Blinded Condition VS Dex saves

[bobbyp31]

How does the Blinded Condition effect Dex saves?
Blinded
A blinded creature can’t see and automatically fails any ability check that requires sight.
Attack rolls against the creature have advantage, and the creature’s Attack rolls have disadvantage.

So it effects Ability Checks but not saves? This seems kinda wrong unless I'm missing something?

If anyone can help clarify this for me I'd really appreciate it

[LordEntrails]

imo, saves are an ability check with proficiency. So they are affected as well.

[GavinRuneblade]

How does the Blinded Condition effect Dex saves?
Blinded
A blinded creature can’t see and automatically fails any ability check that requires sight.
Attack rolls against the creature have advantage, and the creature’s Attack rolls have disadvantage.

So it effects Ability Checks but not saves? This seems kinda wrong unless I'm missing something?

If anyone can help clarify this for me I'd really appreciate it

RAW effects only do exactly what they say and nothing else. It says it effects ability checks, it does not say it effects saves so it does not. You are free to houserule.

[Zacchaeus]

Indeed as Gavin says, a Saving throw is not an ability check and is unaffected by the condition. However as always the DM is free to make any adjustments they think necessary for the particular situation.

[Nickademus]

There are three types of checks in 5e: attack rolls, saving throws, and ability checks. Ability checks include the idea of skills and using tools, as well as a raw test of ability.

These three are mutually exclusive and specifically named in the rules that apply to them.

[mattekure]

Some things which may appear to be their own thing, are actually implementations of the saves or checks as well.

For example.
Rolling Initiative is a Dexterity check.
A concentration check for spells is actually a Constitution Saving Throw.

The only non-ability variant of a saving throw is the Death Saving Throw which has its own rules.

[LordEntrails]

Anyone know if Sage Advice or others have ever addressed this question?

[mattekure]

Anyone know if Sage Advice or others have ever addressed this question?

I dont think so. The only reference to the Blinded condition in Sage Advice was on whether or not a blinded creature can make an opportunity attack.

[mattekure]

The only semi-official ruling on this isnt terribly definitive or official.

Jeremy Crawford was asked in a tweet "@JeremyECrawford Blinded creatures fail ability checks that require sight. Would this affect their ability to DEX spell save. RAW check/save"

His reply was "Ability checks & saving throws aren't the same. See the Sage Advice Compendium"

[Ecks]

Relevant answer from the Sage Advice Compendium (page 8):


Are attack rolls and saving throws basically specialized ability checks? They aren’t.
...
If something in the game, like the guidance spell, affects one of them, the other two aren’t affected unless the rules specifically say so.

[GavinRuneblade]

Relevant answer from the Sage Advice Compendium (page 8):

Thanks!