Published material naming convention

[Mathizsias]

This is driving me nuts, it's not just my OCD, but can we please for the love of Torm have a consistent naming method? Many of the modules, groups and images have inconsistent naming methods like DD, D&D, DD 5E, or reversed <insert group type> DD/D&D/DD 5E. It makes organizing groups, etc a horrid annoyance, it wouldn't be as annoying if it wasn't so that after every restart of FG these inconsistencies are overwritten by the module, even though I had changed them. Let player/dm changes to groups and names take precedence over the module's defaults please, that would make me very happy.

The worst offender in the images/maps groups:

D&amp;D Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide - Player's Guide
D&amp;D Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide - Campaign Guide

That one in particular is pretty old and has been in there for an age. Can we expect some future cleanup of older modules?

[Zacchaeus]

I haven’t got a solution yet for SCAG, but it will get sorted in time.

[Mathizsias]

If only groups wouldn't be overwritten by module updates, that'd be great. :(

[TMO]

Thank you! I had to believe I wasn't alone with the naming convention issues. The biggest problem are in the modules themselves, but even the store filter is inconsistent:

5E Compatible
D&D 4E
D&D fifth edition

Why wasn't "D&D 5E" used? That seemed like a no-brainer.

[damned]

Thank you! I had to believe I wasn't alone with the naming convention issues. The biggest problem are in the modules themselves, but even the store filter is inconsistent:

5E Compatible
D&D 4E
D&D fifth edition

Why wasn't "D&D 5E" used? That seemed like a no-brainer.

Because the IP owner requested things be named in a specific way.

[TMO]

Because the IP owner requested things be named in a specific way.

Really? They requested the product filter to work this way? Including the all lower case spelling?

[damned]

Really? They requested the product filter to work this way? Including the all lower case spelling?

Yeah. You're right of course.
They just pulled the naming of their number one licensed partner out from under their battered baseball caps.

[TMO]

Yeah. You're right of course.
They just pulled the naming of their number one licensed partner out from under their battered baseball caps.

Not sure what you are saying there, but it seems like sarcasm. Not meaning to offend. I just happened to be a licensed reseller for a software vendor myself (totally unrelated to gaming) so I have some experience in this matter. I think what seems odd about this is that I see a consistent use of "5E" everywhere else. From a branding perspective it just seemed a little unusual.

[damned]

If you do a search of official Wizards sites you will find that they simply call D&D just that - D&D. They dont really want you referring to it as anything else. It is D&D. You will also find that in most official wizards material where a version is mentioned that version is "fifth edition". It is in lower case deliberately. The Wizards hate edition wars and they really dont want to talk about past editions - not because they dont like them just they want to talk about the now product. They want people talking about and playing D&D. And D&D is D&D fifth edition.

Here are a few random official links:

In the 114 page Basic Rules neither 5e or fifth edition are mentioned. It is simply D&D. https://media.wizards.com/2016/downloads/DND/PlayerBasicRulesV03.pdf
D&D home page - same thing. https://dnd.wizards.com/products/legendary-fantasy-gaming
The SRD home page uses "fifth edition" and "5th edition" https://dnd.wizards.com/articles/features/systems-reference-document-srd
The use of intellectual property page only uses "fifth edition" https://wizards.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/88
Character sheets page onlu uses "fifth edition" https://dnd.wizards.com/articles/features/character_sheets
Article on translated versions only uses "fifth edition" https://dnd.wizards.com/articles/news/localization
Digital Tools page uses "fifth edition" https://dnd.wizards.com/digital_tools

etc etc

The lower case is because its not the important part. D&D is the focus of all the branding.

Consistent use of 5E is by third parties.

[TMO]

If you do a search of official Wizards sites you will find that they simply call D&D just that - D&D. They dont really want you referring to it as anything else. It is D&D. You will also find that in most official wizards material where a version is mentioned that version is "fifth edition". It is in lower case deliberately. The Wizards hate edition wars and they really dont want to talk about past editions - not because they dont like them just they want to talk about the now product. They want people talking about and playing D&D. And D&D is D&D fifth edition.

Here are a few random official links:

In the 114 page Basic Rules neither 5e or fifth edition are mentioned. It is simply D&D. https://media.wizards.com/2016/downloads/DND/PlayerBasicRulesV03.pdf
D&D home page - same thing. https://dnd.wizards.com/products/legendary-fantasy-gaming
The SRD home page uses "fifth edition" and "5th edition" https://dnd.wizards.com/articles/features/systems-reference-document-srd
The use of intellectual property page only uses "fifth edition" https://wizards.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/88
Character sheets page onlu uses "fifth edition" https://dnd.wizards.com/articles/features/character_sheets
Article on translated versions only uses "fifth edition" https://dnd.wizards.com/articles/news/localization
Digital Tools page uses "fifth edition" https://dnd.wizards.com/digital_tools

etc etc

The lower case is because its not the important part. D&D is the focus of all the branding.

Consistent use of 5E is by third parties.

I consider myself corrected on this matter and I sincerely appreciate your effort in educating me on this.

[damned]

I admit it doesnt "feel" consistent.
For long time players it is hard not to think in terms of editions.
And on the flip side for many players of D&D this is the only version they have ever known.

Probably when "sixth edition" is released this will become 5E :)

[Nylanfs]

A discussion of editions on the internet that didn't develop into a flame war??? What kind of bizarre alternate reality is this? :)

[dulux-oz]

What kind of bizarre alternate reality is this? :)

This! ... is the FG Forums!

Not a bizarre alternate reality, but the reason I keep coming back over and over and over again - for the people of this Community have proven themselves to be THE princes and princesses of the Internet!

[Thegroo]

This! ... is the FG Forums!

Not a bizarre alternate reality, but the reason I keep coming back over and over and over again - for the people of this Community have proven themselves to be THE princes and princesses of the Internet!

So true

[Nickademus]

A discussion of editions on the internet that didn't develop into a flame war??? What kind of bizarre alternate reality is this? :)


This! ... is the FG Forums!

Not a bizarre alternate reality, but the reason I keep coming back over and over and over again - for the people of this Community have proven themselves to be THE princes and princesses of the Internet!

What!? No flame war? But ma popcorn just finished...

[TMO]

This! ... is the FG Forums!

Not a bizarre alternate reality, but the reason I keep coming back over and over and over again - for the people of this Community have proven themselves to be THE princes and princesses of the Internet!

LOL. Usually when I hear people referred to as a princess it's a pejorative (like special little snowflake)...thus another excuse for a flame war!

[dulux-oz]

LOL. Usually when I hear people referred to as a princess it's a pejorative (like special little snowflake)...thus another excuse for a flame war!

I was trying NOT to be sexist - as in "Prince of the Community", "a scholar and a gentleman" or (in Aussie) "a damn good bloke or sheila" :)

[TMO]

I was trying NOT to be sexist - as in "Prince of the Community", "a scholar and a gentleman" or (in Aussie) "a damn good bloke or sheila" :)

Oh, I totally get it and in context your intentions were perfectly clear. I was just making light of the subject since I often hear "don't be such a princess" as a way of saying "don't be such a wimp" (which is really a sanitized variation of what people really mean).

[dulux-oz]

Oh, I totally get it and in context your intentions were perfectly clear. I was just making light of the subject since I often hear "don't be such a princess" as a way of saying "don't be such a wimp" (which is really a sanitized variation of what people really mean).

So I don't need my asbestos suit?

[TMO]

So I don't need my asbestos suit?

No from this damn good bloke.

[damned]

princesses!

[dulux-oz]

princesses!

:p :p :p

[eldarune]

So, if I as a developer was in the enviable position of being able to advise the IP holder how to name their resources, what would be the best practice/preferred/intuitive method for naming rulesets, modules, etc?

And is case a big deal? (I going to be using GitLab for source control, and we'd normally use lower case repository names, well, because ...)

Thanks in advance.

[LordEntrails]

So, if I as a developer was in the enviable position of being able to advise the IP holder how to name their resources, what would be the best practice/preferred/intuitive method for naming rulesets, modules, etc?

And is case a big deal? (I going to be using GitLab for source control, and we'd normally use lower case repository names, well, because ...)

Thanks in advance.
Are you talking product name, or module file name, or module descriptive name or...? Names show up in a few places, and they don't always need to be the same thing. For instance, file name and the name that shows up n the module activation window can be different.

[eldarune]

Sorry. Ruleset file name (for the main rule book), module file names for supplemental books and then campaigns.

[Moon Wizard]

There's an internal name (which uniquely identifies the module within FG), a display name (which is shown in the user interface when selecting which content to use), and an author name (which is also shown in the user interface when selecting content).

Usually, the internal name and the display name are the same (unless there's a good reason to be different), and the display name usually matches the name of the physical product it was adapted from. The author name is for specifying the publisher who created the original physical product. This assumes you are creating an adaptation of a physical RPG book to FG.

Regards,
JPG

[eldarune]

There's an internal name (which uniquely identifies the module within FG)

And that one is case-sensitive right? So if your ruleset is "bt3050.pak", then you need <ruleset>bt3050</ruleset>, or ruleset is "BT3050" and <ruleset>BT3050</ruleset>, but you can't mix case otherwise FG won't join then together correctly right?

Would the convention be that the ruleset name is either an ALL-CAPS abbreviation, or ProperCase, or it does not matter?

[Moon Wizard]

The ruleset name is a separate thing. I was just talking about module names above.

For ruleset names, it must be something that is a valid file system file name. We've tended to make them abbreviations to make them easier to see on the campaign selection screen. There is no differentiation between the user interface name and the internal name, it's all the same.

I've usually seen people use all caps (for abbreviations, such as PFRPG/SFRPG) or ProperCase (for words, such as SavageWorlds).

Regards,
JPG