Token Viewing Issue

[MrDDT]

When a player has control of 2 PCs, and one of the PCs is moved to another map (or deleted) while selected, the second PC is unable to see their token unless it's in a seeable area from the last place the first token was.

This often comes up when players are using a familiar scouting and it dies or needs to be placed on another map.

The only way to get the vison back to the player is for them to close the map and reopen it. (Even double clicking on the token icon on their PC will not do it only centers the map)


I think an easy fix for this would be to make it so when you double click the token icon, that will also select that token on the map giving them vision.

[Klandare]

When a player has control of 2 PCs, and one of the PCs is moved to another map (or deleted) while selected, the second PC is unable to see their token unless it's in a seeable area from the last place the first token was.

This often comes up when players are using a familiar scouting and it dies or needs to be placed on another map.

The only way to get the vison back to the player is for them to close the map and reopen it. (Even double clicking on the token icon on their PC will not do it only centers the map)


I think an easy fix for this would be to make it so when you double click the token icon, that will also select that token on the map giving them vision.

I think your option is a good idea. but with current setup if I am not mistaken; you can go to the token which was moved to a new map and click on them so that they are no long selected and then it should show you all tokens you own. After that you should be able to see and click on the token that was on the old map.

[MrDDT]

I think your option is a good idea. but with current setup if I am not mistaken; you can go to the token which was moved to a new map and click on them so that they are no long selected and then it should show you all tokens you own. After that you should be able to see and click on the token that was on the old map.

I've not tested to see if that works, however, would still be an issue with dead/deleted tokens.

Just tested this and it does not work. Even if they select/unselect the token on the new map it will not show them the token on the old map of the other PC.

[SilentRuin]

When a player has control of 2 PCs, and one of the PCs is moved to another map (or deleted) while selected, the second PC is unable to see their token unless it's in a seeable area from the last place the first token was.

This often comes up when players are using a familiar scouting and it dies or needs to be placed on another map.

The only way to get the vison back to the player is for them to close the map and reopen it. (Even double clicking on the token icon on their PC will not do it only centers the map)


I think an easy fix for this would be to make it so when you double click the token icon, that will also select that token on the map giving them vision.

This is an issue with owned NPCs also. For sure I rewrote the Death Indicators to allow double click of the CT entries token field to both center the map and select the token for any owned token (NPC or PC). So this is very doable and not that hard.

[Moon Wizard]

I was looking into this one today; but I was unable to reproduce. (see video) I'm guessing that I'm going to need exact steps to reproduce.

Regards,
JPG

[MrDDT]

I was looking into this one today; but I was unable to reproduce. (see video) I'm guessing that I'm going to need exact steps to reproduce.

Regards,
JPG

Your video all 3 controlled tokens has LOS to the other tokens. (It doesn't have vision but it does have LOS). Put a wall up around each token and then delete the selected token (on the GM side) and the player can't select a token they control anymore because they can't see them.

When you only missing vision and not LOS, players can see all the tokens (selected or not) however, when you don't have LOS to your other tokens, you (as a player) can't see your other tokens when you have one selected. So when it's deleted, you have nothing to click on and it ends up like you still have vision left where that deleted token was.


So put all 3 controlled tokens in LOS boxes (where they can't see each other with vision OR LOS), then do all the rest of your steps you did.

[Moon Wizard]

I just tried that, and I didn't have any issues. (see video)

Are you running any extensions that might be modifying the default ruleset behaviors?

Regards,
JPG

[MrDDT]

I just tried that, and I didn't have any issues. (see video)

Are you running any extensions that might be modifying the default ruleset behaviors?

Regards,
JPG

Something is odd with your vision on your tokens as it shouldn't be like this, correct me if I'm wrong.

When you click on a token, it should show vision/los from that token. It should not show you allies or controlled tokens while it's selected (Unless they have LOS and VISION to those allies or tokens of course).

This seems to be where the issue is on why you can't see what we are seeing.

Video of what I'm seeing.

https://1drv.ms/v/s!AosM2hDUOTatgdpXOIYLcYWkKfvZxQ?e=cENOtp

[Moon Wizard]

I'll look at your video in a bit; but players should be able to see any tokens that they have "ownership" of independently of which tokens are selected. (which is what you see in my video)

Do you have any extensions that might be modifying the default ruleset behaviors?
Do you have a sample campaign with a specific image and owned tokens where this occurs that you can share?

Regards,
JPG

[MrDDT]

I'll look at your video in a bit; but players should be able to see any tokens that they have "ownership" of independently of which tokens are selected. (which is what you see in my video)

Do you have any extensions that might be modifying the default ruleset behaviors?
Do you have a sample campaign with a specific image and owned tokens where this occurs that you can share?

Regards,
JPG

No exts.

I can share the campaign but it's brand new one. If it was my campaign also, it would be many people having this exact same issue. It happens a lot to a lot of people so much so as Silent said above he put it into one of his ext to fix the issue.

[Zacchaeus]

I'm going to agree with MtDDT here.

If I'm controlling two tokens Jane and Bob and they don't have line of sight to one another then when I select Bob I can no longer see Jane. In order to see Jane I need to deselect Bob so that I don't have either token selected and then I can select either Jane or Bob. If I select Jane then I can't see Bob until I deselect her token. Even if the turn comes around on the Combat Tracker this doesn't select the token that isn't visible. The only way to see the other token is to deselect the one that's currently selected. And this then is where the problem that MrDDT sees. If the token that is selected is deleted then there's no way back to the other token since it isn't visible. It requires the DM to refresh the map (or for the player to close and reopen) in order for the non selected token re-appear. There's no problem if neither token is selected or the one that gets deleted isn't selected; only if the currently selected token is the one that goes away.

Since we're making videos :) https://youtu.be/xOxen5h6kXs

[SilentRuin]

I worked around this by adding double click processing to client CT tokenfields in Death Indicator Extension that would not only bring up the map and center it for PCs and owned NPCs but also make sure the token was selected (which triggers its vision allowing a workaround for my players to get out of this problem).

If this gets fixed in a more FGU centric way I'd like it explained so I know if it handles my owned NPC cases (my extension world has me make a lot more use of these than FGU).

[MrDDT]

Zacchaeus hit the nail on the head here.

I also think it's not a good idea to change it to where selecting a token you would see your other controlled tokens as this is often used to see if you CAN see them. I think the current way of not seeing your other controlled tokens is best for playing when you have a token selected as it should be what you can see with that token's LOS, not what the player can see as a whole.

[Moon Wizard]

I definitely wasn't disagreeing with MrDDT; I was just missing the steps to reproduce. Thanks to both of you for helping me figure that out. It looks like the key was turning off Party Vision/Movement; as well as the steps.

I'll see what I can do to fix the selection clearing on the player side.

I hesitate to change the selection for players when the turn changes in general; because they may be checking other things related to party vision/movement.

Regards,
JPG