New Effects DC Section

[GrimmStories]

Recently played a game in Unity and tried figuring out what the new DC section in the Effects menu does, but didn't do anything except somehow stop PERS and DMGO from working. I was hoping it would allow players to edit the flat check, or auto roll a DC, but no luck and didn't allow a save to be targeted. Does anyone have any clues how this new content works, how it is suppose to function, or a link to details? I have found anything yet.

[Trenloe]

See the release 16 overview video - link in the first first post: https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forums/showthread.php?57774-PFRPG2-ruleset-Release-16-now-in-quot-live- Click "show more" under the video in YouTube to get links to the different sections - the last section covers effects and the new DC entry is discussed.

[MaxAstro]

Also be aware that if you leave the DC field blank it will default to 15 for any effect that has PERS anywhere in it, so if you are using persistent damage for an effect that shouldn't end with a flat check (like poison), make sure to set the DC to 21 or higher.

[Trenloe]

so if you are using persistent damage for an effect that shouldn't end with a flat check (like poison), make sure to set the DC to 21 or higher.
Can you give some examples of this please? So I can better code for stuff like this. Thanks!

EDIT: That is, when something specifically uses "persistent damage" but doesn't have a flat check to end it. If you have something that is doing damage every round for a set duration then I'd recommend using ongoing damage DMGO, which doesn't have any flat check and runs it's course.

[GrimmStories]

Um, Ok I think there is a misunderstanding. In spells creation there is a option for Effects like in the video, but in the video in never goes over the new DC in the Effects menu. The menu I talking about is the magnifying glass to the right. It has the new DC which call Effect DC with the options being Fixed, Spell/Class DC, CL, CL/2, and Flat Checks. There is a Extra Traits under this. Hopefully I cleared up the misunderstanding.

[Trenloe]

Um, Ok I think there is a misunderstanding. In spells creation there is a option for Effects like in the video, but in the video in never goes over the new DC in the Effects menu. The menu I talking about is the magnifying glass to the right. It has the new DC which call Effect DC with the options being Fixed, Spell/Class DC, CL, CL/2, and Flat Checks. There is a Extra Traits under this. Hopefully I cleared up the misunderstanding.
I'm not clear on exactly what you're doing and what isn't working.

There might well be an issue. Please provide an example - screenshots will help a lot. Thanks!

[GrimmStories]

36997

The menu to the right. Plz don't worry about the Sneak attack stuff.

[MaxAstro]

Oh! I didn't know about DMGO, I've been using PERS instead.

I think there are a couple things that have abilities along the lines of "the persistent damage from this attack doesn't end until [some condition]", much like a couple things have an ability like that for Frightened, but it's not anything like common. I've mainly been concerned with poison, and for that I obviously should be using DMGO instead.

[Trenloe]

36997

The menu to the right. Plz don't worry about the Sneak attack stuff.

Let's step back. Can you list what you're questions are and what issues you're having?

You mentioned that things stopped working, etc.. I'd like examples of that please.

[GrimmStories]

There ae two issues, the first is I want to learn what the purpose of these new functions are and how to use it.

The second is when I tried using the function to change the Flat check it stop working correctly. An Example would be "PERS: 1d10 poison" and the DC set to Flat check to a number that would equal a pass on a Fort Save to auto remove the Poison damage, it just wouldn't work. Then I tried it DMGO to see maybe PERS somehow conflicted with the change I made and nothing happen. The GM could make his own work like in the video and they work fine, and when I used one I made before the patch it worked too.

Did that help?

[MaxAstro]

Flat checks don't get any bonuses - it's just an unmodified d20 roll against a flat number. So if you set the DC higher than 20, the condition will never end. PERS is for persistent bleed/acid/etc damage, not really for poison. You need to roll poison fort saves manually.

EDIT: Wait, I see what you mean. You set the flat check DC to the die number that would be a pass on the Fort save. That's smart! I'm not sure why that isn't working, then.

[Trenloe]

When reporting an issue, please don't just say "it doesn't work". There are many parts to this and just saying that really doesn't help me to identify the issue. I'm sure there are some edge cases that I didn't test when I was developing this, so please help me to look into this (and hopefully fix it) by giving me some more info.

Screenshots of the effect being applied (the details in the PC actions tab), the effect once it is in the CT (with the details opened so that the init value to decrease is shown) and the chat window after the init has been stepped past the actor with the effect.

I appreciate the assistance in looking into issues. Thanks!

[Trenloe]

There ae two issues, the first is I want to learn what the purpose of these new functions are and how to use it.
I've added some details to post #2 of the release thread: https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forums/showthread.php?57774-PFRPG2-ruleset-Release-16-now-in-quot-live-! I've also added some more gotchas in post #1.

Hope this helps.

[GrimmStories]

Okay, so it just for show and has no mechanical benefit other than as a visual reminder on the combat tracker.

[Trenloe]

Okay, so it just for show and has no mechanical benefit other than as a visual reminder on the combat tracker.
Yes, except for PERS (persistent damage). This is covered in the videos and in the release 16 thread.

[treyduggan]

so, is there a way to apply the benefits of the stanching rune to reduce the DC of the bleed flat checks? I.E. - to 12 from 15 with the basic stanching rune?

[Trenloe]

so, is there a way to apply the benefits of the stanching rune to reduce the DC of the bleed flat checks? I.E. - to 12 from 15 with the basic stanching rune?
Welcome to the FG forums. The GM can change the DC of the PERS effect once applied to a target in the combat tracker - click on the DC field for the effect in the combat tracker and type in 12.

[treyduggan]

Thank you!