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Llyle
July 11th, 2017, 05:39
Hiya guys, so I have basically two big questions and then some minor ones.
(I also have my own tables for fumble effects etc, if people are interested, I might post them at a later point.)


Big questions:

A) Do you use the FG built in Fumble and Crit Effect tables in your game? Either way: Why, what's your reasoning there? What are your experiences in games where they were used? Were they fun or more a nuisance?

B) Do you have other tables than the FG built in ones? Care to share them?

Minor questions:

What exactly do they mean with "until appropriate healing spell cast upon target"? What would be an appropriate healing spell?

What's with all this slashing/blunt/piercing weapon stuff? I mean sometimes it is kind of obvious which is what, but sometimes it's not. Does this even belong in 4e?

#14 The arm get's a penalty to all checks? So the DM alwas has to decide if something has to be done with both arms, because the player will always just use the other arm?

#17 "...permanently granting combat advantage to opponents approaching from that side. " How to decide and always track which way the character is facing at all times?

#18 "...and movement reduced to 1/4 speed and target will have permanent limp (-2 speed) as after effect..." What's the duration of the 1/4 speed?

#19 "...and a -1 penalty to combat ..." What is a penalty to combat???

#14 / #20 Does all checks mean all Skill checks and Ability checks, or also attacks/initiative etc?

Aren't #13 to #20 a bit too harsh? A PC hit by any of those is probably not worth playing anymore... unless healed properly, what ever that means. Take a Wizard with -4 to INT permanently. Or missing a hand or leg, really?


So just that everyone knows what we're talking about, here is the crit table as it is in FG:

Critical Hit Effect Table (1d20)

1 KNOCKDOWN
In addition to standard critical hit damage, you knock the target prone.

2 HAMSTRING
In addition to standard critical hit damage, you hamstring the target. The target is slowed (save ends).

3 TURN THE TIDE
In addition to standard critical hit damage, you gain combat advantage against all enemies on the battlefield until the end of your next turn.

4 EYE GOUGE
In addition to standard critical hit damage, your target is blinded until the end of its next turn.

5 FORCEFUL BLOW
In addition to standard critical hit damage, your target is dazed until the end of its next turn.

6 STUNNING BLOW
In addition to standard critical hit damage, your target is stunned until the end of its next turn.

7 PARRY
In addition to standard critical hit damage to your target, you gain +2 to all your defenses against attacks from the target until the end of your next turn.

8 GAPING WOUND
In addition to standard critical hit damage, the target takes ongoing 5 +1/2 your level damage (round up).

9 PRESSURE POINT
In addition to standard critical hit damage, the target is Weakened (save ends).

10 OPPORTUNITY
In addition to standard critical hit damage to your target, you may take an extra standard action this turn.

11 KNOCKOUT BLOW
In addition to standard critical hit damage, you knock the target Unconcious (save or target taking damage ends).

12 EVISCERATE
You do two standard critical hits to the target.

13 DECAPITATION
Your target's head is decapitated (slashing weapon), crushed (blunt weapon) or pierced (piercing weapon) or (if weapon was a spell) some effect to the head related to the type of attack that will likely leave target dead. If this action is not possible due to nature of the target, you do standard critical damage and gain an action point, instead.

14 APPENDAGE BLOW
In addition to standard critical damage, your target loses a finger (slashing weapon), breaks fingers (blunt weapon) or has arm muscle punctured (piercing weapon) or (if weapon was a spell) some effect to the fingers or arm related to the type of attack. 50% chance of either main or offhand. This hand or arm will suffer a -2 penalty on all checks for 4 weeks or until appropriate healing spell cast upon target. If this action is not possible due to the nature of the target, then in addition to standard critical damage, you gain an action point instead.

15 WRIST BLOW
The targets' hand is removed at the wrist (slashing weapon) or wrist broken (blunt weapon) or wrist pierced (piercing weapon) or (if weapon was a spell) some effect to wrist related to the type of damage. 50% chance of either main or offhand. Wrist is incapacitated in any case. If this action is not possible due to the nature of the target, then in addition to standard critical damage, you gain an action point instead.

16 MIGHTY BLOW
You do three standard critical hits to the target.

17 HEAD BLOW
In addition to standard critical hit, the target loses an ear (slashing weapon) or an eye (piercing weapon), or blow to the skull (blunt weapon) or (if weapon was a spell) some effect related to the type of attack. 50% of left or right side. Loss of ear or eye both result in permanently granting combat advantage to opponents approaching from that side. Blow to the head permanently reduces intelligence by 4 and knocks target Unconcious (save ends). If this action is impossible due to the nature of the target, then you do standard critical hit damage and gain an action point, instead.

18 KNEE HIT
In addition to standard critical damage, your targets leg is cut off at the knee (slashing weapon) and falls prone or knee is broken (blunt weapon) and movement reduced to 1/4 speed and target will have permanent limp (-2 speed) as after effect or knee is split (piercing weapon) and target falls and movement reduced to 1/2 speed or (if weapon is spell) some effect to the knee related to the type of attack. If this action is impossible due to the nature of the target, then you do standard critical damage and gain an action point, instead.

19 BODY BLOW
In addition to standard critical damage, your targets lung is slashed (slashing weapon) or pierced (piercing weapon) or ribs are broken (blunt weapon). All of these result in being stunned for 2 rounds and a -1 penalty to combat until healed with appropriate healing spell. 50% chance of right or left side. If this action is impossible due to the nature of the target, then you do standard critical damage and gain an action point, instead.

20 SHOULDER BLOW
In addition to standard critical damage, your targets arm is cut off at the shoulder (slashing weapon) and target is stunned for 2 rounds or shoulder is broken (blunt weapon) and target is stunned for 2 rounds or shoulder is torn (piercing weapon) and target is stunned for 2 rounds or (if weapon was a spell) some effect to shoulder related to the type of attack. 50% chance of main or off hand. Broken or torn shoulders will result in a permanent -2 to all checks until healed with appropriate healing spell. If this action is impossible due to the nature of the target, you do standard critical hit damage and gain an action point, instead.

Regards, Llyle

Llyle
July 11th, 2017, 05:40
(post was too long, so two posts)

Further minor questions:

#3 "...-2 penalty to attack rolls against target until you successfully hit target with an attack" Do they mean that target or until I hit any target with an attack?

#7 seems a bit harsh.

#12 seems harsh, too. PC attacks deal more dmg than monster attacks. I didn't do the maths here, but I guess that could kill a PC outright, if they're low on HP at the time and if it's a striker attack. Not to speak of #19...

#16 "...-4 penalty ..." I guess that means penalty to AC?

#17 "...and -4 to all actions..." Do they mean to all rolls?


Here is the fumble table as it is in FG:

Fumble Effect Table (1d20)

1 BALANCE LOST
You fall Prone.

2 BUTTERFINGERS
You throw your weapon/implement 1d4 squares in a random direction

3 EMBARRASSED
You recieve a -2 penalty to attack rolls against target until you successfully hit target with an attack

4 PULLED MUSCLE
You are weakened until end of your next turn

5 FATIGUED
You are dazed until end of your next turn

6 OVEREXTENDED
You are stunned until the end of your next turn

7 ITEM BROKE
Your Weapon/Implement is broken

8 COUNTER ATTACKED
The target hits you with a basic attack. If this action is impossible, your original target gains an action point

9 BAD AIM
You hit an Ally with a basic attack. If this action is impossible, your original target gains an action point

10 CRITICAL COUNTER
The target critically hits you with a basic attack. If this action is impossible, your original target gains an action point

11 FRIENDLY FIRE
You critically hit an ally with a basic attack. If this action is impossible, your original target gains an action point

12 SUICIDE STRIKE
You critically hit yourself with same attack you fumbled with, receiving all negative conditions and effects of the attack

13 ANKLE TWIST
You twist your ankle and have 1/2 movement speed and cannot charge for 1d4+1 rounds

14 DISLOCATION
A forceful pop in your shoulder is is heard as your arm goes limp. The arm you used to make the attack is incapacitated for 1d4 + 6 rounds

15 KNEE POP
Your knee hyperextends awkwardly. You have 1/4 movement speed and cannot charge for 1d4 + 6 rounds

16 WRONG STRAP
In an embarrasing move, you cut loose part of your armor and receive a -4 penalty until armor is fixed. Fixing the armor will require 3 rounds of performing no other action

17 STAGGERING IN PAIN
Your opponent parries your awkward attack that causes you to hit yourself in the groin. You have 1/2 movement and -4 to all actions for 1d6 + 4 rounds. If this action is impossible, your original target receives an action point

18 SPELL BACKLASH
Your spell feeds back to you, doing its damage and effects on yourself. If this action is impossible, your original opponent receives an action point

19 GROUND ZERO
Your not sure what happened, but your spell blew up in your face. You do critical damage and effects in a close burst 2. This effects everyone inside of the close burst including you. If this action is impossible, your original target gains an action point

20 BLINDED BY YOUR OWN BLOOD
You hit yourself in the head causing a minor flesh wound (4 damage) and you are blinded by blood flowing into your eyes for 1d4 rounds.

Regards, Llyle

Maldev
April 25th, 2018, 15:13
I did have a play with the in game tables, but found them a bit harsh.
I have been using 4E specific tables and have experimented with them as tables in FG. (Still setting them up)
Your questions regarding the tables effects are valid. [ Some of the effects are a bit vague or too deadly!]
I don't have a problem with breaking gear, as long as it is in context. i.e A magic weapon being damaged/destroyed would require a magical effect to do so(e.g. magical fire etc.)

Llyle
April 25th, 2018, 19:11
Ah nice! What 4e specific table are you using, care to share?

If a character's weapon breaks, do you let them repair it, or is it just lost then?

Maldev
April 26th, 2018, 01:21
You bet, find attached. If a weapon breaks and a character was attached/invested to the weapon then no problem, It could be made into an adventure/quest to find someone capable of repairing/reforging it. It really depends on the player(s).
I know with 4E, losing a weapon/implement is/can be a bigger deal than with previous editions. It depends on the group you are in.

rob2e
April 26th, 2018, 02:27
The most popular by far of my DMs Guild Items is my 200 entry crit and 200 entry fumble tables. Great fun!

Maldev
April 26th, 2018, 02:39
Well, no more suspense.... Care to share? I love Crit/Fumble tables
Disregard, I just had a look at your youtube channel and found them. Good work :)

rob2e
April 26th, 2018, 02:56
Well, no more suspense.... Care to share? I love Crit/Fumble tables
Disregard, I just had a look at your youtube channel and found them. Good work :)

Also 200 entry Wild Magic Surge, and 65 other greatest hits.

spite
April 26th, 2018, 03:06
Personally I dislike fumble tables, so do not use them. However critical tables I use.
When running a 4e game using Hero points I use this table https://puu.sh/Aau6c/03c838959b.png
When running a 4e game that doesn't use Hero points I use this table https://puu.sh/Aausq/41339eb486.jpg


I made both of these, you are welcome to steal form them, or berate them as you wish.

Maldev
April 26th, 2018, 04:04
Cool, thanks. I won't berate them as I love people's individual slant on things. Cheers