Official Shadow of the Demon Lord Bug Report Thread

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Use this thread to post any ruleset specific issues to track and get resolved. When reporting, please provide steps in reproducing the issue and any images if possible.

As a brand new ruleset there will be some bugs/suggestions. We will continue working on this product to make it as enjoyable to use as possible.

Added a video on basic character creation here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltiUJlME2go
Some more videos to follow at a later date.

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Bugs Reported / Fixed

Trying to level up to L3 without choosing an Expert Path can cause a console error.
Level 6 fighter healing rate needs to adjust automatically. added in build 2.71
Gear info on Paths is not showing correct data. fixed in build 2.71
Nowhere for Spell Traditions on the character. sheet we were storing this in Notes. It has its own field in build 2.71
CoreRPG new Dice are bigger and overlap the Boon Bane Panels fixed in build 2.73
Added default Languages and Currencies in System Options added in build 2.73
Fonts did not load correctly fixed in build 2.74
Updated Tooltips in Combat Tracker updated in build 2.74

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Reserved

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Question posted on Discord:
How do we handle it when characters wear armor that they are not strong enough for?

From the rulebook:
Armor and Clothing
Armor includes any clothing designed to protect a wearer from harm and might be made from leather, mail, overlapping scales, or heavy plates. Wearing armor affects your Defense and what your character can do. See Clothing for additional information.
• Type: Armor is clothing, light armor, medium armor, or heavy armor. You make Strength challenge rolls with 1 bane to swim while you wear medium armor. You take a -2 penalty to Speed and you make Strength challenge rolls with 2 banes to swim while you wear heavy armor.
• Requirement: If you wear armor and do not meet or exceed its requirements listed in the table, you make all Strength and Agility rolls with 1 bane. In addition, you take a –2 penalty to Speed. The effects of not meeting the armor’s requirements are cumulative with the other effects of wearing armor.
• Defense: Replace your Defense with the listed number while wearing clothing or armor.

Answer
At this stage use ctrl+scroll over the small modifier box on Speed to set it at -2
Players will need to remember to add +1 bane to strength and agility rolls

At some stage we hope to add some support for effects and we may be able to handle the banes in a more automated fashion at that time.

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Question posted on Discord:
Where do we record Spell Traditions?

Answer
Apologies - this didnt make it into 2.70 but will be on the Character tab in 2.71

[slayeneq]

When the goblin swings at Jose( a character) , it calculates whether the goblin hit or not.. But when Jose swings at the goblin.. shows the total, but doesn't state whether it hit or missed.5475754758

I've tried targeting and double clicking the dice, I've tried dragging the dice over the icons on the battlemap. Same Result.. NPC can hit the character, but the character can't get a Hit or Miss result for the NPC.

This is for version 2.70 of the store bought version.

Figured it out. I needed to set the opposing / defensive stats. The wiki had the answer.

[damned]

Thanks for the update - good sleuthing!
Weapons that you add via Gear tab should have teh correct stats in them already.
Did this not work for you?

[damned]

Did you maybe carry this character over from the Forge ruleset?
If so I would recommend that you recreate it as there are quite a few things that have changed over the development of the ruleset.

[slayeneq]

That particular stat did not populate for me. I had to add it manually. (As per your post below, I was using the forge and the store version of SOTDL at the same time? ) I had the forge version still enabled. I've since turned it off. Maybe that will make a difference in the future.

I bought the SOTDL version and made a test character to see how everything was populating and to see the format of the NPC's (since I'd had a question about how they were entered) while I was there I thought I'd test the combat stuff and that's when I ran into the non targeting issue.

[damned]

I think we might have to advise people to disable their Forge subscription as there could be conflicts between the two.
Can you confirm whether new weapons being added to the character sheets are getting their stats set?

Is it possible you have also created some library of equipment for your Forge based game?

[slayeneq]

I just created a new character with forge stuff disabled. The weapons when added did populate the defense / opposed trait field. I had only the official modules enabled. (I disabled the prior forge based modules I'd created)
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Thanks for your help bug reporting.

[damned]

Unfortunately I pushed a hotfix for the dice and the fonts did not load. Hopefully we will get a new hotfix pushed Thursday morning.

[Moon Wizard]

I just pushed another build for you just now.

Regards,
JPG

[TrentLane]

When creating a new Character adding the Ancestry it doesn't add the starting talents in the talent section of the Sheet. Adding them after the fact from the ancestry works fine. Not sure if this is a bug or expected.
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Edit: No extension or Forge items active and it's the newest build

[Gwydion]

For now you need to drag them on. See this thread for the in-process wiki.

https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forums/showthread.php?75537-Shadow-of-the-Demon-Lord-Wiki-Guide

[TrentLane]

For now you need to drag them on. See this thread for the in-process wiki.

https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forums/showthread.php?75537-Shadow-of-the-Demon-Lord-Wiki-Guide

Thank you, haven't looked at that first.

[damned]

We have added a few more pages to the PDF/Wiki document.

[hawkwind]

I am building some NPC's and adding paths. When adding an expert path i can drag and drop new talents onto level 3 but not level 6 and 9 and you don't seem to be able to drag talents on to NPC sheets

[madman]

Hello,
This item points to a NPC I can not find, in fact there are no entries under vehicles.

Madman

[damned]

I am building some NPC's and adding paths. When adding an expert path i can drag and drop new talents onto level 3 but not level 6 and 9 and you don't seem to be able to drag talents on to NPC sheets

Hi hawkwind can you tell me which Paths you were trying this on?
Were the Talents that couldnt be added in the second column?
Can you share an Image?

[damned]

Hello,
This item points to a NPC I can not find, in fact there are no entries under vehicles.

Madman

Hi Madman - Spoofer is looking into this one.

[damned]

Added a video on basic character creation here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltiUJlME2go
Some more videos to follow at a later date.

[hawkwind]

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i can drag talent onto level 3 , cant drag and drop a talent onto the over pages for level 6 and 9 . this occurs with novice and master paths as well, you can drag on to the first page but none of the other pages for the various level advances

[spoofer]

Madman, thanks for reporting. I fixed vehicles. It will get sorted out with the next update.

[damned]

Ok Ive found the issue Hawkwind
It is queued in the next update

[hawkwind]

One other thing, more a question rather than a bug. Is there a reason the spell button on the right hand side is listed under Campaign rather then Character?

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One other thing, more a question rather than a bug. Is there a reason the spell button on the right hand side is listed under Campaign rather then Character?

Generally the Character section can be closed except at CharGen and Level Up.
The Campaign section is also used by GM and can be rferenced during play/adventure.

Something like that.

[Moon Wizard]

I think @hawkwind is asking, because it's usually under Character in the other rulesets.

JPG

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Items and Spells are used by GMs and Players and Items is under Campaign.
All the other entries in Character are almost exclusively player data.

Spells was under Character initially but the playest groups and GMs thought Campaign was more appropriate.

[hawkwind]

any plans to have active effects like ATK:1d6 for example?

[damned]

At this stage I have not learnt how to code effects.
You can add 1 boon to your weapon in the Attacks list it will apply to any Attack rolls (and not damage) and will stack with other boons/banes you add to the boons widget.

[spoofer]

One other thing, more a question rather than a bug. Is there a reason the spell button on the right hand side is listed under Campaign rather then Character?

After a heated argument, we decided to roll a die. But then we were mesmerized by the cool new dice, and completely forgot about the result. In the end, it was the will of the New God that spells be under Character.

(This will be changed with the next update.)

[Kenwoolverton]

Hi, I've noticed the 14-15 result on the Madness table is missing. And on the Interesting Thing Table the nested tables aren't linked to the actual sub-tables.
Thanks for creating this, looking forward to actually playing soon.

[damned]

Thanks Kenwoolverton we will get those fixed in the Tuesday update.

[Skellan]

I recently bought this ruleset and I must say you have done a fabulous job. Considering it is so new it is all really tight - great work.
One thing though, I have noticed that the talents box gets cut off. Well, you can scroll the whole sheet but it feels a bit busy. Might it be possible for the spells to get their own tab or something? At higher levels you get quite a few spells and talents.
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Hi Skellan,

Thanks for the feedback.
That should be fixed in Tuesdays update.

Whether to move it to its own tab or not Im undecided.
Its nice to have everything you use for combat on the one tab.

Im hoping to have afflictions working also for this update.

[Skellan]

Fair enough, thank you

I also noticed that there is an option in the rules to take a second expert path at 7th level but it doesn't like expert paths being dropped in the master slot. Do we need to do this manually?

To be fair, if this is the kind of thing I am finding, you have done a good job.

[damned]

yes that is something that we havent managed to get our heads around.

You should be able to drag an Expert path into the Master slot but then it breaks down...

it is complicated by the fact that the Expert paths have 3 levels and Master paths have 2 levels.
When choosing a second Expert Path you get Level 3 benefits at Level 7 and Level 6 benefits at level 10 but at level 9 you get to choose from either your first or second expert path and I just cannot fathom a way to code that.

[Skellan]

No worries, it isn' hard to just do it manually. I was just wondering if I was missing something. There are probably better things to spend your time on.

[damned]

Hi guys,
After todays update you might get Character Sheet errors on making attacks. Please do one of the following:
open your Armor, unlock it and add a Min STR - use 0 if not listed in the rules
delete your Armor and add it back in from Equipment
Thanks!

[spoofer]

The following posts describe some recent changes to the ruleset. These changes impact NPC records, item (armor) records, and combat mechanics. I will explain each one in detail.

[spoofer]

The contents of the traits tab and the attacks tab for the NPC record have been changed from unformatted text to formatted text. If you have created your own NPC records, then you need to update those manually. The following image shows how. First, unlock the record. Second, copy and paste the text from the upper slot to the lower slot. Third, and formatting such as bold font as you desire. Eventually, the upper slot will be removed. Please make any changes before then.

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Armor now includes a MIN STR requirement. If a character does not meet the minimum requirement, then a penalty is automatically imposed on melee and ranged attack rolls.

This value needs to be set on existing PC character sheets. Either edit the item record, or delete and re-add the armor to the PC. The default value of zero is not displayed (shows as empty).

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Effects have been added to the ruleset as records in the Core Rulebook Player. The following image shows adding an effect to a PC sheet. The effects automatically impose boons / banes on the various attack and challenge rolls. There is a series of boxes to the right of an effect entry. These boxes indicate the number of boons / banes imposed on each type of roll.

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Effects can also be added from the Combat Tracker. This is where you apply effects to NPC actors.

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De is used to set Defense to a specific value. AtB is used to grant a bonus to attackers.

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[spoofer]

The above examples use afflictions. The effects system can also be used to handle other aspects of the game, such as bonuses from spells or penalties from the environment. You can add your own directly to the actors as needed. Here is what Blessing would look like. Finally, note that the effects have an on switch. This is useful for dealing with bonuses from cover that apply to some attackers but not others.

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[hawkwind]

Effects have been added to the ruleset as records in the Core Rulebook Player. The following image shows adding an effect to a PC sheet. The effects automatically impose boons / banes on the various attack and challenge rolls. There is a series of boxes to the right of an effect entry. These boxes indicate the number of boons / banes imposed on each type of roll.

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Effects can also be added from the Combat Tracker. This is where you apply effects to NPC actors.

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invalid attachement?

[spoofer]

I tried to fix them. They work and then they break. :(

I will try adding them here.

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[spoofer]

Ok, I have figured out that when I upload, there is a sequence of mouse clicks that works and another one that messes up the files. If I don't mess them up then they work.

[Skellan]

Is the description for Close Wounds right? It doesn't seem to make sense?

[damned]

No you are right it is incorrect.
The Triggered text is appearing in the Description.
We will get that fixed asap.
There are other affected spells to it looks like.

[spoofer]

Thank you for pointing this out. I was not aware of this specific pattern and did not code for it. As damned said, we will fix asap.

[Skellan]

I think the link to the reference manual may be broken for Dead by Dawn

[damned]

I think the link to the reference manual may be broken for Dead by Dawn

Can you post a screenshot of what you are seeing?

[Skellan]

Sure. When I click on Reference Manual it just opens an empty window. It is probably just a broken link somewhere :)

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[spoofer]

Thank you for reporting. I have fixed the reference manual, and a few other things, including NPCs. The new version may take a bit of time. We need to work a few bugs out of the revised NPC attack tab before new versions of stuff with NPC data can be released.

[Skellan]

Great! Thanks for your hard work

[Arcanus888]

Hi, first I want to say thanks for the hard work. For how new the system is it's working great.
I'm unsure if this best place to ask but I noticed there is a space for initiative in the combat tracker but it doesn't allow me to input a number.
SOTDL doesn't really roll for initiative but there is the option to roll a d6 to resolve conflicts.
With my players coming from 5E they're used to acting individually and the option to give them a turn order would be much appreciated.

[spoofer]

Initiative is set as either FAST or SLOW From the main tab of the PC Sheet for PCs, and from the Attack tab inside the Combat Tracker for NPCs. Doing so fills in that space. Turns are completed one actor at a time, individually, as in D&D.

In general, we do not implement options, as we need to need to give priority to the core rules first (which are still yet to be completely implemented). However, I will make sure that Damned is aware of your request. Meanwhile, initiative ties are broken by Agility --- higher Agility goes first.

[Arcanus888]

Initiative is set as either FAST or SLOW From the main tab of the PC Sheet for PCs, and from the Attack tab inside the Combat Tracker for NPCs. Doing so fills in that space. Turns are completed one actor at a time, individually, as in D&D.

In general, we do not implement options, as we need to need to give priority to the core rules first (which are still yet to be completely implemented). However, I will make sure that Damned is aware of your request. Meanwhile, initiative ties are broken by Agility --- higher Agility goes first.

Ah, thank you. This implementation of SOTDL's initiative is actually pretty good. I'll simply allow players to act in the order they appear in the combat tracker.

[Skellan]

I noticed the effects seem to be duplicating the attack/challenge modifiers. I am not sure if this is a known issue?

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I noticed the effects seem to be duplicating the attack/challenge modifiers. I am not sure if this is a known issue?

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Thanks. I was away for a few days and am working on this issue now.

[Synmad]

Hello, and thank you for the ruleset! I'm having issues with effects. I'm new to Fantasy Grounds, so apologies in advance if this is because of my inexperience. As you can see, the applied effects are not affecting the fomor's stats. 5596655965

[Locotomo]

Since the update today I get following error: 55967

[Locotomo]

There is also an empty table : 55968

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Since the update today I get following error:

and

There is also an empty table : 55968

Hi Locotomo I apologise the first one is me - I deprecated two files but forgot to remove them from the master list when I pushed the update. They wont affect the game. The empty table has been passed on to the guys doing the content updates. Thanks for the report.

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Hello, and thank you for the ruleset! I'm having issues with effects. I'm new to Fantasy Grounds, so apologies in advance if this is because of my inexperience. As you can see, the applied effects are not affecting the fomor's stats. 5596655965

Welcome Synmad

Fantasy Grounds effects do not normally adjust the stats that they effect. What happens is that any rolls using or targeting those stats also check the Effects list and will apply those values as well. Please note we found after the last attacks update that Attack Effects were kind of being applied twice, once if Strength/Agility was effected and once more if Attacks were effected. We have thus today removed Attacks from the Effects values - they are still mentioned in the descriptions and all Effects/Afflictions etc that we found so far that effect Attacks also effect Strength/Agility so we think this will address the issue.

Please note that about the same time you posted your message an update went live - so update again to grab that new build. But note that it contains an Error (see message above) that should not effect game play once loaded.

[spoofer]

There is also an empty table : 55968

Thank you for reporting. I reparsed all of the Shadow paths to remove the broken links.

[Skellan]

The damage from NPCs in modules seems to have disappeared. This seems to be affecting all the modules I have looked at, One Perfect Moment, The Slaver's Lash, The Man who Fell to Urth etc. Monsters & Characters from the core rules are ok.

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The damage from NPCs in modules seems to have disappeared. This seems to be affecting all the modules I have looked at, One Perfect Moment, The Slaver's Lash, The Man who Fell to Urth etc. Monsters & Characters from the core rules are ok.

Yikes thanks for reporting Skellan
We are working on that right away.
Which adventures are you running right now?

[Skellan]

No worries. I am running One perfect moment at the moment but I have the pdf too, so no rush for me.

[damned]

Gwydion and I have chained poor old spoofer to his desk and anytime he looks like slacking off one of us pokes him with a very big stick.

This was due to the changes in how we make spell and weapon attacks and challenge rolls being more aligned.

[spoofer]

We are in the middle of a major overhaul of the NPC attack tab. I updated the core books and supplements first. I am working on the adventures, but as there are a lot of them, it is going to take some time. Give me a week to get through everything. If you an urgent request, please post it.

[Skellan]

Stuff like this happening just means you are working to improve the ruleset. No stress, it is cool.

[damned]

We pushed updates to 10 products last night and James has pushed them live.

[Skellan]

Wow, you really do have him chained to a desk ��

Good job ��

[damned]

Watching him work made me tired and I may dozed off. He must have snuck in and posted while I was cat napping.

[spoofer]

I was able to create some tools to automate much of the task. I have updated the NPCs for the adventures.

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We have queued up updates for 13 more products. They wont hit till sometime tomorrow.

[FSHSchmo]

In 'The Apple of Her Eye", in several of the encounters the npcs are missing their attacks - The Inn, The Lady's Claim (changelings), The Lady's Heralds, Yosef.

[spoofer]

Issue resolved.

[malynym]

Blizzard mage from occult philosophy is missing it's level 6 and level 9 non-magic talents

[damned]

Hi malynym it looks liek there may be a discrepancy in our source material.
Still investigating.

[malynym]

The CTS Priest's level one magic talent pulls up a blank template:
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[damned]

Thanks malynym which book is that one from?