Bug: (I assume) The targeting arrow shows on client when its invisible target

[SilentRuin]

[Operator Error: I stand corrected - I was seeing the AOE and targeting on an invisible token that while I did not have logged in as the player I had actually owned it last (meaning I still owned it) and that was why the arrows and CT entry were showing up. I retract my complaint as it was operator error as I had not realized the invisible characters while not logged in were still marked as me owning them as I had been the last one to log them in. My bad. ]

Bug: (I assume) The targeting arrow shows on client when its invisible target. I understand why the host sees this targeting arrow and CT target info - but I do not understand why the client sees these things. They should not.

[LordEntrails]

Hidden per the eyeball icon, or invisible per the effect/condition? I would expect the targeting arrow to be visible in the secondo instance, but maybe no in the first.

[SilentRuin]

Hidden per the eyeball icon, or invisible per the effect/condition? I would expect the targeting arrow to be visible in the secondo instance, but maybe no in the first.

If I - as host which is only way it should be able to be done - have a player target and invisible token PC/NPC then it should not be announced to the client as they don't know it got targeted by their area effect whatever thing.

[Zacchaeus]

How is the player able to target an invisible token? And even if it is invisible it would still get caught in an AoE spell.

[LordEntrails]

Again, invisible or hidden? Different things in FG.And I use them differently as a GM/DM. And I think they are going to have different expected behaviors. But will probably need Moon or Doug to clarify.

My understanding of most editions of D&D rules is that invisible creatures can still be targeted by others. Some editions say the attacker has to make a roll (perception etc) to know which square to target, other that they can know (DM discretion) what square to target, but are penalized (-4 or disadvantage) on their rolls. So for the way we play, we want to be able to target invisible creatures (either from their token or the CT).

[Moon Wizard]

I'm not sure what you're looking for. Regardless of how you are using the system, if the token is on the map, then the player can target via the map; and if the NPC is visible on the CT, then the player can target via the CT.

Regards,
JPG

[Lo Zeno]

How is the player able to target an invisible token? And even if it is invisible it would still get caught in an AoE spell.

I think what SilentRuin means is that he, as the GM, targets the invisible enemy for the player from the combat tracker.

[Moon Wizard]

I'm still not understanding the issue.

I did the following test:
* Started up 2 instances of FG
* Added a PC and NPC
* Made sure the NPC as not visible in the CT
* Added the tokens to a map
* Shared the map to the player
* Verified the player could not see NPC token on the map
* As a GM, I targeted NPC as PC.
* Verified that the player did not see any targeting arrow nor NPC on the map.

If you are talking about hiding the NPC from the targeting list on the CT, that is not something that has been asked before and not sure that's a change that makes sense.

If you are trying to apply an attack or damage roll to a truly invisible target, and the player shouldn't see (i.e. attempting to fireball invisible target); the way I do it is to have the player roll attack/damage; and then drag from chat window onto the invisible NPC. Since the CT entry is invisible, the players should not see the results nor even know whether they even got the target.

Regards,
JPG

[SilentRuin]

I'm still not understanding the issue.

I did the following test:
* Started up 2 instances of FG
* Added a PC and NPC
* Made sure the NPC as not visible in the CT
* Added the tokens to a map
* Shared the map to the player
* Verified the player could not see NPC token on the map
* As a GM, I targeted NPC as PC.
* Verified that the player did not see any targeting arrow nor NPC on the map.

If you are talking about hiding the NPC from the targeting list on the CT, that is not something that has been asked before and not sure that's a change that makes sense.

If you are trying to apply an attack or damage roll to a truly invisible target, and the player shouldn't see (i.e. attempting to fireball invisible target); the way I do it is to have the player roll attack/damage; and then drag from chat window onto the invisible NPC. Since the CT entry is invisible, the players should not see the results nor even know whether they even got the target.

Regards,
JPG

I was seeing the AOE and targeting on an invisible token that while I did not have logged in as the player I had actually owned it last (meaning I still owned it) and that was why the arrows and CT entry were showing up. I retract my complaint as it was operator error as I had not realized the invisible characters while not logged in were still marked as me owning them as I had been the last one to log them in. My bad.