2 then and had to do a new install on a new computer to find out GameStop had messed me over, lol.) Fortunately, GOG had NWN2 still available for purchase, because GameStop had stopped selling it and Steam did not have it at the time (Steam may still not have it even though it has NWN1, lol). But I digress...

[Zacchaeus]

Any official Smiteworks modules from any source are exactly the same since no matter where you buy the module the file always gets downloaded from Smiteworks.

Players modules usually have everything that a player would need to create characters, classes, backgrounds, races, spells, and equipment. The DM module will only have DM related material; usually this will be NPCs, magic items, optional DM rules, and information that players wouldn't know about. However in some parts of some modules there's stuff that might be a bit ambiguous as to whether it's DM or player or both. In such cases I always err on the side that it's DM only material because the DM always has the option to share things but can't unshare bits of a module that is shared with players.

Finally before reporting possible bugs or issues; if you use extensions then make sure that you can replicate the issue in a new campaign without extensions, so that you can be sure the issue isn't caused by an extension.