Issue with the "unconscious" effect

[Temmpest]

Noticed this the other day when I was DMing a session: every time a PC or NPC with the "unconscious" effect took damage, the effect was removed, even when I set it up for a specific number of rounds. Has anyone else experienced this? After the session I ran a test by not loading any extensions and I was still having this issue. (5e). Using latest version (4.1.17)

[The Decepticon]

Noticed this the other day when I was DMing a session: every time a PC or NPC with the "unconscious" effect took damage, the effect was removed, even when I set it up for a specific number of rounds. Has anyone else experienced this? After the session I ran a test by not loading any extensions and I was still having this issue. (5e). Using latest version (4.1.17)

Ran a session last Thursday, Saturday and just did a quick test and I am not seeing this. 5e as well.

[Temmpest]

I just checked and I'm still having the issue. Is anyone else seeing this? If not, it's obviously some issue with my system.

[Zacchaeus]

Have you made sure you are testing in a new campaign without extensions?

[Temmpest]

I just did that. I started a new campaign. I only loaded DMG, PHB and MM. Still having the same issue. Am I really the only one with this problem?

[Zacchaeus]

I can’t test right now but I’ll try to remember and test tomorrow. I don’t think I’ve ever had the situation where an unconscious creature took damage so not something that’s ever come up.

[Zacchaeus]

So I've had a chance to look at this and I can't reproduce. As you can see from the graphic Bob got hit and fell unconscious and then got hit several more times and he still has the unconscious effect. Are there other steps I should be taking? All I did was kept rolling damage against Bob.

[Temmpest]

I captured video of what I'm talking about. You can see that whenever damage is applied the unconscious effect disappears.


https://1drv.ms/v/s!AsFyBU7nsrBQ3leLISc-KZ8OmXgF?e=GlhBJi

If no one else is having this issue, obviously I am doing something wrong.

[welkin42]

It may be because in most cases you aren't unconcious in 5e unless you're at 0 hit points, I think a lot of other things that cause a creature to become unconcious (like the sleep spell) they are woken up when taking damage.

[Zacchaeus]

Ah, ok. So not when the player has zero hit points then. That could be expected behaviour. I can't think of anything that would apply the unconscious effect and doesn't remove the effect if the player takes damage. But I'll bring it to the attention of the devs just in case it shouldn't automatically be removed.

[Temmpest]

Welkin42, I think you're right. We were using a critical hit table and the NPC was rendered unconscious. I guess the ruleset treats the unconscious effect as if it was from the sleep spell, which would cause the effect to disappear when damage is taken. Thank you!

[Moon Wizard]

Looking at the specific code; it looks like it's actually tying it to the damage state directly.

For the next ruleset update, I'll adjust it, so that it only applies when crossing between dying/dead and not dying/dead actor wound state.

It won't be perfect, because I think we would need to create "sub-states" for unconscious to get it to work in all scenarios (unconscious due to wounds, unconscious due to sleep, unconscious due to spell/ability effect), but that would probably create complications in other scenarios (checking for unconscious state, immunity to conditions, etc.)

Regards,
JPG

[Temmpest]

Actually, I think it's fine as it is. I think it makes sense that damage to an unconscious person might wake them up. I would hate to cause issues when no one else had this problem. And it was just to one specific incident that I can deal with. Thank you for all the help, hope I didn't waste too much time.