View Full Version : Totally in the dark but interested

July 14th, 2016, 22:20
Background, i played AD&D from late '79 to 91. 1e, 1.5e & eventually 2e. Later in late 90s tried a few months of 3e which was fine (basic books pre PF days) but we moved again and...

Played 1 game of 5e so far, in person, was fun. it's hard to get us all together these days (I'm 51...so too many "grown up" (bah) responsibilities) I did one FG game at FGCon8 (signed up for 3 but 2 DMs blew it off) and am heavily into coding a Par5e like tool (I'm a C++ software dev, using it as an excuse to write my first Java app) and have ALL the 5e stuff and some other adventures from 3rd party cos I lust over the old days and playing :p hope to actually play online before end of summer.

I didn't know anything about C&C other than seeing it referenced at times in The Compleat Strategist stores here in Manhattan back in the day. it is only recently when I stumbled across OSRIC and bought Adventures Deep and Dark to see what the guy tried to do with AD&D that I read some comparisons of those two with C&C and I was like...heeeey C&C is on FG.

I wondered if it was a "first class" (read about less automation, I meant like as in still supported and kept up to date with underlying core FG updates) RulesetData or like some I heard that were no longer updated.

in any event, at 10$ (no reason to be sad about missing the 25% sale at least) if it's kind of "like" 1e, it may be cool to get.

I am soooooo envious of John and his time and skill to be able to convert ToEE. I'd kill to play in that, we did up to a little of first floor back in 80's. I wish there was a module I could buy of that adventure for any Ruleset!

So, is this a "kept up to date" Ruleset?

Is there a (hopefully SMALL) set of PDFs to get to learn it (already spent enough recently in other PDFs) - I expect the rules are in the Ruleset but I'd like somethings I can instead read on my iPad vs being at the pic which I soooo rarely am these days with work and little boy taking my time.


(the totally clueless guy who should have known about C&C decades ago...)

July 14th, 2016, 22:40
You don't need to buy the ruleset to play in someone else's game. I have a slot in my Tuesday night C&C game if you're interested, you can try it out for a few weeks to see if you like it without spending any money. Here are the "quickstart" rules: http://www.trolllord.com/downloads/pdfs/cnc_qs.pdf

July 15th, 2016, 00:14
You can pick up C&C really quickly.

In one game session for 80% of it really.

July 15th, 2016, 01:10
I'm not saying it for that reason, but to have the docs in general so I can grok it as well as look at converting some old modules I hav to test that out.

I'm surprised you didn't need the Ruleset to play, but the 10$ is the least of my investment worries. just wanted to know how many books are out there to get for this. is it old school ADD level of 3 books or like 3.5 of 177 books... ;)

July 15th, 2016, 01:11
ok found the website.

July 15th, 2016, 01:22
I'm surprised you didn't need the Ruleset to play, but the 10$ is the least of my investment worries. just wanted to know how many books are out there to get for this. is it old school ADD level of 3 books or like 3.5 of 177 books... ;)

With Fantasy Grounds, the GM provides the ruleset and all the books. You can buy a bunch, but all you *need* to play C&C is the PHB, which comes with the ruleset. "Monsters and Treasures" is also handy for the CK, as is the "Castle Keeper's Guide".

July 15th, 2016, 01:37
I play in Andraaxs in his Tuesday game and it's great. C&C was the first rule set I played since AD&A and it was my first campaign on fantasy grounds.

July 15th, 2016, 01:39
I have a tentative game on Saturday evening if the Imperial Guard (wife) doesn't intervene. You and anyone else are more than welcome to observe if it goes ahead.

July 15th, 2016, 02:48
Saturday may work for me. Ima total noob with FG as well only used it one time to play. I have couple hundred hours on it prob from just writing a new parser tho lol and looking at the code.

Assuming it is Saturday late in EST day or evening (if it's really late, that's fine too) I can make it. For only 10 clams I'll pick up the rule set anyway. I'll hold off on other FG related things until have need.

I just wanted to be sure was a supported rule set first and as soon as I visited this forum I realized it was at least busy :)

Let me know, if I can make the time - let me know what I might be playing assuming it is pregen. I'll read the QuickStart.

July 15th, 2016, 03:04
Eep lol just looked things available, figures too good to be true, rule set is $10 but I guess equivalent of ding is $27 (still less than 5e dmg but I got that because I knew I had my old gro to play with) I missed the Steam sale not knowing what C&C was until after sale ended. No big, I can wait until November, not like I get lots of time to play and have 5e to keep me busy also.

I will still get the ruler since its only a loss of 2.50 ;)

July 15th, 2016, 05:05
The CKG is nice to have but not essential. The base ruleset is all you need if you want to run a game.

July 15th, 2016, 10:29
For the first four printings of Castles&Crusades there was no Caste Keepers Guide. The CKG is 100% optional. Ive got 3 copies of the damn thing and never opened it once :)
Buy it for the $10 and you will find it contains everything you need and it is well maintained.

July 15th, 2016, 22:54
I did buy it last night :)
I won't need options until/after I ever run it for my family or family/friends in future. I'm just a completist...i.e...a bit obsessive-compulsive. As I am still working on software, that won't be for a bit.

July 17th, 2016, 19:48

If you find yourself wanting the hardcovers of any C&C Products, send me a PM. I've put my C&C books into storage, and don't see myself needing them again.

I backed all the C&C Kickstarters up to Lost City of Gaxmoor.

So if you're looking for Gaxmoor, Three Sisters (Keeper/Player/Monster), Airhde, etc. Let me know.


July 17th, 2016, 23:49
Gaxmoor.... that sounds evocative ;) Although, I thought I recalled that Blackmoor was Kuntz thing or Arneson? vs Gygax.

I'm definitely going to want to get PDFs in the future, books are tricky because I am early home with time to read. I get most of my reading on commute and sometimes in bed before sleep. hardcovers are too bulky I carry around. I LOVE the hardcovers for RPGs but.. . between cost and needing the PDFs in addition, it doesn't make sense to buy the main 3 (player, monster, DMG/ckg) set twice.

I hear there's a sale on drivethru in few days (too bad spent on the retro ADD books just before the site sale. but dunno if I feel in a position to buy them this time around. I have spent quite a bit on RPG and house stuff (prime day Amazon) recently.

July 31st, 2016, 18:34
Jumping in on this late...My first real foray into Fantasy Grounds has been C&C (I play in John D's game), and I absolutely love it. For me, it captures the old school feeling very, very well. I'm working on running my first tabletop/face-to-face game of C&C after having picked up a fair amount of C&C stuff at last year's GenCon..I'm going to convert the GDQ1-7 Queen of Spiders and run it for some old school fun.