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ddavison
September 27th, 2017, 14:40
Some players like that there are games they can join and play even if that means paying for each session. Other people dislike the thought of paid GMs entirely. We allow paid GMs to post and recruit for their games here but we have a few new ground rules that we are laying out.

Please follow these basic rules before posting any paid games.

Your games should obviously use Fantasy Grounds
You should not attempt to get users to sign up to an alternate forum and calendar system
Your games should be clearly advertised as Paid Games within the title and in the description of any listing
If you are streaming the game or recording it to stream please state this in your post/ad
The price should be clearly listed. Payment method should be something safe like Paypal.
You should post your own threads for this and not post into everyone's LFG threads directly. Let them find you as opposed to actively recruiting across all other game threads.
All paid games should be posted in the Paid Games forum


This is a new policy and it may be subject to change over time based on feedback from our community.

If you do not like Paid Games, please do not go into the Paid Games forum. Posting negative opinions about paid games in the Paid Games forum will not be allowed and will be moderated.

LordEntrails
September 28th, 2017, 15:11
Thanks for addressing this. Good gaming everyone!

JohnD
September 28th, 2017, 15:20
Good rules. There's some feedback.

dulux-oz
September 29th, 2017, 06:28
For the record:

All of the DORs (Dulux-Oz Rulesets) and DOEs (Dulux-Oz Extensions) have a specific clause in their Licenses stating:



(4)(a)(i) You May use this Program and the Accompanying Materials for personal, non-commercial use only.


Use of any of the DORs or DOEs by a paid-GM in a paid-game would constitute non-personal, commercial use and would therefore be in violation of the License (ie is not permitted).

Also for the record:

Explicit permission to use any of the DORs or DOEs in a paid-game will not be given.

Why I Oppose Paid Games (http://www.fantasygrounds.com/forums/entry.php?303-Why-I-Oppose-Paid-Games)

Mgrancey
September 30th, 2017, 00:24
Just to clarify, as I was thinking of getting back into running but using already constructed modules; how would asking Players to contribute to cost of Modules or Extras they agree on count. I had planned on pretty much everything listed in post #1, so didn't think it would be an issue but since I saw this figured I should to double check anyways.

damned
September 30th, 2017, 02:27
I personally have no issue with someone running Pay to Play.
And i think that it is quite fair for you to ask your players to share the cost of the adventure module.

ddavison
September 30th, 2017, 02:53
I think there is also a difference if these are players that you already game with regularly versus you recruiting players you've never met. If you don't really know the players at all then I consider this to be a clear pay-to-play game and it should be advertised appropriately.

dulux-oz
September 30th, 2017, 03:41
I personally have no issue with someone running Pay to Play.

And I respect your right to hold the view that you do, even though I don't respect the view itself and I hold the opposite view. This is one of the great things about this Community - the fact that people can have a discussion such as this and not have it degenerate into a "slinging match" :)


And i think that it is quite fair for you to ask your players to share the cost of the adventure module.

I agree (and have said as much in my Blog Post), but this is, I consider, a different issue.

LordEntrails
September 30th, 2017, 05:42
Asking for financial support and requiring it in order to play are distinct for me. Though I admit their is a wide grey area.

Friends would not expect a friend to bear all of the cost or burden. This is why we have potlucks, or why it is customary to bring a bottle of wine or other token gift for the host of a dinner party. But going to a restaurant is different. It is a business arrangement and not a social one. Paid games are the same, they are a business, not a social arrangement.

PhorgottenSon
September 30th, 2017, 07:08
This is a stickied thread about the rules for posting Paid Games and postings for hiring a paid Game Master. Please take the debate on the rightness or wrongness of this activity elsewhere and leave this thread to those asking about something they don't see in the rules, making suggestions to the rules, and/or looking for clarification on the rules that are there.

Thanks.

dulux-oz
September 30th, 2017, 07:20
This is a stickied thread about the rules for posting Paid Games and postings for hiring a paid Game Master. Please take the debate on the rightness or wrongness of this activity elsewhere and leave this thread to those asking about something they don't see in the rules, making suggestions to the rules, and/or looking for clarification on the rules that are there.

Thanks.

Its also about feedback on the those Rules and the Policy as a whole - and this Community's attitude and concern about this subject (positive or negative) has and should have an impact on the topic.

Its also appropriate to point out to those who are using this thread to gather information about such rules, etc, to be informed that there are alternatives to the activity, especially if those individuals happen to be relatively new to the hobby and/or to VTTs in general and may not be aware that there is a body of knowledge and opinion (positive and negative) about the practice and how their participation may effect their enjoyment of the hobby in both the short and long term.

SirGraystone
September 30th, 2017, 14:39
Just to clarify, as I was thinking of getting back into running but using already constructed modules; how would asking Players to contribute to cost of Modules or Extras they agree on count. I had planned on pretty much everything listed in post #1, so didn't think it would be an issue but since I saw this figured I should to double check anyways.

I don't think anyone have a problem with players sharing the cost of modules if they agree to it, it's more about DM asking to be paid for their time. Even then if someone start a LFP thread asking the players to paid to play the rules allow it, as long as it follows the rules. What was more a problem is someone starting posting in many LFG threads offering his paid games as many noticed lately.

Black Hammer
October 1st, 2017, 02:19
I think points 2 and 5 are especially important.

Waldbaer
October 2nd, 2017, 22:29
Its also about feedback on the those Rules and the Policy as a whole - and this Community's attitude and concern about this subject (positive or negative) has and should have an impact on the topic.

Its also appropriate to point out to those who are using this thread to gather information about such rules, etc, to be informed that there are alternatives to the activity, especially if those individuals happen to be relatively new to the hobby and/or to VTTs in general and may not be aware that there is a body of knowledge and opinion (positive and negative) about the practice and how their participation may effect their enjoyment of the hobby in both the short and long term.

That's why I like this community a lot and I have to absolutely say YES to what Dulux-Oz said. I think the same - I have paid quite a bit to get FG running and so on. It's something I do because I like to do online gaming like FG allows me to do. I do have experience of roleplaying for more than 20 years and it never came to me to be paid for what I do. This is about fun together and learning new faces. And out of my perspective bringing the money in harms this part of the deal. What happens if you do not like the events of an evening? Do you get a refund?

Really, I think the money should stay out of the game here and I would wish that this is simply about having fun together and a good time!

Take care,
Waldbaer

Waldbaer
October 2nd, 2017, 22:31
...and I did a lot of GMing and stuff...I have been on both sides of the table many times.

Full Bleed
October 3rd, 2017, 05:48
Really, I think the money should stay out of the game here and I would wish that this is simply about having fun together and a good time!
People pay for things they "Love" all the time. In fact, it's a time-honored tradition to support the things you love and respect with financial compensation.

And some people are fortunate enough to make money doing things they "Love". As opposed to making a living (or paying a bill) doing something you don't.

The peanut gallery's negative opinion of Paid Games and those willing to Pay for them smacks of envy, lack of understanding, and irrelevance with regard to the participants.

Frankly, the hostile environment on Smitework's site against paid games is dissuasive enough that if I was going to run one I wouldn't bother using this platform, or this forum, at all. You think you're doing Smiteworks any favors by ostracizing those people?

I applaud Smiteworks for instituting some guidelines to try to herd this particular cat (since it appears one scratched some people the wrong way)... but I hope they can mange the niche with the neutrality it deserves.

If anything, Smiteworks should consider opening up a dedicated subforum for paid games where players and GM's can publicly solicit and discuss their experiences without having unwanted aspersions cast at them. Nothing protects a consumer, or exposes a fraud, more than transparency.

Waldbaer
October 3rd, 2017, 08:56
Frankly, the hostile environment on Smitework's site against paid games is dissuasive enough that if I was going to run one I wouldn't bother using this platform, or this forum, at all. You think you're doing Smiteworks any favors by ostracizing those people?

I see and understand your side of the table - but I think it is far away from being a hostile environment here. This is just about my opinion and yours and there we seem to have a large gap in the middle. I do not prevent anyone to host paid games - but I wonder why the world needs something like that? And I really keep asking people to participate in campaign costs far away from someone who would take money to entertain his/her DM skills.

It occurs to me that neither I can convince you of my opponion nor the other way around. Probably it's just because in my life the idea of getting paid for doing something which I do as a hobby privately for a long time now is simply corrupting the idea of such games for me.

On the other hand if a paid DM gets things done which you never could do privately this may be worth a price. But I myself more or less feature the nostalgic idea that a DM gives something to the players and the players give something back to him/her. And I do not mean a money transaction.

Zacchaeus
October 3rd, 2017, 10:51
I think we are straying from the point of the thread here which is to lay out some ground rules for DMs recruiting for games that they charge for. I don't think we need any more opinions expressed as to whether paying to play is good or bad.

vodokar
October 4th, 2017, 01:50
I don't personally have an opinion on the subject one way or the other. I do have an opinion regarding ensuring that such GM's and players who deem to participate in such activity are not looked down upon or ostracised in any way. That I will fight strongly for. All players have a right to choose or not to choose such an activity. It's no one else's business.

PhorgottenSon
October 4th, 2017, 04:33
I have a note or suggestion about Rule 4.
"The price should be clearly listed."

I think this should include the GM's refund policy for sessions paid for but not played or used, as well as refunds for dissatisfaction if any refunds are to be given for that at all.

Mgrancey
October 4th, 2017, 16:56
While I agree that would be a good idea, I don't think Smiteworks should require that as that would put them in the position of trying to regulate it, which then require enforcement.

Which I don't think Smiteworks should or have responsibility or authority for.

Mellock
October 4th, 2017, 19:17
I don't think they're hostile at all. They can just see it happen already: a disgruntled player posts about the horrible misadventure with a paid DM and how does Smiteworks dare to harbor these fiends, these virtual scum?! Surely *someone* must be held accountable, and since the DM absconded with the precious moolah, it will be the blasted company that fosters this kind of vile misconduct!

I personally don't care either way. To each their own. If I would have been in a physical game, I would bring snacks and drinks, and chip in for DM product. SW have provided a gift option, which takes care of that in a way. Although most DMs I've gamed with actually stalwartly refuse to accept anything. There's also "paid" and "paid" in my mind: if you run an adventure that costs $20 and lasts about 20 sessions, and you charge $1 per session. Is that really all that horrible? If you charge a hefty premium, promising the world? Is one person's king's ransom a pittance to someone else? I think they're definitely onto something making a few basic rules at this point and proceeding carefully without actually disallowing it.

Andraax
October 4th, 2017, 21:58
I accept "GM bribes" - an old tradition in gaming - but no one is required to pay *anything* to play in my games. This is something I do for enjoyment, if I had to keep track of the finances it would become work.

PhorgottenSon
October 5th, 2017, 01:44
While I agree that would be a good idea, I don't think Smiteworks should require that as that would put them in the position of trying to regulate it, which then require enforcement.

Which I don't think Smiteworks should or have responsibility or authority for.

I am not saying that Smiteworks or the rules should require paid GMs to accept refunds. I am stating they should make the GM state in the post about the paid game what their personal refund policy is even if that policy is No Refunds. This way everyone knows exactly what they are getting into up front.

michaelzep
October 10th, 2017, 23:40
I DM all the time in real life and use the program to help me make it more interactive. I want to join a game that I am NOT the DM and would pay a small fee if the group was also paying. I wish there was a "looking for group" in the program.

Andraax
October 11th, 2017, 02:21
http://www.fantasygrounds.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?40-LFG-Looking-for-Group

michaelzep
October 11th, 2017, 05:40
Ya posted and been reposting for weeks.
http://www.fantasygrounds.com/forums/showthread.php?40119-LFG-D-amp-D-5e-after-midnight-EST

It don't help when you have nothing to do but big on the forms for weeks and months.

damned
October 11th, 2017, 05:47
michaelzep consider signing up for a session or two at http://www.fg-con.com/events and this may lead to new opportunities.

Andraax
October 11th, 2017, 06:18
Ya posted and been reposting for weeks.

Well, it doesn't help when you are only available one night and only want to play one game system. Kinda limits your choices.

michaelzep
October 11th, 2017, 06:47
Well, it doesn't help when you are only available one night and only want to play one game system. Kinda limits your choices.

Sorry that I work and have other commitments. It still doesn't take away from the idea of having a looking for group in the program for jump in players.

Thanks Damned, I will.

Waldbaer
October 11th, 2017, 13:42
Hi michaelzep - I have a game running there and one slot opened recently. It is a Saturday though, but time could be working for you. Please check the link in my signature if you would like to find out.
Thanks and good luck to find a group for you.

Ludus Dominus
March 7th, 2018, 01:09
I have a good question in regards to rule numero 2. Can you use other media to direct people to paid gaming use on FG? Like using reddit or meetup as an example to direct people to fantasy grounds where you use FG for paid gaming?

ddavison
March 7th, 2018, 01:10
Yes. The rules are just for our forums and our official discord channel.

akito3379
April 22nd, 2018, 03:41
I don't intend to DM for money, but what does rule 2 mean?

"You should not attempt to get users to sign up to an alternate forum and calendar system"

I don't understand the term "calendar system."

damned
April 22nd, 2018, 03:48
I don't intend to DM for money, but what does rule 2 mean?

"You should not attempt to get users to sign up to an alternate forum and calendar system"

I don't understand the term "calendar system."

There is a fantasy grounds game calendar you can use for posting and organising games
If you are going to advertise paid games here you need to use these forums and calendar system for running the game
If you are advertising elsewhere and not here you can do as you please

Flyndad123
October 23rd, 2018, 16:29
WOW,.. really hate to feel like such an idiot, but are there supposed to be "paid" game listings here, or is that in another thread I am having a hard time finding? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Trenloe
October 23rd, 2018, 16:31
WOW,.. really hate to feel like such an idiot, but are there supposed to be "paid" game listings here, or is that in another thread I am having a hard time finding? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Just like most other GM looking for group threads, they should be in the "LFG - Looking for Group" forum, in their own thread. But clearly marked as paid. I've only seen a handful over the last few months, they aren't common.

Mgrancey
October 23rd, 2018, 19:27
This thread got started after someone posted about a "paid" game and there was a big discussion over it and the rules.

spoofer
January 13th, 2019, 15:30
What is the definition of a paid game? If a game master requires a one time fee of a small amount (for example, 10$) to offset her costs, is that considered a paid game and must follow these rules?
If yes, then please explain why (in my opinion, that is not a paid game)? If no, then please explain what us then minimum charge to be considered a paid game?

Thanks,
K.

ddavison
January 13th, 2019, 15:33
What is the definition of a paid game? If a game master requires a one time fee of a small amount (for example, 10$) to offset her costs, is that considered a paid game and must follow these rules?
If yes, then please explain why (in my opinion, that is not a paid game)? If no, then please explain what us then minimum charge to be considered a paid game?

Thanks,
K.

I think the simplest way to define it is to call it a paid game if your game requires any amount of money before you are allowed to join or play.

spoofer
January 14th, 2019, 00:45
But do you mean per session? The OP states "per session".

ddavison
January 14th, 2019, 13:17
Any session. If money is "required" to be exchanged before play, then that pretty much sounds like "paid game" to me. The frequency and amount of payment doesn't change whether or not it is a paid game, it just means whether or not people will think that it is a fairly assessed.

spoofer
January 14th, 2019, 13:34
Thanks for the clarification. You might want to update the OP to clearly define "paid game".

ddavison
January 14th, 2019, 13:45
The OP is correctly worded as-is. The per session was an example of how a paid game might be, not a definition. Are you asking to be paid by players? That pretty much defines it right there.

damned
January 14th, 2019, 13:54
In spoofers game players are asked to contribute towards the cost of the next adventure, one time, on joining the group.

ddavison
January 14th, 2019, 14:06
In spoofers game players are asked to contribute towards the cost of the next adventure, one time, on joining the group.

I understand. That is a paid game. An inexpensive paid game, but still a paid game. If it is a request for funds to help out but not a hard requirement before joining, then you could probably skirt the "paid game" label if that is the concern.

esmdev
January 14th, 2019, 17:05
Sounds like the difference is pretty simple:

1) Paid = Everyone is required to pay to play.
2) Unpaid = Donations are accepted but not mandatory.

Ramza0Tyr
January 14th, 2019, 19:32
Sounds like the difference is pretty simple:

1) Paid = Everyone is required to pay to play.
2) Unpaid = Donations are accepted but not mandatory.

As long as we are spitballing... if I may make an amendment...

1) Paid Game: Any game where anyone is required to pay anything to play.
2) Unpaid Game: Any game that is not a paid game.

Comment on 1): Anyone instead of everyone because I shouldn't be able to skirt the rule by inviting a friend along and not charging her. Also, shouldn't be able to skirt the rule by having one person pay the cost for the group.

Comment on 2): Having created the universe of games I want the rule to apply to, I can simply exclude the rest of the universe from the rule. The definition of unpaid games is, strictly speaking, unnecessary. The rule and who (in this case, what) it applies to is all that is needed. A game where donations are accepted but not required (and payment is not required) is an example of an unpaid game. A game where neither payment nor donations are accepted would also be an example.

spoofer
January 16th, 2019, 21:59
Thank you all for the clarifications.
I will make sure to follow these rules when recruiting for a paid game.

K.

dlaselle
January 17th, 2019, 04:49
I prefer to play "paid games" because money tends to make people more willing to show up and be responsible. I have had more positive gaming experience then free games. I don't charge when I DM but I am considering it because how often players just leave.

dulux-oz
January 17th, 2019, 05:04
I prefer to play "paid games" because money tends to make people more willing to show up and be responsible. I have had more positive gaming experience then free games. I don't charge when I DM but I am considering it because how often players just leave.

That's a fair comment.

I, on the other-hand, have only had 3 people drop out of my games since I started running them on FG, so I suppose I've been "lucky" - mind you, I tend to run "less popular" games (ie non-DnD, non-SW, non-PF) and I go through a reasonably rigourous recruitment/vetting process, so I suppose that cuts down on the pool of "drop-outs" to begin with.

But whatever works for people.

(FTR: As is fairly well know, I am firmly in the anti-paid-games camp.)

spoofer
January 17th, 2019, 05:04
Dlaselle, I could not agree with you more. That is exactly why I charge a one-time fee. I only recently started this, but so far my experience has been very good. It takes longer to find a player, but the players who join seem to be very committed to the game, show up regularly, and email me when they cannot.

Ludus Dominus
January 17th, 2019, 23:44
I am on the FG Discord server and I just had a thought... Now granted I am sure the same rules apply, are you allowed to post in the LFG/LFP channels provided you follow the rules as described for paid games??? The reason I ask is I definitely have no want to make waves as people like to troll and rage... I was just wondering if it is aloud on the discord server???

ddavison
January 18th, 2019, 14:31
Discord should follow the same rules. Paid games are fine as long as everyone follows the same rules. They are less popular than free games, but they are preferred by a percentage of the community and GMs. On Discord, please listen to the moderators as they have final say on what you can or can't do there.

malbranque
May 8th, 2019, 09:25
Discord should follow the same rules. Paid games are fine as long as everyone follows the same rules. They are less popular than free games, but they are preferred by a percentage of the community and GMs. On Discord, please listen to the moderators as they have final say on what you can or check this out (https://gonzosquest-slot.com/) there.

Agree.

damned
May 8th, 2019, 10:28
Agree.

Bye bye.

Granamere
December 7th, 2019, 02:51
Method of payment should be listed and it should not be giving anyone your credit card number or other account information. Maybe paypal, zelle, etc. It would be real bad if someone considered this a safe space and did provide credit card information and was ripped off because of it. If you are spelling out the rules forms of payment is not a bad thing to require.

Also if the DM is planning to post the session online or stream it players should know in advance and have to give consent.

JohnD
December 7th, 2019, 04:01
Method of payment should be listed and it should not be giving anyone your credit card number or other account information. Maybe paypal, zelle, etc. It would be real bad if someone considered this a safe space and did provide credit card information and was ripped off because of it. If you are spelling out the rules forms of payment is not a bad thing to require.

Also if the DM is planning to post the session online or stream it players should know in advance and have to give consent.

Very good, salient points.

Frunobulax
December 11th, 2019, 19:36
People pay for things they "Love" all the time. In fact, it's a time-honored tradition to support the things you love and respect with financial compensation.

This. This is what so many "anti-paid-game" people don't seem to understand. We pay for things we love all the time. We pay DJs and bands to play music, we pay artists for art, we pay TV channels for shows, we pay for that kind of stuff constantly every day. There is no difference between that and gaming. If someone does something very well and is willing to do it for me, then I have zero problem paying them. I view it as not only fair (given all the work involved) but a great deal for me. And the second most important point is, who cares what someone else does? If people pay to play, it does no harm whatsoever to the free-to-play community. I find the "none of your business" argument to be so obvious that I'm surprised it isn't made more in discussion on this topic. I just don't understand... when "anti pay-to-play" people start writing a post on that topic, what outcome are they hoping for? Who are they trying to help? In what way do they think they are helping the community? It seems very paternalistic to me (Sorry, Dulux-OZ, I respect you greatly, but we definitely disagree on this, and I think your extension restrictions are a little unfair.)

I mean, if the anti-paid-games people are so passionate about this, then I assume they are all against the existence of Patreon, too, right? Of supporting the creation of things you like? Patronage has been a part of the creation of art almost since art has existed. Without some folks paying creative people to do their thing, the world would lack most of its artistic treasures. Artists have to eat, too.

I think looking at it from - of all things! - the viewpoint of an economist explains it best. The thing to recognize is that the most important commodity in the world, the most valuable thing there is, the thing you can never buy more of, is time. None of us has enough of it. None of us want to waste it - with the exception, of course, as the old saying goes, that "time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time". So gaming is definitely not wasting time unless you don't enjoy the game you're in. Now, looking at it from the perspective of time as a valuable commodity, let's see how it affects both sides.

As a gamer, I want to play. I want the most fun game I can get. I want a great GM, I want great companions, I want a good experience. Is it possible to get that from free-to-play games? Of course. Absolutely. People do it here hundreds of times a day. But let's be honest - anyone who does much gaming knows darn well that there's a difference between joining any old game and joining a great one. We all have bad experiences from time to time - maybe as bad as a Fascist GM From Hell, or maybe as small as a game just being "meh" - not terrible but not great either. We know there are crappy players and crappy GMs out there. To say otherwise is silly. So, let's face it - while finding a free game is easy, sometimes finding a really great free game can take a long time. It can certainly be done, but after spending years with FG and these forums I can honestly say that of the maybe 15-20 games I've been in, while only a few were awful, also only a few were wonderful. Most were pretty "meh". So, what we take away is that finding really good free games is possible but can take up a lot of time. I don't want to have to spend a long time finding my great games, and I want to play them now, not a long time from now when someday I have a big enough network of GMs and friends to be in mostly great games.

Now look at it from the GM's point of view. If you're a GM, you know that running a great campaign can take a lot of work and a lot of time. Even if you're using a pre-made adventure instead of writing one yourself, the amount of prep work can be staggering, especially if you want your campaign to be really great. There's usually a ton of reading, quite a bit of writing/creation, thought, and planning that goes into it - not to mention the organizational headache of trying to wrangle players into a specific time. It's a lot of work and, frankly, can be a real PITA that outweighs the fun of actually playing. To run a great game, you have to be prepared to dedicate a huge portion of your free time to doing it.

So... players don't want to take the time to find a great game, they want a great one right away. GMs don't want to invest the time unless they are going to have committed players who show up and participate. And when you have one group of people that have something and another group of people who want it, you have a market. And there is definitely a market for paid games. There would be a much better market if people didn't look down on it so much. I personally want a big market in paid games. It would be nice for good GMs to make a little money doing what they love. It would give them incentive to spend more time making their games great. As a player, I would love that market to be huge and active so that I have a whole slew of great games to choose from.

So, in conclusion (finally!) I think everyone should take a look at this from the perspective of what they already do every day. We constantly pay people who are better than us at something to do that thing for us. We pay for entertainment all the time. We watch Hollywood movies when we could watch indy/student films for free. Does that mean there are no good indy/student films? No. It means we don't feel we have the time to watch a lot of them to find the few great ones. Same goes for music, computer games, whatever. As for price, look at what you get for your entertainment dollar. If you go to the movies these days it's hard to get away for less than $20. That's roughly $10 per hour of entertainment - and the movie could suck! If I pay a GM $20 for a 3 or 4 hour game session, I get much better value than from the movie. If the game has five players, the GM makes $100 and the players get a good game. Everyone is happy. Win/win. At that rate a good GM could run a few sessions a week and, maybe not make a living at it, but certainly have some nice extra beer money and have incentive to make their games as awesome as possible. So you might say "$20 for a game session???" I say, "$20 for a movie???" Or $7 for a cup of friggin coffee? Put things in perspective, folks.


I applaud Smiteworks for instituting some guidelines to try to herd this particular cat (since it appears one scratched some people the wrong way)... but I hope they can mange the niche with the neutrality it deserves If anything, Smiteworks should consider opening up a dedicated subforum for paid games where players and GM's can publicly solicit and discuss their experiences without having unwanted aspersions cast at them. Nothing protects a consumer, or exposes a fraud, more than transparency.

I also applaud Smiteworks for intelligently handling this issue by being neutral other than making a few simple rules, and I also think there should be a dedicated subforum for this, with a sticky disclaimer at the top basically saying "We have nothing official to do with any of this."

ddavison
December 11th, 2019, 20:37
I made a sub-form for Paid Games and moved the threads I saw that were obviously paid over to there. That should make it easier to keep the two camps separate. I will add to the first post that if you really don't like paid games, then please stay out of that forum.

Frunobulax
December 11th, 2019, 21:53
I made a sub-form for Paid Games and moved the threads I saw that were obviously paid over to there. That should make it easier to keep the two camps separate. I will add to the first post that if you really don't like paid games, then please stay out of that forum.

Thanks!