Fantasy Grounds on Steam Greenlight

[ddavison]

No, you did NOT price-match the items. I live in Sweden, so I have the Euro pricing on Steam (usually so unfair). So instead of paying 48.71€ on steam, I just bought the exact same items from you for $48.75. That made me save nearly 27% :D
So, in short words: I love you Doug :P
Now I own Savage Words Delux ruleset, Savage Worlds Adventure deck, Deadlands Reloaded: Marshall's Handbook and Extension and Deadlands Reloaded: Player's Handbook :)

By the way. Regarding some earlier post from Nylanfs. I did not buy the Ultimate license. Just the Full one!

Well, I wish I could take credit for that, but I think that is just the difference on how Steam and Paypal each handle currency conversions. I'm glad it worked out for you.

[ddavison]

Pricing-wise, as long as we can get the Ultimate posted on Steam, it will sell for $149.99 on Steam. I am so far planning to do a 25% launch discount on Steam for each product as it gets released. Those run for a week by default.

[damned]

Well there goes any ultimate sales for now!

[nezzir]

I had already keyed my Ultimate license in - it just said, "Fantasy Grounds". Now that the system is capable of recognizing my key as Ultimate, how do I get Steam to recognize it as such?

[damned]

Steam doesn't recognise different licenses yet. Functionality is accurate it just doesn't display in your steam game list as such.

[nezzir]

Off topic, but is there a thread somewhere that discusses the project in your sig? I would totally support that but I'm not familiar with Verkami.

[Trenloe]

Off topic, but is there a thread somewhere that discusses the project in your sig? I would totally support that but I'm not familiar with Verkami.
https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forums/showthread.php?19549-New-project-Ruleset-wizard

[nezzir]

I'm in. I'll sign up and commit after I do a little research - thx :)

[Mask_of_winter]

This is what I can read on the community hub for Fantasy Grounds on Steam: "Most popular community and official game content for the past week." :) Congrats Doug and Moon Wizard!

[hawkwind]

I dont seem to be able to buy the mutants and masterminds rule set despite having a full licence, Steam only shows me as having a demo

[hawkwind]

worked it out how to activate my licence...

[ddavison]

Glad you got it sorted out. For anyone else following, yes, you need to activate your license using your existing key if you purchased it before we went live on Steam.

[hawkwind]

so i brought the mutants and master minds ruleset only to find I now get the following error message when i try to start FG in steam "Failed to Start Game (Missing Executable)" I followed the instructions shown in Steams help files to no avail. FG loads normally but without my newly purchased rule set

[gandhi39]

Will the Full to Ultimate License Upgrade be sold on steam?

[Trenloe]

so i brought the mutants and master minds ruleset only to find I now get the following error message when i try to start FG in steam "Failed to Start Game (Missing Executable)" I followed the instructions shown in Steams help files to no avail. FG loads normally but without my newly purchased rule set
If you haven't tried this already, try right-clicking on FG in your steam library and select delete local content. This will just delete the basic steam FG launcher files, not anything to do with your normal FG install.

Then double click on the FG entry in your library to reinstall.

[Moon Wizard]

The Full to Ultimate upgrade sold on FG store will work for FG versions originally purchased on Steam.

We're still figuring out whether we can set up the Full to Ultimate upgrade on Steam the way we want to.

Regards,
JPG

[Dr0W]

The Full to Ultimate upgrade sold on FG store will work for FG versions originally purchased on Steam.

We're still figuring out whether we can set up the Full to Ultimate upgrade on Steam the way we want to.

Regards,
JPG

As a long term Steam user the way you guys really want (showing up as Fantasy Grounds Ultimate) isn't likely to happen. There are literally hundreds of games and softwares that have an "ultimate" version and none of them show up as a different game, they're just a DLC you can purchase. I can't see this happening exclusively to Fantasy Grounds just because some users want it this way. Not to disencourage you guys to ask Steam to do it but it seems to be a lot of work. Ultimate License could be put there as a simple DLC for FG. Yea, I'd LOVE that it would show up as FG Ultimate for me, but it doesn't seem practical.

[Qai]

Plan B: The devs create an official "unofficial" Steam group that is invite-only and called Fantasy Grounds Ultimate License Holders.

Joking aside, I don't mind that it just says "Fantasy Grounds". Afterall, that IS what it is. The license only determines the extent of functionality; it doesn't change the fact that it is "Fantasy Grounds".

When you first install Windows, you aren't loading "Windows Non-Genuine" and then once you activate it (i.e., purchase the license to use it) you are now using "Windows Genuine". You are always using "Windows" plain and simple and it is the extent of functionality that is controlled by the licensing. I don't see FG being any different and the need for Steam to indicate otherwise.

[grimm182]

If people want to show off that they are the proud owner of an Ulitmate lic...then have steam make a Badge for those users (or other Steam item) to show off. :)

[Valarian]

Badges are a good idea. Can we have badges for the commercial rulesets (Savage Worlds, Castles & Crusades, Call of Cthulhu, BRP).

[dulux-oz]

OK, I gotta say it (even though I don't believe it):

BADGES!?! WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' BADGES!

Sorry about that, folks :p

Actually, I think its a good idea.

Cheers

[S Ferguson]

I think badges would be quite acceptable. Badges... gosh, I love badges.

Cheers,
SF

[ddavison]

Hmmm... now I need to read up on Badges.

I've bought a lot of games on Steam for my alt account -- but I haven't actually had much time to play them. I'm lucky enough if I get them installed. Otherwise, I think I can best be described as a Game Collector. Often times, I think I've bought the same game through Steam that I already own simply to add it to my collection and because I liked it.

Badges sound like a good idea if I can figure out what needs to be done.

[Zeus]

Badges sound like a good idea if I can figure out what needs to be done.

Hit me up if you'd like some assistance on the art side Doug. I can mock up some badge assets over this weekend.

[EDIT]: Here's a couple of quick examples - standard license / ultimate license:

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[grimm182]

Ooooh...i DO like the badges idea to also show what (official) Rulesets a license holder owns...that allows others to easily see what their RPG interests are...I think modules owned maybe too much info...but Rulesets...yea! :)

[ddavison]

Badges on Steam seem to be linked pretty heavily to trading cards and your Steam account level. There is a whole other collectible side that people evidently get into and as a publisher on Steam, it looks like we would need to adopt the whole thing. I don't think that is necessarily bad. It doesn't personally appeal to me to try to collect digital items to complete badges, but evidently a lot of Steam users like it. What I'm reading seems like you can give digital trading cards whenever items are purchased or by playing the game and these have various rarity levels. Completing a set of cards allows you to trade it in for a badge and there are then 6 different levels of badges. When people collect enough badges, they level up on Steam. (Scratches Head)

[Valarian]

You also seem to get badges for "in-game achievements". Not sure what these are, but could logging in or starting a campaign with an official ruleset be one of them?

[Zeus]

Badges on Steam seem to be linked pretty heavily to trading cards and your Steam account level. There is a whole other collectible side that people evidently get into and as a publisher on Steam, it looks like we would need to adopt the whole thing. I don't think that is necessarily bad. It doesn't personally appeal to me to try to collect digital items to complete badges, but evidently a lot of Steam users like it. What I'm reading seems like you can give digital trading cards whenever items are purchased or by playing the game and these have various rarity levels. Completing a set of cards allows you to trade it in for a badge and there are then 6 different levels of badges. When people collect enough badges, they level up on Steam. (Scratches Head)

Its all part of the social networking of the platform and a means for Valve and publishers to reward and recognise users of their products. It helps build the social micro-community with the Steam macro-community. In much the same way its akin to console platform achievement systems ala XboxLive (Gamerscore/points) and PSN (Trophies).

Its all about bragging rights. :p Mines bigger than yours ...

[ddavison]

You also seem to get badges for "in-game achievements". Not sure what these are, but could logging in or starting a campaign with an official ruleset be one of them?

I believe you can set rewards for various things. We may be limited in how flexible we can be since we don't integrate tightly with the Steam API with our current approach. The Workshop tool will integrate with Steam, so it's possible that doing things with the workshop might provide some additional rewards.

[Qai]

Some clarifications...

There is only ONE Steam badge PER GAME. Badges are NOT associated with DLC. Essentially, if it appears in your Steam "Library" as an explicit entry, then you can have a badge for it.

There are 5 "levels" for a badge (some badges are unlimited, but I think those ones are controlled strictly by Valve for their own promotional stuff. Otherwise, all other devs have 5). You level up a badge by collecting "trading cards". By combining cards, you "craft" a badge. This promotes the level of your badge and gives you Steam "xp" to advance your overall general Steam "level". The developers set how many cards are needed to craft a badge. Cards can either be sold or traded. Once you've crafted a higher level badge, that badge replaces your previous one. At any one time you only ever have ONE badge. Each new levelled badge has some slightly different artwork to distinguish it from the previous level. For example, Zeus provided two badges. The level 1 badge could look like just the plain shield. The level 2 badge adds the laurel. The level 3 badge adds the laurel + crown, etc.

Then there are what's called "achievements". These show on your profile what you have actually accomplished within the game, for example, created a campaign, used a macro for throwing dice, etc. It's in this section that you can also have DLC as "achievements". The list can be expanded indifinitely at any time by the devs.

[Zeus]

... There are 5 "levels" for a badge (some badges are unlimited, but I think those ones are controlled strictly by Valve for their own promotional stuff. Otherwise, all other devs have 5). You level up a badge by collecting "trading cards". By combining cards, you "craft" a badge. This promotes the level of your badge and gives you Steam "xp" to advance your overall general Steam "level". The developers set how many cards are needed to craft a badge. Cards can either be sold or traded. Once you've crafted a higher level badge, that badge replaces your previous one. At any one time you only ever have ONE badge. Each new levelled badge has some slightly different artwork to distinguish it from the previous level. For example, Zeus provided two badges. The level 1 badge could look like just the plain shield. The level 2 badge adds the laurel. The level 3 badge adds the laurel + crown, etc.

Ah I see, in that case ...

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[ddavison]

Those look nice

[ddavison]

Okay, Fantasy Grounds should now be installable for Mac users on Steam.

That also means the Activate a Product option should work as well for those of you who already have a license. Please give it a shot and let me know if it works as expected. Both the demo and the full version work, although right now you need to click the Check for Updates right away.

[Zeus]

Okay, Fantasy Grounds should now be installable for Mac users on Steam.

That also means the Activate a Product option should work as well for those of you who already have a license. Please give it a shot and let me know if it works as expected. Both the demo and the full version work, although right now you need to click the Check for Updates right away.

All working my side Doug. Downloaded and Installed Fantasy Grounds for Mac and activated my Ultimate license. All tickety boo ...
One thing to note: In Settings enabling Check Steam for DLC causes the Updater to fail with an error:

Unable to access Steam client. Please login to Steam, and update again, or disable Steam DLC option in Settings. Error during update check.

[ddavison]

Unable to access Steam client. Please login to Steam, and update again, or disable Steam DLC option in Settings. Error during update check.


Ooh, that's not good. I'm wondering if we need to include a Mac compliant version of the steam_api.dll for that to work or if we'll need to call it differently.

[Zeus]

Hmm. It works if I am in Test mode v3.0.4 but not Live mode v3.0.3. Does v3.0.3 have support for Steam DLC?

[lumito]

Hi we have an awesome new group on steam
Just click the link in my Signature ;)

[OneSidedDie]

Got mine activated just now works like a charm so far. I can't wait for the Workshop to get up and running.

[FlynnTheAvatar]

I tried to install Fantasy Grounds on Steam for Mac, but I did something strange and now Steam does no longer downloads FantasyGrounds.app. Neither verify integrity of game cache nor re-installing does help.

This is what I did:
1) Installed the Mac demo (but it did not start)
2) Deleted local game content (of Demo)
3) Activated my Fantasy Grounds II key on Steam

Since step 3, I can install Fantasy Grounds, but Steam simply does not download anything.

[damned]

Doh!
Why did you do Step 2?
You can download and install direct from this website.
I dont have a Mac so Im not sure how the Steam wrapper impacts but have you tried uninstalling FG from within the Mac OS?

[FlynnTheAvatar]

Well, the Steam wrapper did not work, so I tried whatever you are told first from any support staff: re-install it. I did not thought that I will not download a second time.

[damned]

Im not having a go at you - just asking.
The way you have written it sounds like you

Deleted local game content (of Demo)
deleted all or part of it outside of the usual install/uninstall?

Have you tried Uninstalling it?

[FlynnTheAvatar]

Steam deleted only the FantasyGrounds.app (Wineskin Wrapper + FG installation) in "Library/Application Support/Steam/SteamApps/common/Fantasy Grounds". I did not see any other files created/deleted by Steam.

I still have my main installation in a CrossOver Bottle, but this totally seperate from Steam. CrossOver knows nothing of Steam and the other way round.

[FlynnTheAvatar]

To be clear, I used the Steam function "Delete local Content..." of Steam to "uninstall" the Demo. Normally, this is the correct way to remove games from Steam.

[damned]

You might need Moon Wizard...
I would also post over in: https://www.fantasygrounds.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?41-The-House-of-Healing as well...

[Zeus]

Try this. Log out of Steam and then Log back in. Right click FantasyGrounds in your Library and select Install Game. If that doesn't work, navigate to the Store FantasyGrounds entry and re-download the Mac .app.

Once the .app wrapper has downloaded and installed, it should work - be warned the first time you launch FG it takes a minute or two before the launcher window appears. When it does, make sure you go into settings and update.

[Trenloe]

To be clear, I used the Steam function "Delete local Content..." of Steam to "uninstall" the Demo. Normally, this is the correct way to remove games from Steam.
Yeah, that is the correct way.

In fact, this has been mentioned a few times as something to try with problem installations - you did nothing wrong.

[FlynnTheAvatar]

Thanks Zeus,

but sadly, this does not help. Things I already tried:
- Delete Local Content, Log out, Log in, Install FG -> Steam shows Fantasy Grounds as "installed", but .app wrapper is missing
- Delete Local Content, Log out, Reboot, Log in, Install FG -> Steam shows Fantasy Grounds as "installed", but .app wrapper is missing
- Log out, deleted all Steam files in Library/Application Support/Steam, Log in, Install FG -> Steam shows Fantasy Grounds as "installed", but .app wrapper is missing

Steams shows it downloaded FG, but the status is "DOWNLOADED: 0 bytes/0 bytes".

I simply cannot get Steam to re-download the app wrapper correctly :(

[Zeus]

I had a similar problem the other day, but logging out and logging back in cleared it for me.

All I can suggest is re-downloading from the Store (not the Library entry). Also - check the download region your Steam client is set to (Preferences).

Z.

[Eru the One]

I play on PC, but I do have 2 Mac computers and tried to install FG on both to see if I could help. I have the same problem Flynn is reporting.

[Zeus]

There maybe a problem Steam side, as I am getting "Failed to Contact Key Server" if I try and launch FG through Steam. Launching FG via Finder/SteamApps works fine.

[ddavison]

Hey guys, the only problem I can think of is that I turned the Ultimate upgrade DLC active in the store, but it only had Windows PC keys loaded at the time instead of having some set for All Platforms or Mac keys. The builds had not changed since it was tested as working yesterday. I've since added some "All Platform" keys and it seems to be working for me at the moment. I hate to ask, but would you mind testing again?

[Zeus]

Yup, all good again my side.

[damned]

To be clear, I used the Steam function "Delete local Content..." of Steam to "uninstall" the Demo. Normally, this is the correct way to remove games from Steam.

Phew! Sorry for muddying the waters Flynn!

[Eru the One]

Tried on both machines and I still get 0/0 bytes downloaded on both machines. I have removed Steam twice, cleaned up the Library/Application Support/Steam directories, logged all machines (PC & Mac) out of Steam, re-installed, but still get nothing to download. I can install other PC & Mac games from Steam without any issue, so I don't believe it is all a Steam issue.

[FlynnTheAvatar]

For me, it seems to be a problem on Steam's side. I just installed a fresh copy of OS X (VM) and then installed Steam. Still cannot download the wrapper (0/0 bytes downloaded).

[damned]

Hey Flynn - I see another Mac user posted something similar on https://steamcommunity.com/app/252690/discussions/2/540742667413777969/ so there does seem to still be a problem with the Mac installer.

[Nylanfs]

What about downloading the prog from here and installing it. Then run the Steam install?

[Dakadin]

I'm not very familiar with Mac but one other thing to check is to make sure there isn't a security program blocking it.

[ddavison]

Eru and Flynn, is the common issue between the two of you that you both used the Activate a Product option? Can you post roughly what time and day this might have occurred? I'm still wondering if you two (and a few others) got caught in the middle of the license key change-over somehow.

I'm not sure if I will hear back from Steam until Tuesday during normal business hours for them. If I hear back sooner, I'll be sure to update everyone here and on the Steam forums. If anyone else has been successful on the Mac, please let me know as well. That information may be helpful in resolving the issue too.

[Eru the One]

I already had it activated for PC (when PC went live), I was just trying to help out Flynn with his problem since I have Macs as well and wanted to get a Steam version of FG loaded on them as well.

[FlynnTheAvatar]

Hi Doug, I activated it on May 23rd in the late evening (probably around 10pm CEST). I could download the FG Mac Demo shortly before that.

[ddavison]

Hello everyone, I have good news. The Activate a Product option for Mac users should now be working. If you've already activated it, you should be able to Delete Local Content and re-install to get it to work on Mac. Our Valve contact got back with me and showed me that there was one additional package labeled as ThirdParty Retail which needed to have the Mac files added to it. Previously, I had only noticed Beta, Development and Retail. Since we have 24 or so different products, we have nearly 75 different packages and this and others which have third-party keys actually have a fourth package each.

Thanks for everyone's patience and for letting us know of the issue. Please let us know if you have any further issues.

Also, it may be necessary to quit out of Steam entirely and then come back in before your client sees the new files.

[Liktorn]

Any news regarding us that bought the game after the keys was sent to Steam? I'm trying to activate now and then, but still not working.

[ddavison]

Liktorn, not yet. Since I just got back a response, I sent a short follow up to ask about this issue again. Hopefully I will hear back right away.

[Eru the One]

Worked for me on both machines :).

[FlynnTheAvatar]

Same here. Started Steam and it correctly downloaded the Wineskin wrapper. Works great. Thank you very much.

[Nylanfs]

Huzzah!

[Liktorn]

Liktorn, not yet. Since I just got back a response, I sent a short follow up to ask about this issue again. Hopefully I will hear back right away.

Great!

[darkling]

If we own Ultimate, are we going to have the Ultimate package added to our Steam account? Or how is this going to work?

[ddavison]

The Ultimate key can activate the version we sell on Steam and when you launch, Fantasy Grounds will recognize that your key is an Ultimate Key and run that as usual. The Ultimate we sell on Steam only provides an updated Key. All the files are the same and functionality is opened up once inside the app when running with an Ultimate key.

[ddavison]

Liktorn,

I heard back and I will be able to send periodic key updates for Valve to load in for activation. I will do this once a week if possible on Fridays - starting this Friday.

-Doug

[Liktorn]

Liktorn,

I heard back and I will be able to send periodic key updates for Valve to load in for activation. I will do this once a week if possible on Fridays - starting this Friday.

-Doug

That is excellent! Looking forward to activating it :-D

[Thete]

The Ultimate key can activate the version we sell on Steam and when you launch, Fantasy Grounds will recognize that your key is an Ultimate Key and run that as usual. The Ultimate we sell on Steam only provides an updated Key. All the files are the same and functionality is opened up once inside the app when running with an Ultimate key.

Thanks for all this work. How can I make steam recognise my ultimate license as DLC, also will it recognise the CoC ruleset as DLC that a bought many moons ago?

[damned]

You can enter your Ultimate License into the Steam Demo and it will show up as Steam DLC - dont think it shows as Ultimate though.
Your CoC should also come across once you enter your license.

[ddavison]

If you bought your Ultimate license before May 9th, it will allow you to activate a product on Steam to unlock Fantasy Grounds. There is no difference between the Ultimate and the regular version of FG in the base files. Once you enter your license key into your settings, it will unlock the Ultimate functionality. For CoC, or anything you've purchased from our Store, just put in your FG forum username and password in the settings of FG and it will download those. If you purchased them from Steam instead, it will download from there.

[ddavison]

Steam activation keys have been updated through yesterday. Full and Ultimate licenses can Activate on Steam.

[hawkwind]

is there any usable viop built into steam that is worth using or should the community just keep using team speak?

[ddavison]

While there is support on Steam for in-game voice, we opted not to use that feature since it would prevent people from gaming with people who were not running through Steam. We thought it was best not to segment the audience. The existing options, such as Teamspeak, Skype, Google Hangouts are all still recommended.

[RTFallen]

Razer Comms is also another good voip that also allows for group creation without the need to purchase/run a server.

[Thete]

While there is support on Steam for in-game voice, we opted not to use that feature since it would prevent people from gaming with people who were not running through Steam. We thought it was best not to segment the audience. The existing options, such as Teamspeak, Skype, Google Hangouts are all still recommended.

If everyone is running steam in a group, is steam voip available?

[Blacky]

Existing FG users can now "Activate a Product on Steam..." and enter their existing Full, Ultimate or Ultimate Upgrade Key to have Steam recognize that they own the product.
Question: if we do this, what are the rights of Steam on our FG installation? Can it delete or edit any files within it without our consent?

And a note about pricing: FG full is currently under 29€ in the SmiteWorks store, it's at 37€ on Steam.

[damned]

And a note about pricing: FG full is currently under 29€ in the SmiteWorks store, it's at 37€ on Steam.

I think in € you will always be better off buying here. in $ it makes no difference.

[ddavison]

For Windows users, the Steam version installs a shell into the paths managed by Steam and this in turn downloads and installs FG into a location outside of Steam's control if it doesn't already exist at that location. If you Delete all Local Content from Steam, it will delete and remove the Shell application.

For Mac users, it installs a wrapper including FG and Wine into the Steam controlled folder. Deleting all local content from within Steam's interface will remove your FG files. There is no shell in this case.

[Blacky]

Thanks.