Unity Kickstarter confusion. Rookie vs Veteren

[Fihnakis]

Looking at the Kickstarter page I'm confused by the choice between Rookie and Veteran package. Is there no difference other than price? If so, why is the Veteran package more than the rookie package?

[Zacchaeus]

The different packages are the upgrade price depending on when you bought the current version. If you bought FG in 2018 or 2019 then you pay the Rookie upgrade. If you bought it earlier you pay the Veteran upgrade price.

[Fihnakis]

Huh, I would think there would be more of a reward for Veteran players that have supported them for a long time, 6 years in my case, than just having to pay more.

[seycyrus]

How have you supported them "more"?

Did you include them in your bedtime prayers every night, and therefore you have sent them 5 x 365 = 1825 more prayers? What if they prayed twice as hard as you did?

[Zacchaeus]

That’s not helpful seycyrus.

See here for some of the reasoning and other posts throughout that thread https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forums/showthread.php?48729-Special-Announcement-Kickstarter/page62

[Fihnakis]

How have you supported them "more"?

Did you include them in your bedtime prayers every night, and therefore you have sent them 5 x 365 = 1825 more prayers? What if they prayed twice as hard as you did?

Wow, someone's a little triggered. You need to learn to read instead of jumping on the ******* train. I never once said I supported them more. I merely find it odd that those who have been users for a good amount of time wouldn't get a little more in a package than a "rookie".

[Fihnakis]

Thank you and I get that and agree. I'm perfectly ok with paying more because they're right, I've enjoyed the software for a long time while enjoying great support and free updates.

[LordEntrails]

Not as an excuse to the previous response, but just some info for consideration. The comment/question about veterans paying more than rookies has been brought up many many times in the last few days. Such has apparently made some people a little annoyed when the question comes up.

Anyway, glad you are like me and have enjoyed FG over the past years. I'm even more hopeful for FGU :)

[Fihnakis]

Thank you. My search skills are quite lacking. I did a quick forum search before posting and didn't see a similar question so didn't realize until now this was a touchy topic. Have gotten much use out of FG. And look to be getting a lot more out of it now that all the kiddos are all scattered across the county, it'll be the only way we can keep gaming together :) Looking forward to the road ahead for FGU.

[Ampersandrew]

Thank you. My search skills are quite lacking. I did a quick forum search before posting and didn't see a similar question so didn't realize until now this was a touchy topic. Have gotten much use out of FG. And look to be getting a lot more out of it now that all the kiddos are all scattered across the county, it'll be the only way we can keep gaming together :) Looking forward to the road ahead for FGU.

Also, some people have been "bitchy and entitled"* on the kickstarter comments. I'm not saying that you were being either, but some people with a similar question were. I'm Just pointing out you may not have found it because it wasn't all on here.

Some people who bought the ultimate license in Late December 2017 were vocal about their annoyance that they missed Rookie pricing by a matter of days.

* quoting me :-)

[Dracones]

Some people who bought the ultimate license in Late December 2017 were vocal about their annoyance that they missed Rookie pricing by a matter of days.


Yeah, I can see that. Unfortunately Kickstarter's pledge system is a pretty blunt instrument and the more pledge levels you add to try to fine tune it, the more people get confused by it.

[DwightLee]

I am perfectly happy to pay the $139 for the ultimate licence, my previous licence was by subscription. :)

[Haerilis]

Maybe it has been discussed before but when i discovered the Kickstarter for the first time i did not browse the forums for hours before. I had the same reaction as OP,the difference of price between rookie and veteran strikes me too. Makes no sense at all from my point of view.

[Kelrugem]

Maybe it has been discussed before but when i discovered the Kickstarter for the first time i did not browse the forums for hours before. I had the same reaction as OP,the difference of price between rookie and veteran strikes me too. Makes no sense at all from my point of view.

See the FAQ of the kickstarter, https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/smiteworks/fantasy-grounds-unity/faqs :)

[Haerilis]

See the FAQ of the kickstarter, https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/smiteworks/fantasy-grounds-unity/faqs :)

True but not the first thing you look at , and i dont agree with it. There was no such thing as the monthly fee system when i bought it,money saved? In theory... Also each of us probably made them sell quite a few licenses just to join the games we were DMing, this wont be taken into account in their calculation. That said that wont prevent me to upgrade to unity version if everyone does.

[JohnD]

Anyone who doesn't agree is always able to not purchase FGU via the Kickstarter (at a rate that it will likely never be cheaper than), or after release when it will probably be full price, whatever that ends up being.

[Haerilis]

Anyone who doesn't agree is always able to not purchase FGU via the Kickstarter (at a rate that it will likely never be cheaper than), or after release when it will probably be full price, whatever that ends up being.

Well i'd like to know that final price , it may ends up on steam on sales at a much lower price than the Kickstarter too.

[JohnD]

Well i'd like to know that final price , it may ends up on steam on sales at a much lower price than the Kickstarter too.

Not any time soon it won't.

Only you can make a value judgement for yourself.

If you don't like the price, or the philosophy that went into determining the pricing model, you have three options, don't buy, hold your nose and buy anyway, or wait some indeterminant amount of time such that a Steam sale will allow you to realize a $90 discount on the price of an Ultimate license or whatever the discount is on the Standard license.

Assuming you've had a license since 2011, and are still active, one would be forgiven for thinking you've received solid value for your "investment". That's a value judgement admittedly, so to each their own perspective.

[Haerilis]

Not any time soon it won't.

Only you can make a value judgement for yourself.

If you don't like the price, or the philosophy that went into determining the pricing model, you have three options, don't buy, hold your nose and buy anyway, or wait some indeterminant amount of time such that a Steam sale will allow you to realize a $90 discount on the price of an Ultimate license or whatever the discount is on the Standard license.

Assuming you've had a license since 2011, and are still active, one would be forgiven for thinking you've received solid value for your "investment". That's a value judgement admittedly, so to each their own perspective.

Oh certainly, i always says using roll20 vs FG2 is like using a bicycle vs a rolls royce. Still i will always look for the best deal possible.

[LordEntrails]

Here's part of my perspective, that was implied by others, SW is unlikely to make the FGU licenses cheaper than the KS prices even during a Steam Sale. Think of uproar and complaints from KS backers who pledged and gave money for FGU prior to actually being able to use it. Their is value to SW having people involved in the KS, and that value is likely to translate, in part, to the KS prices being the lowest prices their may ever be for FGU.

But, we won't know. SW has said the post KS prices are not yet determined. And IMO it doesn't make business sense for them to announce those prices until FGU goes public (i.e. December). What we do know is that SW has stated that the KS was initially much more successful than expected (and this is supported by the breaking and nearly outpacing the initial stretch goals in the first few hours). One way to interpret the KS being stronger than expected is that means their might be fewer post KS customers, and that might support a business approach that means their is less incentive to entice (with lower prices) the non-KS backers.

Lots of speculation I know, and hopefully I've been clear this is only one possible to see things, but to me it just goes to support that it seems very likely that prices will never be better than during the KS.

[DwightLee]

I didnt pledge to get the lowest price, I pledged to be a part of what they are doing and to be able to be in the beta to convert my homebrew prior to release.

I pledged because I wanted to pledge, not because I expected some exclusive price that will never be beaten. I am sure that is will not be the case in the long run.

[seycyrus]

I didnt pledge to get the lowest price, I pledged to be a part of what they are doing and to be able to be in the beta to convert my homebrew prior to release.

I pledged because I wanted to pledge, not because I expected some exclusive price that will never be beaten. I am sure that is will not be the case in the long run.

Now that REAL support!!

[damned]

Here's part of my perspective, that was implied by others, SW is unlikely to make the FGU licenses cheaper than the KS prices even during a Steam Sale. Think of uproar and complaints from KS backers who pledged and gave money for FGU prior to actually being able to use it. Their is value to SW having people involved in the KS, and that value is likely to translate, in part, to the KS prices being the lowest prices their may ever be for FGU.

Ive seen very few RPG style Kickstarters that you couldnt later buy for less. It seems this pricing is unlikely to be bettered but who knows? Buy if it seems like value. Dont if it doesnt add up for you at this time.